Radient Energy & Neons as Indicators

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H All,

I have seen somewhere that a good indicator of radiant energy present in a switched waveform, is that the color changes from the normal orange color to something else.

I would like to know if this can be confirmed.

The reason I ask, is that I have a high speed FET circuit with a neon across it driving an inductor wired in different configurations. In a particular configuration the color of the neon changes from orange to bright purple. Is this an indication that radiant energy is present? or is it just an indication that there is now more energy in the waveform I have across the coil?

As I understand it energy = kc/wavelength where k = planck's constant and c is the speed of light. If the wavelength has decreased, as indicated by the change in color, then either the energy has increased or the speed of light has changed (I am assuming planck's constant IS a constant) ...
(I think the speed of light can change if longitudinal/scalar waves are produced ... which may be the case when radiant energy is produced, ... well according to Prof Myle)

I also understand that a neon plasma emits orange light when the Ne atoms become excited, but if they obtain even more energy and become more exited then they become Ne- ions. Is it the Ne- ions that show as purple? I can see no evidence of this in any literature .. they only talk about orange.

Have I seen something I should investigate?

Cheers,
Bernie

[Ufopolitics]

Yes that is Radiant...

H All,

I have seen somewhere that a good indicator of radiant energy present in a switched waveform, is that the color changes from the normal orange color to something else.

I would like to know if this can be confirmed.

The reason I ask, is that I have a high speed FET circuit with a neon across it driving an inductor wired in different configurations. In a particular configuration the color of the neon changes from orange to bright purple. Is this an indication that radiant energy is present? or is it just an indication that there is now more energy in the waveform I have across the coil?

As I understand it energy = kc/wavelength where k = planck's constant and c is the speed of light. If the wavelength has decreased, as indicated by the change in color, then either the energy has increased or the speed of light has changed (I am assuming planck's constant IS a constant) ...
(I think the speed of light can change if longitudinal/scalar waves are produced ... which may be the case when radiant energy is produced, ... well according to Prof Myle)

I also understand that a neon plasma emits orange light when the Ne atoms become excited, but if they obtain even more energy and become more exited then they become Ne- ions. Is it the Ne- ions that show as purple? I can see no evidence of this in any literature .. they only talk about orange.

Have I seen something I should investigate?

Cheers,
Bernie

Hello Bernie,

You are right in your conclusions...that is Radiant Energy obtained/captured at your Inductor...

If You have the neon installed between Source-Drain...maybe your FET won't last for too long while seeing that light...unless is rated for very high pulsed currents, and its intrinsic diode is also able to stand the power/heat.

Normally you see most of that purple plasma light at very low pulses...or low duty cycles

You take a look at video below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLdSGD18d8

and tell me if it looks like that.

at points you see both, orange and purple...the orange are Hot currents...purple along will not heat up glass bulb from neon.


Regards


Ufopolitics

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Hello Bernie,

You are right in your conclusions...that is Radiant Energy obtained/captured at your Inductor...

If You have the neon installed between Source-Drain...maybe your FET won't last for too long while seeing that light...unless is rated for very high pulsed currents, and its intrinsic diode is also able to stand the power/heat.

Normally you see most of that purple plasma light at very low pulses...or low duty cycles

You take a look at video below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLdSGD18d8

and tell me if it looks like that.

at points you see both, orange and purple...the orange are Hot currents...purple along will not heat up glass bulb from neon.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi There Ufo,

I can not get onto youtube at the moment (just a blank white screen) not sure if it is down at all .. will try on another machine.

I can get pure purple when running in the right mode (no orange at all) but not continuous ... just a 100us flash. However, I have a plan to make it run continuous .... keep tuned.

When I have it running continuous, I need to figure a way to get harness the energy and get it to do some work.

My high speed FET is rated at 600v 20A (300A peak) so I think it may survive. The body diode will only conduct with negative pulses and I only have positive as far as I can tell ... which is important I believe reading Teslas work.

Cheers,
Bernie

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Hello Bernie,

You are right in your conclusions...that is Radiant Energy obtained/captured at your Inductor...

If You have the neon installed between Source-Drain...maybe your FET won't last for too long while seeing that light...unless is rated for very high pulsed currents, and its intrinsic diode is also able to stand the power/heat.

Normally you see most of that purple plasma light at very low pulses...or low duty cycles

You take a look at video below...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLdSGD18d8

and tell me if it looks like that.

at points you see both, orange and purple...the orange are Hot currents...purple along will not heat up glass bulb from neon.


Regards


Ufopolitics

Hi There Ufo,

I had a look at your video .. looks great.

As you say yours has a mixture of colors .. blue/purple/orange/white ... mine is just purple, no orange at all. (unless I am not in the right mode)
I will measure the temperature of the glass to make sure it is cold ..

Cheers,
Bernie

[Ufopolitics]

Pure Purple is rare...

Hi There Ufo,

I can get pure purple when running in the right mode (no orange at all) but not continuous ... just a 100us flash. However, I have a plan to make it run continuous .... keep tuned.

Hello Bernie,

Well, it is rare to have pure bright purple plasma light...so, definitively you have something there worth dissecting and developing...

My high speed FET is rated at 600v 20A (300A peak) so I think it may survive. The body diode will only conduct with negative pulses and I only have positive as far as I can tell ... which is important I believe reading Teslas work.

