North - South

[TheoriaApophasis]

I merely posted a pic from your Flat Earth Society




explain this from your "certificate"

"those who strive to be man and woman"



what the heck does this nonsense statement mean in the Flat earth society "certificate" ??????






And what does the nonsense mean "Australians hang head down" ? ROFL

[aljhoa]

https://twitter.com/laurenfosternyc/...583552/photo/1



The above Star-Trails showing the South Pole are from Cape Town,
Master @cikljamas do you agree?


Al

[TheoriaApophasis]

Al

Hey, ask him about TOILETS FLUSHING counter clockwise in the land of OZZ (australia)

[Hrothgar]

Oh by the by..

Don't forget that earths weather patterns and ocean currents amount to a huge stirling engine, speeding it up to proccess those few degrees your talking about.

[TheoriaApophasis]

He still hasnt explained how you can go "OVER THE EDGE" of this flat earth




Or, is it like going round the edge of a BOWL?

[Hrothgar]

I don't think so...

It may be like a huge snow globe you just walk face first into the glass.

[TheoriaApophasis]

It may be like a huge snow globe you just walk face first into the glass.

I see, yes, that must be it.

[ethan]

TA, Ernst, Hrothgar

A flat earth defines cikljamas's religion.
He will always believe the earth is flat. Even if he were flown into space and shown the round earth, he would probably swear its a hallucination.

This thread indicates how dangerous religion can be.
He has already wished TA was dead and buried, because TA disagrees with him.
Similar to Islamic terrorist's who kill people while quoting scripture from the Koran.

Its scary what Faith can do to people.

[TheoriaApophasis]

He has already wished TA was dead and buried, because TA disagrees with him..

I missed that "kind" comment.

I believe you its "there" somewhere.

Its scary what Faith can do to people.

Its not FAITH, its secularized metaphysics (i.e. religion).

Faith is not at fault, rather agnosis and 'herd' mentalities. (again, religion).

That however doesnt make Atheism noble. Some of the MOST demented and vile filth Ive run across are self-proclaimed atheists.



There are two modalities of faith, founded and groundless (twaddle)

You have faith the sun will rise in the morning, conviction in same, just as those with immense wisdom have insight into things utterly foreign and unknown to others.

Its the "because i was told so" etc etc religious twaddle (called puthujjana [fools] 'faith' [saddha]) that is at issue.




Flat earth nonsense is TAME compared the filth of Scientology and other twisted insanities.


It takes a lot (of stupidity) to sell a "religion" on someone based upon L Ron Hubbard who ADMITTED he created the religion as a tax dodge.

[Ernst]

Run, Ernst, run!!!

While you run, do whatever is necessary to forget these arguments, because it is so obvious that the truth is very painful to you too

Now, come on, cikljamas. Didn't you yourself say there was no basis for a serious discussion? Why cling on to it, then?
Let me explain why I agree on that point:
Most arguments that you and your friend come up with are based on misinterpretation of observations coming from misunderstanding of spherical projections. I told you before I can easily refute all the "irrefutable evidence" that you have come up with, and I have already given you conclusive evidence for a spherical rotating Earth.
The problems that I see is this:
1 - your mathematical insight is way insufficient for an efficient (dis)proof, so it is going to take weeks, maybe months, of sending messages back and forth
2 - whatever argument I have, first you will
a - call it mumbo jumbo (meaning "I don't understand"),
b - not seriously consider it nor try to understand (as in the Foucault example),
and when you do understand you will
c - call it 3rd rate evidence weighing less than your 1st rate evidence,
d - ignore it as in the full moon rising, new moon setting example.
3 - when you DO see the mistakes that your friend Voliva has made, you discard it but you do not see the hole it leaves in your theory.

no experiment in all physics has ever demonstrated that the World moves around the Sun, or that it rotates on an axis.

Well, yes, actually I just showed you the Foucault experiment which DOES. 3rd rate or not, your statement is not true.

Do you see my point?

So yes, while walking away from this pointless discussion, I will forget your arguments simply because to me they are silly. I don't have to do anything to forget them, they will just fall out of my memories by reason of being incompatible with intelligence.
It is like you telling me that the sky is red, while I just have to look up and see a blue sky. Should I remember your red-sky stories? Would that be painful??? Is there any truth in it, or other value that I'd be missing? I don't think so, cikljamas. Really, I don't!

Why don't you just accept the fact that I am not going to wrestle with you on this issue?
Or is it that you have chosen this theory so that you HAVE something to wrestle about?

