William F. Skinner - 1939 Gravity Power

[MagnaMoRo]

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I made a new .gif image shown bellow using these 2 images:
http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=4...m=5&size=still
http://images.britishpathe.com/?id=4...m=7&size=still

Here is my .gif image:


This .gif should clear up everything!

The images show that the weight-shafts are attached to rotating-angled-bars. The angle of bend is to the degree that the weight-shafts come up into them. These angled-bars are rotating on shafts that come down through the middle of the side rails of the frame.

2 different shaft positions are shown; when the front and back weight-shafts are leaning almost strait out from the frame and when the front weight-shaft is leaning toward the left-rear-corner of the frame.

It is now apparent that there is no moving cross bar. The illusion of a moving crossbar was caused by the angled-bars moving in and out of the way as they rotate.

Thanks BRITISH PATHÉ!

MagnaMoRo

[MagnaMoRo]

Dudes, Check out Aaron

He is the star of this show boys.

Aaron has explained it so clear.

You simply can not ignore these entries.

Here you go, no excuse.

sorry guys Aaron is still our main man. He did his
homework


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JolNozy8UEY

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...-power-12.html

Hello my fellow Detroiter! I did homework too.
http://www.energeticforum.com/276323-post616.html

[BroMikey]

Dude, that is a terrible picture gif and I am suppose to
delete Aaron full color video showing engineering level
explanations for this trashed out shot? Please, don't tell me.

Not saying that you are not trying, just look again please

MagnaMoRo man is trying, gotta hand you that.

It's okay we all botch our first few entries.

[BroMikey]

How on earth can we get a 2D circular motion out of this diagram?

There is not way. In time you will see the 3D aspects.

Keep looking. Don't stop looking.

Here is clear as day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uyb...ature=youtu.be

[MagnaMoRo]

No way is it linear or elliptical

NO WAY IS IT LINEAR OR ELLIPTICAL



Centered directly under and behind the BIG belt-driven-wheel on top, there is another small-wheel (or sprocket) laying horizontally (you can see another one centered and protruding out on the right side frame-rail). The shaft upon which this small-wheel (or sprocket) is mounted upon comes down through a bearing-housing that is BOLTED TO THE SIDE-RAIL! The shaft continues down through the frame-rail to an angled-bar that HAS TO rotate around the shaft as a center point. An elliptical orbit can not be created because the side-rails upon which the bearing-housings are mounted do not move!

There is no other possible way for the mechanism to function other than in a circular motion!

MagnaMoRo

[BroMikey]

Youtube videos MoRo man Contact Yer local PHD today

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEvf60qU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnl9n4KiaY


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRfKQswJT54

[Aaron]

crossbar oscillation

This .gif should clear up everything!

No, it just proves my point. If you don't see that crossbar oscillating, then I don't believe I can have a serious conversation with you.

[Aaron]

crossbar oscillates

In this image the crossbar is plain as day...



In the other image, the entire crossbar that spans almost the entire diameter of the machine rotated clockwise from a bird's eye view. The crossbar oscillates back and forth.

The other crossbar going to the left and right part of the machine is almost perfectly straight in the same image.

And in the other image, that crossbar rotates in the same direction clockwise from a bird's eye view and is at a slight angle spanning the entire machine showing the whole thing is like a plus sign that oscillates back and forth.

[BroMikey]

Hey Aaron

Have you ever seen this guy? It looks like it comes from the Skinner
design? What about it?

He says and shows an ever increasing amount of weights add to the
system while the input watts remain the same in his 4 videos.

Somewhere between .5-1 watt for as high as 2000 watts of work
equivalent output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEvf60qU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnl9n4KiaY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0AsR126bSI

[Aaron]

not a gravity machine and no energy gain

Hey Aaron

Have you ever seen this guy? It looks like it comes from the Skinner
design? What about it?

He says and shows an ever increasing amount of weights add to the
system while the input watts remain the same in his 4 videos.

Somewhere between .5-1 watt for as high as 2000 watts of work
equivalent output.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEvf60qU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnl9n4KiaY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0AsR126bSI

There is nothing there. Plenty of comments in this thread about it. Almost everything that can be done wrong is being done wrong. Upper shaft circular. Then he ads weights 180 degrees across from each other turning it into a flywheel so that reduces the amount of gravitational potential that can come into the system - doesn't matter anyway because with the circular orbit, the weight stays at the same height.

2000 watt claim - that is over 2.5 hp. There is no way that is demonstrating almost 2.7 hp worth of work. If so, then he should be able to have that weight turn a little generator to more than make up for his small input and have it run itself.

I'm glad he is doing some experiments, but I'm not so sure he understands what he is doing.

