Radiant Energy and Actual Results?

[Ewhaz]

I've been browsing the PESWiki website and going through the school girl section. I found something kind of interesting... I can't find any one posting their actual results on any of these experiments.

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The only one who is referenced as seeing these experiments work are the ones that have gone to Bedini's home shop and seen his experiments and his data.. But I don't think I've seen any one else claim that it works, and back it up with data or any empirical proof. I don't even think I've seen it on these forums, every one is focused on getting the projects up and running properly that it seems no one gets around to reproducing Bedini's results.

I don't doubt that Bedini is being truthful, or that Peter or any one else is trying to deceive people. That being said, I would like to at least see if any one out there has seen these units work as proposed, to the point of providing free energy above and beyond what was put in. I'll be doing my own experiments soon enough so I'll have my own proof, in the mean time can any one else validate the same conclusions that Bedini has come to?

[Jetijs]

Hi Ewhaz,
I have built two Bedini energizers and am now working on a selfrunner. I have not achieved overunity yet, but there are some interesting effects I have witnessed. For example the cold boiling effect. Also, when I measured what goes in the charging battery, the meter said that there are 50mA at 0.5V going in the charging battery. Now let's do the math. The battery charges up in approx 15 hours with the Bedini energizer (monopole), that means 0.050Ax0.5Vx15=0.375 watthours. When I am charging the same battery with a conventional charger, ir takes about 4 hours for the battery to charge, but it pushes 0.5A at 14V in the battery. That means 0.5x14x4=28watthours. So we can see, that we need 28 watt hours to charge the battery, but with te energizer we only give 0.375 watthours to the battery and it still charges full. What is that energy that charges the battery?

[obelix]

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Also, when I measured what goes in the charging battery, the meter said that there are 50mA at 0.5V going in the charging battery. Now let's do the math. The battery charges up in approx 15 hours with the Bedini energizer (monopole), that means 0.050Ax0.5Vx15=0.375 watthours. When I am charging the same battery with a conventional charger, ir takes about 4 hours for the battery to charge, but it pushes 0.5A at 14V in the battery. That means 0.5x14x4=28watthours. So we can see, that we need 28 watt hours to charge the battery, but with te energizer we only give 0.375 watthours to the battery and it still charges full. What is that energy that charges the battery?

Hi Jetijs

No , that only means that your's measure aren't correct.
With the impulse charger you can't said something good with a meter.
Only with a scope a very great attention on what you measure .......

Sorry !

Obelix

[Jetijs]

Obelix,
maybe you are right, I measured with analog meters. But that still does not explain why the batteries increase their capacity almost twice after some 10-20 charging/discharging cycles. I have done my load tests and made a summary.
U uploaded the PDF file if you are interested in reading it

[Ewhaz]

Now, this is whats strange. I see a lot of people building and making these projects, but no one stating simply that they have achieved the kind of results that Bedini has. Namely, that of being able to charge more than one battery off the charge of a single battery.

The only thing that I'm seeing is people exclaiming that they've seen Bedini's experiments and his data. Thats all good and well, but I'm finding it disturbing that I haven't seen any one else manage to validate his conclusions outside of the people directly involved with him. Now, I'm not trying to say Bedini is a fraud or that this is some sort of hoax. Maybe the information has been posted somewhere, only to get covered up.

But it does make it clear. There needs to be quantifiable confirmation of the results that Bedini has stated. Otherwise, others will get easily discouraged when trying these experiments and be unwilling to continue when they may be right on the brink of figuring this stuff out. Because they don't get results right off the bat, they will assume they've been misled. That disinformation spreads quickly and casts a shadow on the information, allowing it to be further distorted by those who don't want the information to get out there.

[Aaron]

efficiency measurement

One of the problems is that it is difficult to measure exactly what is happening.

Measuring joules into the system from the input battery vs. joules out of the batteries you charge on output is the only way to do a fair comparison. Basically work in vs. work out.

On an oscillator that I posted in this forum charging a cap bank and discharging on the neg side through scr into dead battery, that gave me the best results I ever got.

It brought back some gel cell batts that wouldn't hold a charge. The first charge I gave to the batt, the batt would only power a load for about 5 minutes until the voltage came down to 12.00 volts. Then I recharged up the same voltage and discharged down to 12 volts. By the 15th or so charge up, the same battery would power the same load for over 50 minutes. 10 times longer than the first time.