Ernst.

[Hrothgar]

Don't worry too much...

TA, Ernst, Hrothgar

A flat earth defines cikljamas's religion.
He will always believe the earth is flat. Even if he were flown into space and shown the round earth, he would probably swear its a hallucination.

This thread indicates how dangerous religion can be.
He has already wished TA was dead and buried, because TA disagrees with him.
Similar to Islamic terrorist's who kill people while quoting scripture from the Koran.

Its scary what Faith can do to people.

with as many condescending ROFL's that TA throws out it's only natural that even Gandhi's ghost wants to kick him in the balls. Besides I doubt his splinter cell is technical enough to track us down.

[TheoriaApophasis]

with as many condescending ROFL's that TA throws out it's only natural that even Gandhi's ghost wants to kick him in the balls. Besides I doubt his splinter cell is technical enough to track us down.

I will not apologize for loving a good chuckle.

......and certainly I fear nobody nor their 'wraith'



Even saying "flat earth" is chuckle-worthy on almost any level.



What did you do today?


Ohh, I was having a rib talking to this person advocating for flat earth.


Really? Surely such insanity still doesnt exist? Does it?


Oh yeah, it does.

[Hrothgar]

muddled

I missed that "kind" comment.

I believe you its "there" somewhere.



Its not FAITH, its secularized metaphysics (i.e. religion).

Faith is not at fault, rather agnosis and 'herd' mentalities. (again, religion).

That however doesnt make Atheism noble. Some of the MOST demented and vile filth Ive run across are self-proclaimed atheists.



There are two modalities of faith, founded and groundless (twaddle)

You have faith the sun will rise in the morning, conviction in same, just as those with immense wisdom have insight into things utterly foreign and unknown to others.

Its the "because i was told so" etc etc religious twaddle (called puthujjana [fools] 'faith' [saddha]) that is at issue.




Flat earth nonsense is TAME compared the filth of Scientology and other twisted insanities.


It takes a lot (of stupidity) to sell a "religion" on someone based upon L Ron Hubbard who ADMITTED he created the religion as a tax dodge.

Your classification for faith and religion is muddled. Faith is is proof of things unseen.

The goal of spiritualism is to reach enlightenment it is a long road of observation, introspection to finally expand ones consciousness to the divine.

Religion is a paint by number kit you can tell what it is supposed to be like but its never pretty.

Faith is what you need to be suckered into "seeing" how beautiful it is.

[TheoriaApophasis]

Your classification for faith and religion is muddled. Faith is is proof of things unseen.

Your comprehension of the hardcore definition of faith is muddled actually.

There is grounded faith
and groundless faith


This is the ancient Greek differentiation

and likewise the ancient Vedic differentiation


as usual, you confuse CONNOTATION with DENOTATION.


Your faith of the sun rising tomorrow is a conviction based upon knowledge.

Other such grounded faith is based in wisdom or other dialectic mediums of comprehension.

The goal of spiritualism is to reach enlightenment it is a long road of observation, introspection to finally expand ones consciousness to the divine.

You mean metaphysics, .....spiritualism is a pseudo-christian movement based upon specters and the pseudo-paranormal (bad term actually).


you mean bring the mind (nous) into synthesis, epistrophe with the Agathon (divine).

empirical consciousness (vinnana, namorupa) is not to be confused with mind/spirit (citta, nous, tchet).

Empirical observation (sanna) has no part nor parcel to Epistophe (samadhi, synthesis) , or the wisdom to which you incorrectly allude.

Religion is a paint by number kit you can tell what it is supposed to be like but its never pretty.

religion is secularized metaphysics for the common (and mentally inept) populace.



any attempt to debate hardcore philosophy or metaphysical principles is not your best "ploy"


Nearly 100% of all those who, later in life of their own independent and free will, came to a new religion, or to religion for the first time have gravitated to that very same faith via personal convictions and/or personal likes/dislikes; this error is grand and only borne of ignorances. A true Platonic truth seeker does not gravitate towards religious beliefs or dogmas because those same religious systems are personally attractive, but rather, thru logical and abductive examination. A certain position is reflective of what is true as a model for totality and the furthest position from absolute absurdity (such as Creationist views of a sentient being as the Absolute, or the other extreme, Nihilism/Atheism).

