North - South

[Hrothgar]

Topsy turvy

OK I see what I did wrong!

@ Ernst, you are just so desperate guy and i am not sure any more if you are aware of your desperation or not.

If you stood in the centre of the north pole let's say at July 1th and if you tried to observe motion of the Sun, what would you see ? You couldn't see (according HC theory) any circular motion of the Sun, the Sun would stand still regarding Earth's supposed rotation, but what would happen with the apparent motion of the Sun regarding Earth's orbital motion (108 000 km/h)??? Nothing? 108 000 km per hour certainly is not nothing! Even Ernst can't overlook that fact, can you?


Cikljamas doesn't lie, Cikljamas arguments are valid and irrefutable!

Conclusion:

The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

http://www.telescope.org/nuffield/pas/earth/e5-2.gif note that round earth spins like a top and circles around the sun at the same time.in July the +23.5 degree angle puts the north pole in the clear path of sunlight you idiot. If you would spend 20 bucks and an hour of your time on props maybe you wouldn't prove yourself to be a tool on every post.

Now, WHO CAN THEY MARRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cikljamas]

@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself, you would make a big favor to the world...

@ Aaron, i wonder how long are you going to tolerate this kind of trolling, spamming, roughly insulting other people, etc... before you decide to restrict access to this thread to certain kind of obviously terribly sick people?

Thanks!

[admin]

@All

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[cikljamas]

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@All, keep your posts respectful. We have already deleted some offensive posts that are off topic by multiple members.

If this request is not honored, we will delete posts and then ultimately close the thread if that does not work.

My expectations are in accordance with very essence of your words!!!

@ Admin, thank you very much for your response!

Members Hrothgar and TheoriaAphophasis are just not welcome to this thread any more. Their contribution to this thread is equal to zero, so that they shouldn't have come by to this thread in the first place, and everything would have been perfectly O.K. Since they did what they did, now they have to stay away from this thread and everything is going to be O.K. again, as it was before they came here with one and only purpose: to make troubles by heaping insult upon insult towards their oponent who overpowered them in any imaginable intellectual way...

The truth will prevail!!!

@ Admin, thank you very much, once again!

[TheoriaApophasis]

@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself,
Thanks!

that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

[Hrothgar]

again topsy turvy

@ Hrothgar, why don't you just kill yourself, you would make a big favor to the world...

@ Aaron, i wonder how long are you going to tolerate this kind of trolling, spamming, roughly insulting other people, etc... before you decide to restrict access to this thread to certain kind of obviously terribly sick people?

Thanks!

While I am sure that you had the candor to ask yourself before you posted (as I often do) WWJDW "Who Would Jesus Death Wish." Unlike you I've never been able to come up with an acceptable instance to do so. I simply hope that I can inspire individuals that I encounter to expand their point of view.

That said, you violate one of the very restrictions in the same post, calling to the mediator that you want in-forced by wishing me dead ie "suggesting" that I take my own life. Going further down the rabbit hole you, in the very sentence to the mediator describe us "obviously terribly sick people"

You state "The truth will prevail!!!" and you have made it known on more than one occasion that you base your belief on biblical sources. That said, is it even appropriate that this thread is in an energy forum? Would this not be more your territory if it were in the Psychic & Paranormal or General Discussion forums? After all those forums may be more open to your style of factual substitution. In fact you might find a substantial increase of supporters in those forums as there would be no need of the standard hassles of repeatable or verifiable data or scientific process. I am sorry you couldn't be bothered to answer my simple question that once answered could help keep thousands on the path to truth.

[aljhoa]

"suggesting" that I take my own life.

Queen - Don't Try Suicide (LYRICS/HQ) - YouTube


Al

[Hrothgar]

Aww, Thanks for caring

Queen - Don't Try Suicide (LYRICS/HQ) - YouTube


Al

thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/

[cikljamas]

that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

I didn't mean literally, of course, what i really meant was: could you please stay away from this thread at least now after you refused to answer to the very same appeal that i have been repeating to you from the very first moment you (Flat Fish) and he (Hrothgar) came here with one and only mission: to provoke and harass members of this forum who are willing to stick to the subject of this thread?

