Uncovering the Missing Secrets of Magnetism. 92 pages. Free new book

[ldrancer]

no ufopolitics it wouldnt thats why tesla never got his patents released.

whatever im going to leave it at that. if he patented it, why didnt any body get together and make it. everybody could then pay them for thier work. and then everybody can use it. and pay upkeep fee. tahts about all i can see anyone doing.

and your going to complain about money?

you said theorisis youd explain magnetism, now you havent.

[Dog-One]

It may have already been done...

Now find out ...how on Earth, to find a Mechanical Engineering Method to run a cylinder at super high speeds within a Closed Loop of never ending round tubing...dressed up by Coils within Coils?

Energy generated within that Vortex would be endless.

It could be done guys...

Did Stan Meyer do it with his EPG?

Did Steven Mark do it with his TPU?

I suspect they might have.

Ken mentioned the coax cable. Is this the geometry we need to focus on?

Don Smith declared that common mechanical generators don't create electrical energy, but instead they stir up the "ambient background" with magnetism, then collect electrical energy with their stator windings. Seems to me like the Ether has all the energy we would ever need. If Don is correct, all we need is the most efficient mechanism to stir the Ether coupled to the most efficient mechanism to collect the electrical energy. Here is where I think Ken could help us the most. He has focused on these geometries long enough to recognize a good pattern when he sees one. I'd really like for Ken to take a peek at the Steven Mark TPU and help us figure out how this thing must have worked, then we build it and not only solve our energy problem, but provide a perfect example to highlight Ken's research. Certainly somebody can propose a plan where we all win.

[sadang]

Here is nothing to win and nothing to loose. Here is just about to understand, we are part of the same ether, ruled by the same laws! Not an external part! We can't look at ether as an external thing, and try to understand it this way! Maybe now, it becomes more clear why John Worrel Keely, Hendershot, Reich, Joe and others could not make their own devices, proved to be functional in many demonstrations, to be universally usable! And think about how this new way of knowledge fit with the actual human society!

[Ufopolitics]

Patents are NOT "Building Manuals".

no ufopolitics it wouldnt thats why tesla never got his patents released.

whatever im going to leave it at that. if he patented it, why didnt any body get together and make it. everybody could then pay them for thier work. and then everybody can use it. and pay upkeep fee. tahts about all i can see anyone doing.

and your going to complain about money?

you said theorisis youd explain magnetism, now you havent.

Idrancer,

Patents are NOT Building Manuals...You would not be able to build anything out of a patent, simply because they can NOT contain "Specifications about their Details"...eg: wire gauge, number of turns, measurements of anything, etc,etc...If You do that, then Mr "retarded" Patent Troll would come in an add a couple of more turns, and a higher awg, a bigger distance between x & y and that is it, a different patent....then Mr Smart Troll would just add..."Required or suitable number of turns"...plus "convenient wire gauge"...and "proper distance between X & Y"...and steal the full idea...

Patents are "Legally" written -For Protection- in a way to be "As General as possible"...and as a matter of fact, the way Claims are written is from the more complex point of view (Claim#1) to the simplest form to describe your claim(s) (last one)

Cheers


Ufopolitics

[Ufopolitics]

Did Stan Meyer do it with his EPG?

Did Steven Mark do it with his TPU?

I suspect they might have.

Hello Dog-One,

I never said it could not be done...read my last sentence below:

It could be done Guys...

Ken mentioned the coax cable. Is this the geometry we need to focus on?

Yes, the Coax Cable give Us a similar structure where the center wire would be the triggering Vortex through a sequential signal, or a moving magnet physically traveling...the Insulation tubing would be the "channel" where either signals or magnet travels...then the outer "mesh" would be the collecting coils...and external insulation to protect against outer environment...but this is not it...it must be done following a path...a closed path forming a toroid or closed ring.

