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**cikljamas** · 10-08-2014, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by Ernst View Post

Please let me know, I can use some extra cash!

Ernst.

So you do it for free? You want me to believe that you are stupid after all? Well, since i can't exclude this possibility with absolute certainty, i will keep in mind that option also! But it would be much more constructive if you began to admit obviousness of self-evident facts, by doing this you would do a noble work, and you wouldn't have to sacrifice too much pride (i suppose), and guess who would benefit from your acknowledgement of obvious facts?

The answer is: Al

Don't you see how he became desperate?

If no action is taken he will completely freak out...

**cikljamas** · 10-08-2014, 08:11 PM

@ Saros, this is for you:

In " Chambers' Information for the People," section on Physical Geography, page 513, the following occurs:

"In North America, the basin or drainage of the Mississippi is estimated at 1.3oo.ooo square miles, and that of the St. Lawrened at 600,000; while northward of the 50th parallel, extends an inhospitable FLAT of perhaps greater dimensions. . . . Next in order of importance is that section of Europe extending from the German Sea, through Prussia. Poland, and Russia, towards the Ural Mountains, presenting indifferently tracts of heath, sand and open pasture, and regarded by geographers as ONE VAST PLANE. So flat is the general profile of the region, that It has been remarked, IT IS POSSIBLE TO DRAW A LINE FROM LONDON TO MOSCOW, WHICH WOULD NOT PERCEPTIBLY VARY FROM A DEAD LEVEL."

The foregoing is a London-to-Moscow proof that the surface of the world is not globular.

From the "Atlas of Physical Geography," by the Rev. T.Milner, M.A., I extract the following:

" Vast areas exhibit a perfectly dead level, scarcely a rise existing through 1,500 miles from the Carpathians to the Urals, South of the Baltic the country is so flat that a prevailing north wind will drive the waters of the Stattiner Haf into the mouth of the Oder, and give the river a backward flow 30 or 40 miles."

"The plains of Venezuela and New Granada, in South America, chiefiy on the left of the Orinoco, are termed llanos, or level fields. Often in the space of 270 square miles THE SURFACE DOES NOT VARY A SINGLE FOOT."

"The Amazon only falls 12 feet in the last 700 miles of its course; the La Plata has only a descent of one thirty-third of an inch a mile,"

These extracts clearly prove that the surface of the earth is a level surface, and that, therefore, the world is not a globe. And when we come to consider the surface of the world under the sea, we shall find the same unformity of evidence against the popular view. In " Nature and Man," by Professor W. B. Carpenter, article " The Deep Sea and its Contents," pages 320 and 321, the writer says :

"Nothing seems to have struck the "Challenger" surveyors more than the extraordinary FLATNESS (except in the neighbourhood of land) of that depressed portion of the earth's crust which forms the FLOOR OF THE GREAT OCEANIC AREA. . . . If the bottom of mid-ocean were laid dry, an observer standing on any spot of it would Jind himself surrounded BY A PLAIN, only comparable to that of the North American prairies or the South American pampas The form of the depressed area which lodges the water of the deep ocean is rather, indeed, to be likened to that of a FLAT WAITER or TEA TRAY, surrounded bj- an elevated and deeply -sloping rim, than to that of the basin with which it is commonly compared."

This remarkable writer tells of thousand.s of miles, in the Atlantic, the Pacific, and the great Southern Ocean beds being a plane surface, and from his remarks it is clear that A FLAT SURFACE IS THE GENERAL CONTOUR OF THE BED OF THE GREAT OCEANS FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SQUARE MILES.

Kansas Is Flatter Than a Pancake - Kansas�s flatness is approximately 0.9997. That degree of flatness might be described, mathematically, as �damn flat.�

View from Everest

And now something (not quite) completely different: Teaching Satanism in schools sounds like the stuff of horror movies. But a US court ruling on religious freedoms, has enabled devil worshippers in Florida to hand out educational material about their beliefs - to kids at state schools. Marina Portnaya reports.

**aljhoa** · 10-09-2014, 03:43 AM

Originally posted by cikljamas View Post

Don't you see how he became desperate?

Nina, maybe this could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

Al

**aljhoa** · 10-15-2014, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by cikljamas View Post

Now, why don't you explain to us your parallel rays theory?

Maybe because you are full of titbit garbage arguments?

Date------Replies--Views
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This thread had 630 views in 6 days.