That's a pretty good FET spec's...and yes, it should survive.
...Negative Electricity...reverse flow...yes..It would be great if you could show just a simple diagram (not details) of connections between FET/INDUCTOR/NEON plus External Diodes if any...I mean, we all know you are using an oscillator to excite Gates.

I had a look at your video .. looks great.
When I have it running continuous, I need to figure a way to get harness the energy and get it to do some work.

Thanks, my question...are you getting the Purple light at low oscillations or higher...or both?
Running it continuous... make sure you have good heat sink attached to FET(s)

As you say yours has a mixture of colors .. blue/purple/orange/white ... mine is just purple, no orange at all. (unless I am not in the right mode)
I will measure the temperature of the glass to make sure it is cold ..

Cheers,
Bernie

That was the problem I had...not obtaining pure purple....and I had it at very low oscillations...whenever I increased pulses ...it will start getting too orange,and purple disappear, plus too bright like seen on video...then Neon will not show purple again...even at low osc.

Is what am saying...you got something rare and worth to be looked at..

Cheers


Ufopolitics

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Hello Bernie,


That's a pretty good FET spec's...and yes, it should survive.
...Negative Electricity...reverse flow...yes..It would be great if you could show just a simple diagram (not details) of connections between FET/INDUCTOR/NEON plus External Diodes if any...I mean, we all know you are using an oscillator to excite Gates.

All I have is my inductor between drain and supply (20v) and the neon is across drain/source. However, I think it is the way I have configured the inductor that is unique .. more details to follow.

Thanks, my question...are you getting the Purple light at low oscillations or higher...or both?
Running it continuous... make sure you have good heat sink attached to FET(s)

I am getting it at 5Khz to anywhere up to 25Khz, it does not seem to matter, as it is only providing the stimulus .. the actual frequency at the inductor is 2Mhz .. very sharp edges, I will have to get the good scope out to measure them properly ..

will update this thread once I have it continuous .. I am running quite a low duty cycle, so the FET should be ok.

Is what am saying...you got something rare and worth to be looked at..

Ufopolitics

EDIT: Had it running continuous for awhile, but it only lasts for awhile, then reverts to orange ...
I have to reverse the polarity of the neon and it works again for awhile .. seems to be some polarizing effect on one of the electrodes that stops it working.

Thanks,
Bernie

[THEminoly]

purple neon

Hi Bernie,
nice thread - I've got the same thing going on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43uvj2aiy8
On two of the coils I'm using paramagnetic cores.
I think I'm going to have a go at pulsing. Thanks for the inspiration. Have you posted any videos?
Patrick

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Hi Bernie,
nice thread - I've got the same thing going on here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-43uvj2aiy8
On two of the coils I'm using paramagnetic cores.
I think I'm going to have a go at pulsing. Thanks for the inspiration. Have you posted any videos?
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

Cool video. I don't have one yet. Couple of questions on your setup:
What do you mean by "paramagnetic" cores and why are you using Al wire instead of Copper? I designed a pulse motor back in 1990 using a hall-effect device as my trigger, and in fact I have a patent on it ... I wonder when Bedini came up with his ..?

Bernie

[THEminoly]

Hi Bernie,
Hall triggered pulse motor patent - cool. Do you have a link to it, I'd be interested in replicating.

Not using a hall w/ this one, but I use them all the time. The Al wire has more resistance than copper, those spools are so small I could not get enough 19awg copper on there to induce the radiant.

My paramagnetic is... the passing magnet pays little to no attention to the material(core) but the electromagnet kicks it's but into action.
here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfYMsTszOEU
I have my 555 pulsing an al coil right now...
Patrick

Hi Patrick,

Cool video. I don't have one yet. Couple of questions on your setup:
What do you mean by "paramagnetic" cores and why are you using Al wire instead of Copper? I designed a pulse motor back in 1990 using a hall-effect device as my trigger, and in fact I have a patent on it ... I wonder when Bedini came up with his ..?

Bernie

[Duncan]

for consideration

I was reminded of this post I generated some time ago ---( still untried )http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post220017 ... best wishes

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Hi Bernie,
Hall triggered pulse motor patent - cool. Do you have a link to it, I'd be interested in replicating.

Patent link here --> http://www.iponz.govt.nz/app/Extra/I...77473118637759

My paramagnetic is... the passing magnet pays little to no attention to the material(core) but the electromagnet kicks it's but into action.

Patrick

What is the core material?
So you have Al winding for the main pulse and on top have a trigger winding made from Cu ??

Cheers,
Bernie

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I was reminded of this post I generated some time ago ---( still untried )http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...tml#post220017 ... best wishes

I tried that circuit and it does not work ..
For a start there is no biasing on the op-amp,(it should be at 1/2 rail) but even with that, I could not see any difference with wave received if the neon was on or off ..

Cheers,
Bernie

[THEminoly]

Patent link here --> http://www.iponz.govt.nz/app/Extra/I...77473118637759



What is the core material?
So you have Al winding for the main pulse and on top have a trigger winding made from Cu ??

Cheers,
Bernie

It's a mixture of stuff I'll have to look it up and/or email the guy who sent it. That patent link doesn't work...
Thanks,
Patrick

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It's a mixture of stuff I'll have to look it up and/or email the guy who sent it. That patent link doesn't work...
Thanks,
Patrick

Try this link --> http://www.iponz.govt.nz/app/Extra/I...78491659659365
and enter the number 330543 in the search bar ..

Cheers,
Bernie