One undeniable fact of the cosmos is its incredibly complexity, both biological and inanimate; the only contention lies, amongst all religions and non-religious materialistic views, is the nexus for this limitless complexity. While the creationist illogically posits a divine and sentient hand at the helm of said creation, the nihilist/atheist in equal ignorance posits random happenstance for its appearance. With the countless plethora of ‘faiths’ (blind), and religions which lie at either end of antinomy's spectrum, and in between these extremes, humans window-shop for that faith which many admit ‘suits them best’, or ‘rings personally true’, or which ‘appeals to them’. Wisdom never plays any part in that which they call their own (view/faith/belief), nor examination. The self-reinforcing delusion of mankind’s religions is not one based in truth or wisdom, but in comfort, or respect that it is the inheritance of their parents and forefathers, or some other likewise illegitimate reason.

The genuine truth-seeking Platonist, be he an Indian Advaita-Vedanta Monist, or a Neoplatonist is equally pleased if he is proven wrong, either by the wits and wisdom of another in refutation & debate, or by his own hands thru the expansion of wisdom, for both ends only serves to bring this truth-seeker closer the truth. Either self-refutation or an increase in wisdom brings one closer the truth and the true wisdom seeker desires this above all else.

Those ignorant, the common and profane manyfolk, will cleave with their hearts and souls to untruths, which many times they themselves know to be untrue, but for no other reason that “they were born into this faith/belief”, or an equally ignorant sentimentalism. Close-minded religiosity is based in a comfort, a delusion which is hard to break and enforced by ignorances which are never countered or eliminated in the life of the profane manyfolk. Pythagoras, Plato, Plotinus, Gotama, authors of the Upanishads, and few others were genuine truth seekers the wise emulated with all their being. Wisdom cannot be handed to another via book or word, but the insight which only comes from an unquenchable desire for wisdom and uncovering the truth of genuine being which lies under and above the façade of empirical being, this consubstantial puppet fashioned in the winds of time and which is rented but for a while and is lost again in the winds of time.

The disobjectification (synthesis, epistrophe, samadhi, assimilation) which culminates in liberation self-granted by the sage who bears wisdom is something far far more rare than any could imagine in this land of lemmings who use and cleave to false religions which brings only placebo comforts to those same profane and common manyfolk who are the zombies of samsara, the walking dead in the land of the Subjective light which is never seen by those same whose will is always directed into the dark of the objective and temporal world of flux and reflux.

[cikljamas]

This thread indicates how dangerous religion can be.
He has already wished TA was dead and buried, because TA disagrees with him.
Similar to Islamic terrorist's who kill people while quoting scripture from the Koran.

Its scary what Faith can do to people.

How many times i have to repeat that the atheism is the only one religion which is able to compete with Al Qaeda - ISIL fanaticism, what is even more tragic is the fact that atheistic-immoral fanatics from the CIA are those guys who created these bastards (ISIL scum) and they still use them for killing and mutilation of innocent people.

Do you see my point?

Ernst.

You know Ernst, given your ability of reasonable thinking i could say that you are the only one person who came by to this thread (beside/after Saros) so far, with who i could seriously discuss, but what is so terribly ironic and tragic is your relentless readiness to absolutely distort facts, and to "scientifically" forge whole reality. Thus you are perfect example of typical contemporary - utterly immoral scientist!

I have presented you whole bunch of very simple and very irrefutable evidence, but the simplicity and obviousness of these simple arguments is what makes you (and your immoral friends) so nervous for numerous reasons. Which one among numerous reasons is the one that piss you off the most? Share your thoughts with me Ernst and repent.


When he prepared the heavens I was there; when he decreed a circle upon the face of the watery deep NWT

When He prepared the heavens, I was there; when He set a circle upon the face of the deep MKJV

When he made ready the heavens I was there: when he put an arch over the face of the deep BBE

When he fixed the Heavens firm, I was there, when he drew a circle on the surface of the deep” JB

I was there when he set the sky in place, when he stretched the horizon across the ocean GNB

When he prepared the Heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth KJV

When he established the Heavens, I was there,when he drew a circle on the face of the deep RSV


The visions of my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw, and behold, a tree in the midst of the Earth; and its height was great. The tree grew and became strong, and its top reached to Heaven, and it was visible to the end of the whole Earth RSV / KJV

The visions that passed through my head as I lay in bed were these: I saw a tree in the middle of the World; it was very tall. The tree grew taller and stronger, until its top reached the sky and it could be seen from the very ends of the Earth JB

Now the visions of my head upon my bed I happened to be beholding, and,look! a tree in the midst of the Earth, the height of which was immense. The tree grew up and became strong, and its very height finally reached the Heavens, and it was visible to the extremity of the whole Earth. NWT