About 6 years ago, I was charging a cap bank with this same coil but not oscillating..using bicycle wheel to charge caps to a few hundred thousand uf at about 15 volts. The cap was discharged by a mechanical pulley/switch setup. After charging for about an hour, I could turn everything off and the battery would continue to climb in voltage for an entire HOUR! Bearden says it is the lead ions momentum continuing to move, but no matter what, it is a very desirable thing.

Anyway, on the oscillator, calculating joules in even giving the benefit of the doubt and considering the input to be 100% duty cycle...and comparing to 100% duty cycle discharge of output batts through load, it showed me that there were more joules that came out the backend than what went on. So the input is not 100% duty cycle so it is even better than what I noted.

I measured input volts X amps = watts. watts X seconds are watt seconds or joules. so if 13 volts @ 0.1amps = 1.3 watts, 1.3 watts X 60 seconds per minute = 78 joules per minute X minutes of input power. I did not account for a duty cycle to divide that by...just left it at 100% duty cycle. I took readings about every 15 minutes time frames.

Same type of calculation on output powering load and joules in were less than joules out...based only on THIS particular method of how I calculated it. It may not be accurate but I think it is very straight forward.

Also, on the rotor versions, when the circuit is in resonance, the wheel is basically spinning for free. People usually fail to even include work done by wheel. If you put in 10 parts and get back 8 parts in recovery and the wheel is spinning the whole time. 2 parts is the net input but the wheel is producing a lot more than 2 parts work.

[Aaron]

water gas production

Other efficiency claims.

The most claims I see and some I know who the people are seem to be very reliable but haven't verified any of it but it is with the water fuel cells.

Time and time again, people are constantly producing more gas than what Faraday's law of electrolysis allows. That is over 1.0 COP and quite a few people have achieved this by both pulsed DC and AC systems.

[elias]

Somthing is definitely missing

Hi,

As I pointed out in my post "Flow of Radiant Energy" We should first understand what part of the circuit actually is responsible for this charging effect Bedini talks about. What role do the magnets play in triggering the radiant? I mean what is the advantage of the SSG circuit for charging batteries in relation to a simple dc/dc converter (charge pump)? the only difference is the magnets on the wheel. So do the magnets induce radiant energy to the the coil?
I personally think that Bedini has not told the principles in operation clearly. I watched the energy from the vacuum 2 and I watched it over and over to see if I could figure out what Bedini is talking about.

At last I could not understand where this radiant is triggered? I know that sharp gradients trigger this event but which sharp gradient is actually producing this effect?

1- The Magnets passing over the coil?
2- The collapsing field of the coil?
3- The sharp discharge into the battery?

Bedini talks about all three of these in the video.
I have personally concluded that the radiant is triggered each time but we could not capture all of it unless some unknown parameters are set right which Bedini has not pointed out clearly.

It would be better if Bedini came over and explained the more fundamental principles regarding the triggering and capturing of radiant energy in SSG, as he is the inventor.

I say this with all the respect I have towards John Bedini.

Elias

[admin]

Not sure what you are looking for?

Now, this is whats strange. I see a lot of people building and making these projects, but no one stating simply that they have achieved the kind of results that Bedini has. Namely, that of being able to charge more than one battery off the charge of a single battery.

The only thing that I'm seeing is people exclaiming that they've seen Bedini's experiments and his data. Thats all good and well, but I'm finding it disturbing that I haven't seen any one else manage to validate his conclusions outside of the people directly involved with him. Now, I'm not trying to say Bedini is a fraud or that this is some sort of hoax. Maybe the information has been posted somewhere, only to get covered up.

But it does make it clear. There needs to be quantifiable confirmation of the results that Bedini has stated. Otherwise, others will get easily discouraged when trying these experiments and be unwilling to continue when they may be right on the brink of figuring this stuff out. Because they don't get results right off the bat, they will assume they've been misled. That disinformation spreads quickly and casts a shadow on the information, allowing it to be further distorted by those who don't want the information to get out there.

Hi Ewhaz,

Perhaps you have not seen some of my posts, or perhaps you don't believe them, or maybe I just do not provide the documentation you would like to see?