The following 3-pictures show the illusive "Shadow Moon".

Al

**cikljamas** · 10-16-2014, 11:43 AM

Hi All, just a little reminder for Al and for all other faithful readers of our monumental thread:

The fact that water is flat like a sheet of paper (when undisturbed by wind and tide) is my " working anchor," and the powerful " ground tackle " of all those who reject the delusions of modern theoretical astronomy. Prove water to be convex, and we will at once and forever recant and grant you anything you like to demand.

With the eye at water level at one angle and the sun at water level at the other, the line joining them is the base of the triangle � a straight line, of which we have already heard so much. But if water be convex, when the height of eye is deducted and the observation reduced to the datum line� the sea, then the eye and the sun are both at the surface of the convex water, consequently the base of the triangle is the arc of the circle between the two points, and another allowance must be made to reduce this arc of a circle to a straight line, in order to determine the true angle of the plane triangle. That this is not only never done, but that no work on Navigation ever published makes the slightest reference to the need for such a correction, and that all triangulation in Navigation is plane, proves incontestably that the surface of the ocean is a plane surface.

If the earth be the globe of popular belief, the rules observed for navigating a vessel from one part of this globe to another, must be in conformity to its figure. The datum line in navigation would be an arc of a circle, and all computations would be based on the convexity of water and worked out by spherical trigonometry. At sea the datum line is always a horizontal line ; spherical trigonometry is never used, and not one out of one thousand ship masters understands spherical trigonometry.

The base of any triangle on a globe would be an arc of a circle, of which the centre would be the centre of the globe. Thus, instead of a PLANE triangle, the figure would contain one plane angle and two spherical angles. Hence, if the PLANE TRIANGLE is what we have to deal with, and such is the case, the base of the triangle would be a straight line � the ocean. That all triangulation used at sea is PLANE, PROVES THAT THE SEA IS A PLANE.

From Mr. -Young, the mathematician, we ascend to Professor Evers, Doctor of Laws, surely he we'll be able to enlighten us. In his " Navigation in Theory and Practice," page 56, he tells us that :

"PLANE SAILING is sailing a ship, or making the arithmelical calculations for so doing, on the assumption that THE EARTH IS PERFECTLY FLAT It is not a strictly correct supposition to take any part whatever of the earth's surface as a plane ; yet when the vessel goes on SHORT VOAYAGES, the results obtained by plane will be sufficiently correct to serve every useful purpose...ALTHOUGH IN PRACTICE SCARCELY ANY OTHER RULES ARE USED BUT THOSE DERIVED FROM PLANE SAILING....The great and serious objection to Plane Sailing is that longitude cannot be found by it ACCURATELY, ALTHOUGH IN PRACTICE IT IS MORE FREQUENTLY FOUND BY IT THAN BY ANY OTHER METHOD."

Now let us enquire how long the "SHORT VOAYAGE" may be, to have "a plane surface all the way."

In December, 1897, I met Captain Slocum on board the " Spray " This navigator told me that he had sailed his little craft 33,ooo miles by plane sailing. Rather a LONG voyage, it must be admitted. A PLANE or LEVEL SURFACE for 33,000 miles, and yet the world a globe ?

Let it be put on lasting record that " in practice scarcely any other rules are used but those derived from plane sailing;" and that although "the great and serious objection' to plane sailing ii that longitude cannot be found by it accurately," yet "IN PRACTICE IT IS MORE FREQUENTLY FOUND BY IT THAN BY ANY OTHER METHOD."

"Bergen's Navigation and Nautical Astronomy," 1st app., page 4, states :

"If the course and distance which a ship has sailed on the globe be given, the difference of latitude and departure may be found by the resolution of a right-angled plane triangle."

We have before seen that " a right-angled-plane-triangle" on a globular surface is impossible. So there is no need to comment on Captain Bergen's statement.

In " Navigation," by D. Wilson Barker, R.N.R,, F.R.S.E., and W. Allinghara, Plane Sailing is dealt with on page 29 as follows :

"We may now assume as an axiom that the shape of the earth somewhat resembles that of an orange. At one time people thought differently, but no sane person today would venture to assert that our planet is merely an extended plane. Still we shall not be far out IF WE IMAGINE that the small portion of the earth's surface with which we are concerned in Plane Sailing is ACTUALLY A PLANE. Hence, in Plane Sailing, regarding the small portion of the ocean with which we have to deal AS A FLAT SURFACE LIKE A SHEET OF PAPER, we have always A RIGHT ANGLED PLANE TRIANGLE TO WORK WITH."