[BroMikey]

Thanks Aaron for being so repetitive

This is a kindness and patience to repeat such simple
things over again. I am starting to gain a perspective on
the whole idea.

Yes I agree John is deficient in many areas of mechanics.

When we hear him quote the force and distance formulas

it sound impressive but how much can he get back before

it stalls?

Your comment of circular motion being wrong is duly noted

and the 180 degree comment. I take it on face

value and will continue to observe why this is so, knowing

that you are far more advanced on the subject gives me

some sort of heads up. Now I can look again and wonder

how each device functions with an awareness of your

statements.

That is the best I can do.

According to JOHN the weights are always in a free fall

orbit that is not circular by any means, at least on the

bottom and the top looks to be circular but then again

I don't see this part very clearly.

Could it be that the upper portion is no circular? Looking

more like an elliptical eyeball pattern?

Also it looked like a wobbling machine at the bottom

where the plumbing pipe tee's off.

The lower section wobbles in a non-circular fashion.

I see your video and I know I am miles behind you

so I will expect some sort of directive correction.

I am catching up maybe?

[BroMikey]

Here is a comment

gconol 6 months ago
Patent pending my ass .... this is william Skinner's idea. Stop stealing other people's work.

Oh yeah Aaron I know what i was going to say now.

When JOHN did the 4 video's he showed how only .5 watts-1 watt

was needed to move all of those weights in a wobbling fashion.

I thought it significant that with 4X the weights added that

under 1 watt was needed to move that much mass.

If I hooked a scooter motor up to that much weight traveling

in a circle it would cost me far more than 1 watt. Wouldn't

you agree with that simple assessment?

Sure JOHN is way off on the idea but shouldn't it cost more

than 1 watt?

[MagnaMoRo]

In this image the crossbar is plain as day...



In the other image, the entire crossbar that spans almost the entire diameter of the machine rotated clockwise from a bird's eye view. The crossbar oscillates back and forth.

The other crossbar going to the left and right part of the machine is almost perfectly straight in the same image.

And in the other image, that crossbar rotates in the same direction clockwise from a bird's eye view and is at a slight angle spanning the entire machine showing the whole thing is like a plus sign that oscillates back and forth.

Hello Aaron,

This is what I see:

[BroMikey]

here is a much younger David JOHN

He has been working on Skinners wobble for 38 years Sirs.

The same ole dream of free energy. I will include some fine print

for all of the "Johnny come lately's"



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4p1o1aQgkM





Introduction
The origins of the patent pending John Device began over 38 years ago, and this specific design, 13 years ago. The inventor/discoverer, David W. John, had planned on having the system built by a machine shop and having engineering assistance. After an extended period of unemployment, David finally decided to build the device on his own, with virtually no resources except for support from his parents. The system as shown, therefore, should not be considered the "ultimate" expression of the technology, by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, as described below, it is not only simply a POC (Proof Of Concept) device, but it is a POC of a first generation-type of system that generally won't be used in the real World except as a demonstrator of the technology and idea. (just like it is right now)

Introduction to CVRP Technology by The John Device
CVRP Technology, or Continually Variable Rotating Plane Technology is what allows The John Device to seemingly bend the "laws" of physics, etc. Everyone knows that you can't make usable force/energy/power/whatever from Gravity, because sooner or later, no matter what technique you use or what game you think you're playing, you'll have to "go back uphill." Period. End of discussion. If you're intelligent, you won't even keep talking further. Sorry, but it's been tried for a thousand years by hundreds of thousands of people, many of whom were undoubtedly super-duper geniuses, etc.

As pointed out in various videos, The John Device doesn't move any mass. It moves THE HILL, and the relationship between Mother Earth and the masses/weights (Gravity) causes them to rotate. Stop killing yourself pushing all those weights around... let somebody else who's bigger do that for you. You just need to direct the show... manage the masses, as it were.

By changing (rotating) the plane (the "hill") that the masses/weights are attached to, they constantly try to "fall" to the Earth. As they do so, the plane/hill continues to change, driven by the top motor arrangement. In doing so, the masses/weights turn the torque shaft, endlessly, because they NEVER STOP FALLING.

One of the important considerations is that the generator and/or speed multiplier/reducer is directly connected to the torque shaft. In a "Gravity" only based system, it can be below the system, as constructed on the original John Device, or it could be above the system, as shown in the graphic in the section "GV-1b, GV-1000".

[BroMikey]

Patent Pending

This guy is smart enough to know how to keep his patent alive.

Anyone who claims they are searching for the Skinner effect

needs to acknowledge another mans work who has done it all

for 38 years. We could learn from this guy. I hardly consider him

a beginner.

http://www.thejohndevice.com/TheJohnDeviceBook.pdf


John Device CVRP Technology