But if you go to this Thread and look at the post I made on 8-22-07 and this Thread and look at the post I made on 4-11-07, you will see that I have been "able to charge more than one battery off the charge of a single battery".

After thousands of hours of doing this and reaching my max of 1.9 amps output for every 1 amp input, it became commonplace and boring....anyway you can read about it in the threads referenced above.



Kevin

[Ewhaz]

Well there is a ton of information on these forums and its easy to overlook two posts. At least that is something, and encouraging. I intend to post my results after I've gotten a working unit running. It wasn't that I'm not willing to believe, only that up to this point, I hadn't seen anything other than Bedini's results.. and those on the net wishing to debunk him. I'm as excited about this as any one, but healthy skepticism is always a good part of any experiment.

Thank you for pointing out those posts!

[elias]

Measuring Radiant Energy

I was Thinking about how to measure this kind of energy to be able to tune our system to produce more of it or make our batteries absorb more.

I did an experiment lately and it surprized me bit. While I was working with my simple buck boost dc/dc converter (a simple charge pump) I noticed that if I connect a lamp at the end of the output diode while touching the other terminal of the lamp tightly, It would light!! This is in a situation which I have NO connection to the ground! Why should it light? I concluded that this is a different form of electricity which is induced to the lamp through my body. Normal current with not definitey behave like that. I also did not feel anything.

I used many inductors but only one of them behaved that way.

I am certainly sure we have to set some parameters correctly to maximize the Radiant output.

What do you think?

[admin]

Well there is a ton of information on these forums and its easy to overlook two posts. At least that is something, and encouraging. I intend to post my results after I've gotten a working unit running. It wasn't that I'm not willing to believe, only that up to this point, I hadn't seen anything other than Bedini's results.. and those on the net wishing to debunk him. I'm as excited about this as any one, but healthy skepticism is always a good part of any experiment.

Thank you for pointing out those posts!

Hi Ewhaz,

I know what you mean. I cannot keep up with all the posts either.

I, too, was predisposed to believe it would not work when I built my first SG, but lo and behold it worked! So I built another, bigger, one and conducted thousands of hours of tests.

The current plan is to build one large enough to charge 20 50% depleted 120 amp deep cycle batteries every 24 hours.

Have fun building yours. I am sure you will experience many interesting and paradigm challenging discoveries along the way.

Kevin

[admin]

Hi Elias,

I read your last two posts, but, rightly or wrongly, I have not concerned myself with how it works. Once I followed the directions and built the unit, I spent my time experimenting with various methods of tuning it to the the most amount of output for input.

Perhaps I could have done that better if I understood all the answers to the questions you are asking...my mind just did not go that direction.

I am sure Aaron or Peter can answer your questions. (I am not sure I would understand their answers , but you probably will.)

Have fun on your journey!

Kevin

[admin]

Obelix,
maybe you are right, I measured with analog meters. But that still does not explain why the batteries increase their capacity almost twice after some 10-20 charging/discharging cycles. I have done my load tests and made a summary.
U uploaded the PDF file if you are interested in reading it

Jetijs,

I really like how clean your set up is! Very nice.

Nice graphs also! Thank you for posting them.

One factor that I kept looking for in your report was how much work was expended in each "loading cycle". From what I can piece together it ranged between 1.92 amps and 2.88 amps. Is this correct?

I hope you don't mind...I have a few other questions.

What kind of bearing are you using?

Have you tried running your unit at a different RPM that consumes less than 160mA of the primary? (to see if it changes your COP)

Have you tried running your unit at a different RPM that consumes more than 160mA of the primary? (to see if it changes your COP)

If you have continued your load tests since this published data, is the battery becoming more conditioned? (have a larger "tested capacity")

Thanks in advance.

Kevin

[elias]

Kevin, what gauge wire did you use?

Hello Kevin Thanks for your motivation,

Since you have got it working on a good level, I wanted to know did you get overunity results with your first simple SG? What wire gauge did you use?

The Truth is that most people cannot get over 80 % from their SSG.
Thiere must be a trick to this, I certainly think that using multi coils will increase the output to the battery, because they generate electricity by using the magnets too. maybe the trick is this, like the self runner reported by Rick.

Some other people talk about impedance matching, since lower gauge wires have lower impedance they may charge batteries better.

Best Regards,