Even now, after Admin's appeal to you, you still refuse to stay away from this thread, and that pretty much says it all. How "kind" of you.

You are not just incorrigible liars, you are either very evil persons, or utterly insane guys. Whether you are evil or just insane i can't help you, so once again: Would you be so kind and stay away from this thread??? Is it so hard for you to answer this simple and honest appeal?

Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth, all that you can do to ease your anger is to continue to provoke and harass all those who don't agree with your false heliocentric religion.

It is obvious what drives you and what is your motivation. Just leave this thread and it's sincere participants alone, just go, and don't came back any more!

Even a poo flinging chimp would understand and willingly answer to this appeal, isn't it shame for you to be intelectually lower than a retarded flinging chimp?

[Ernst]

cikljamas, I must admit that I interpreted your post about Sun-Earth-stars movement in a slightly different manner. But, having said that, you are still a liar.
There may be things that you do not understand, misinterpret, or simply do not know, but I have found a couple of occasions now, where you clearly understand a fact using it in an attempt to support your cause, and denying it when it undermines your cause. That is lying, knowingly present a distorted view of reality, and that is what you are doing.

I'll explain the Sun-Earth-stars movement issue, just to support your "monument of truth".
The Earth moves around the Sun (360 deg) in 365.2524 days, and around its axis (360 deg) in 1 day; the difference being 1/365.2425. Taken on a daily basis that amounts to 24 hours / 365.2425 = 3.942586 minutes. So the apparent movement of the Sun causes a delay of 3.942586 minutes with respect to the stars (that the Earth does NOT circle around).
No magic here.
Next, according to Keppler both the Earth's angular speed and the orbital velocity are not constant over a year. Both are higher (faster) when the Earth is nearer to the Sun. Thus the 3.942586 minutes are an average of a slightly varying difference. The variation however is very small.
Again, no magic.
Any, that is correct, ANY translatory movement of the Earth affects the 'virtual' location of the stars. The yearly parallax is the most well known and causes virtual movements of the stars in the order of a few micro seconds of an arc (remember?). What you are saying is that this minute movement is not a constant (sinusoid) movement, and you are right; it obviously isn't. But how are you going to verify this velocity of a few micro seconds of an arc per half a year? You KNOW it can not be done, you are not fooling anyone.

As you are so anxious to get rid of opposing thoughts in your thread, I will go too. I should have done so earlier but for a moment I really thought you were honestly trying to find the truth. You are not. You are using this ludicrous idea mainly to get attention and if you could "convert" someone that would be a huge bonus. Look at the score: you have to talk to yourself in order to get any "support" at all.

I have added quite a bit of info to your "monument of truth" which you have not yet answered to. So have a few others, including Hrothgar, whether you like it or not.
I will give you one more for the road:
Since you are so good with timetables from airliners, check this:
1 - flight time/distance Darwin-Melbourne (4:15)
2 - flight time/distance Brisbane-Perth (5:55)
Try to match that data with your flat Earth map.

Enjoy your thread.

Ernst.

[TheoriaApophasis]

Since you have no arguments whatsoever, and you hate the truth

Yes, I have no proof the Earth is a sphere and not really a flat pancake.





This is one funny thread indeed

[Hrothgar]

Formal apology

Sir, I formally apologize for my comments in post #466 I should have read the statement thoroughly. I have inserted the relevant response, Good day sir.

[cikljamas]

@ Ernst, you are the most immoral liar and a coward that i have ever met (or heard of) in my whole life, you should candidate for the director of CIA.

Should i cry or should i laugh? Reading your last post was like watching the best moments of the "One flew over the cuckoo's nest" movie....

Too much beer doesn't do much good to you, didn't you know that when you drink so much you don't become any smarter, just drunker. How come you haven't built that kind of awareness up until now?