These learned gentlemen say that no sane person to-day would venture to assert that OUR PLANET is merely an extended plane ; and yet they ask the reader to admit their sanity when they furnish data which prove the world to be a plane! Wonderful learning and profound philosophy that fit a plane triangle on to a spherical surface. Surely A GLOBE with a FLAT SURFACE LIKE A SHEET OF PAPER is a new figure

, not found in Euclid or any of the works that deal with triangulation. We may well challenge the advocates of the globular theory to produce their globe with its plane or level surface like a sheet of paper, and be certain of their failure.

The spectre called " our planet " only requires to be planed (just a little levelling) to reduce its surface to a plane ; and before we have finished the process the plane will be very PLAIN indeed!

Al, thanks for being a faithful follower of our monumental thread! And my THANKS goes for All, not just for Al...

**aljhoa** · 10-16-2014, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by aljhoa View Post

Lunar eclipse - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Solar eclipse of May 20, 2012 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Master @cikljamas,
if both moon and sun like you "run in circles" and
the flat earth is below their path,
what miracles are lunar and solar eclipses?

Al

**Ernst** · 10-17-2014, 01:18 AM

Al,
you should modify your animation of the Sun and the Moon travelling over the Earth.
In this animation the Sun travels over the equator, while (at the equator) the daytime is only half the nighttime.
In other words: 8 hours light + 16 hours dark. Can you modify the animation so that it is 12 hours light and 12 hours dark? That would be very helpful to our understanding.

Also, Australia in this animation has only 6 hours of light against 18 hours of darkness. While the Sun travels over the equator, I think that should be 12-12 as well.
(I know nobody cares about the aussies, but they are still there...)

Ernst

**cikljamas** · 10-17-2014, 01:02 PM

How do you like this argument:

The visual obstacle from Tunguska measures 7463 km; we are told that the rays of light from the Sun (and it was morning over Siberia on June 30, at 7:20 am) cannot reach, for example, London, at the same time, due to the curvature; then NOTHING could have been observed/seen from Tunguska as well on a globe; an explosion on one side of a globe could not possibly influence in any way visual observations on the other side of the same globe; the visual range limit for the Tunguska explosion, on that cloudless day, is just 400 km.

Newspapers could be read at midnight in London, photographs could be taken outdoors in Stockholm without flash apparatus; no other meteorological/astronomical phenomenon occurred at that time in the world, no such records exist.

That is why this is the very best proof that the surface of the Earth is actually flat.

Many more to come!!! Just sit and watch and enjoy Flat Earth Truth!!!

**aljhoa** · 10-17-2014, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by cikljamas View Post

Just sit and watch and enjoy Flat Earth Truth!!!

Yours or Muslims?

U are TPTB servant dividing the infidels.
Muslims' flat earth amalgamates 1.5 billions of "fidels".
Seems that u r still in pee-jamas.

Al

**cikljamas** · 10-17-2014, 02:51 PM

Al, when are you going to quit heaping stupidity upon stupidity?
Why won't you begin to learn and comprehend facts about the world in which you live, instead of wasting precious time of your valuable life?

Moon's eclipses fascinate you, don't they?
Then start to learn and examine this thread for the beginning:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/f...4892#msg994892

Then watch this video:

Impossible "selenelion" eclipse, Dec 2011

If you are not familiar with a "Selenelion eclipse", it is when a Lunar eclipse is visible while the sun is above the Horizon. It is impossible for this to happen in the heliocentric model, and the explanation given is due to "atmospheric refraction".

Now what I find interesting, is Round-Earth Theory proponents will often resort to "Bendy Light" and "Perspective Distortion" when it comes to anomalies in their models; implying that you are not seeing what you see and are being deceived by your own eyes.

Humans have known for many thousands of years that "dark heavenly bodies" exist and are the likely explanation for these eclipses. Also, keep in mind the moon turns RED when fully eclipsed and does not make any sense if it were caused by a shadow.

And bingo question for you and Ernst:

WHY IS THAT THE SHADOW ON THE MOON IS NOT ALWAYS A GLOBULAR ONE?

**Ernst** · 10-18-2014, 04:06 AM

Bingoooooooooooooo