Let's get to the point:

Alleged rotational velocity of the Earth:

At North Pole = 0
At Oslo = 834 km/h
On the Equator = 1670 km/h

Alleged orbital velocity of the Earth = 108 000 km/h

Since the Earth (allegedly) rotates in the same direction in which she (allegedly) revolves around the Sun, greater orbital velocity means slower apparent motion of the Sun across the sky.

At North Pole we would observe great apparent motion of the Sun IN STRAIGHT LINE- EXCLUSIVELY (from RIGHT to LEFT)

At latitudes of Oslo we would witness moderate (speed) apparent (circular) motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO ROTATIONAL VELOCITY. GREAT APPARENT MOTION OF THE SUN DUE TO EARTH'S ALLEGED ORBITAL MOTION WOULD BE SOMEWHAT NEUTRALIZED (OPTICAL EFFECT DUE REVOLUTION WOULD BE OVERPOWERED BY ROTATION OF THE EARTH) TO CERTAIN EXTENT WITH RESPECT TO THE OBSERVATIONAL POINT AT NORTH POLE.

On the Equator we should be able to observe TWICE faster (than at the latitudes of Oslo) apparent motion of the Sun (from RIGHT TO LEFT) DUE TO GREATER ROTATIONAL VELOCITY OF THE EARTH (then at the latitudes of Oslo).

BUT, IN ADDITION TO ABOVE DIFFERENCIES DUE TO DIFFERENT ROTATIONAL VELOCITIES (AT OSLO AND ON THE EQUATOR), WE WOULD HAVE COUNTER EFFECT AT BOTH LATITUDES DUE TO DIFFERENT (SEASONAL) ORBITAL VELOCITIES:

Due to alleged faster orbital motion of the Earth in winter (north "hemisphere") we would observe slower apparent motion of the Sun and vice versa, in summer (north "hemisphere) we would observe faster apparent motion of the Sun which would be contrary to what we can constantly observe in the sky.

At the North Pole we would observe much SLOWER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (from right to left) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun (in July), and at the South Pole we would observe much FASTER apparent motion (IN STRAIGHT LINE (FROM LEFT TO RIGHT) EXCLUSIVELY) of the Sun in January!!!

BTW, IN WHAT DIRECTION YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT, LET'S SAY IN AUSTRALIA IN ORDER TO SEE SUN RISING FROM THE EAST???


As for the motion of the stars:

24 (hours) * 60 (minutes) = 1440 minutes
360 (degrees) / 1440 = 0,25 (degrees)
Daily orbital motion ( speed) of the stars = 0,25 degrees per minute = 15 degrees per hour

360/365 = (0.986 degrees)
Annual orbital motion (speed) of the stars = 0.986 degrees per day

IT is found by observation that the stars come to the meridian about four minutes earlier every twenty-four hours than the sun, taking the solar time as the standard.


The Sun's ("apparent") daily motion across the sky IS NOT a constant!!! Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!!

Annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS a constant!!! So, annual motion of all the stars above the Earth IS possible to observe. (in one way or another, doesn't really matter) Ernst, don't lie, shame on you!!![/quote]

If the Earth could speak, what do you think she would say to you?

GET OFF ME!

So long as our Astronomers are abetted by the Government, so long I fear, they will utter their discordant notes, and flaunt their rags of false science before the gaping multitude with a pride "that might make angels weep"!!!

[aljhoa]

thanks for caring.

Here is his motivation http://www.energeticforum.com/z/cikljamas/

Here is useful "divide and conquer" psychopath in "pee-jamas" receiving his remuneration.

Al

[cikljamas]

Al, where do you keep your brain, in the hydrocloric acid?

Look at me Al, look how strong and skilled i am: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubQ0id2FvCo

Croatian president plays Pinokio-Heliocentric instrument just for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruYCl0cJ2wU

Our president is a great composer also, just listen one of his insane composition : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS7ZuH6dQ88

Here is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0oOwPNO8jY

Regarding your state of mind i am sure you are going to like them...

Al, stand still, president Clinton is speaking