Don Smith declared that common mechanical generators don't create electrical energy, but instead they stir up the "ambient background" with magnetism, then collect electrical energy with their stator windings. Seems to me like the Ether has all the energy we would ever need. If Don is correct, all we need is the most efficient mechanism to stir the Ether coupled to the most efficient mechanism to collect the electrical energy. Here is where I think Ken could help us the most. He has focused on these geometries long enough to recognize a good pattern when he sees one. I'd really like for Ken to take a peek at the Steven Mark TPU and help us figure out how this thing must have worked, then we build it and not only solve our energy problem, but provide a perfect example to highlight Ken's research. Certainly somebody can propose a plan where we all win.

Ken is correct about the way magnetism spirals are..."vortexing" into space in different type of shapes, and of course it DOES Help to have here someone like Him....If We don NOT see magnetism the real way it is, IN THEORY FIRST...our machines designed would NEVER take the real shapes required...therefore, their output would NEVER be as high, efficient, or "Overunity" (if u wanna bring that term in..)as when we do it based on the way natural magnetic waves evolve and develop.

Let me say this simple comparison based on your great comment above...

A Magnet have "printed" within its Matrix, the way Ether displace with perfect accuracy and therefore, Ether could be excited, stirred up or whatever way you would prefer to see it...when we transfer that print out pattern into collectable coils.

Now, it is up to our design to "Transfer" those Magnet Patterns into our collecting coils in order to be MORE successful with much less effort...that is the name of the game.

A Magnet passing THE RIGHT WAY through a PERFECTLY DESIGNED COIL, where Coil Metal, would start spinning its atomic structure with those identical patterns in zero time, will start the process to "Communicate" with the Ether...and We have created the perfect Network from Exciter, Buffer to Generation Output.

The Main and Only Way to excite our Coils is FROM INSIDE OUT, it does work also from Outside In...but in very little amounts of generation.

Inside Out, meaning, the Exciter (Triggering Magnetic Field) MUST BE WITHIN the Induced Coil(s), and Coil(s) Must be in a CLOSED LOOP AROUND that Exciter.

Then, there is NOT such a thing as "vertical wires or not perpendicular to lines of force, not generating electrical flow"...this way, every single Millimeter of copper would be induced in a round coil...excited by a 360º magnetic vortex.

So far all our Generators do NOT use this basic and simple principle...where all "Exciters" travel Outside Coils, (they do not "walk in) passing by limited and "enhanced" by very small "Air Gaps"...this is NOT enough to obtain a High Output Generator that brakes "classic physics rules".

Let's imagine a Train (not Einstein Train please...)...A Train traveling within closed loop Rail Road Tracks describing a perfect circle...then we install in the front nose a very high intensity Cylindrical Neo Magnet, where front of magnet would be North (as an example,but it could be South as well)...of a radius as big as the body of train allows....then we enclose those circle tracks AND Train, within a Glass Tubing, like a full circled Tunnel...then wrap glass tubing with a full loop of coil wires...this would be our Generating Fields "Tunnel"......Now speed up that train...and watch how our wires start generating bigger and bigger amounts of energy...the faster train goes.

By Train going faster...it would "print" more and more "stamps" of flow into passing by sections of coil, and maintaining a CONSTANT Speed would disburse the flow evenly and with constant "current pressure".

When we apply loads to output coils, the Lenz Law would start generating "reverse fields" against train speed forward vector coming from the "left behind" sections of coils, creating like a vacuum suction behind train, that would try slow down speed...so, keeping a very high speed would get to a point the back reverse reaction would not affect speed.

Hope you all understand what am writing here.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[thx1138]

As I have said many, many times in other threads on this forum. My wife works in intellectual property law. Read up on "patent defense" or "patent challenges" and what happens to your patent if you do NOT defend it in court. A major corporation that does NOT want you to get your patent can file challenge after challenge until your financial resources are exhausted. What could their motivation for this POSSIBLY be? Take a guess. And they have people on their payroll whose only job is to see what patent applications have been filed. So good luck with that.

I have no problem with ANYONE who desires to make a buck off their hard work and research. All I was trying to say is that someone who is going down the patent road is very unlikely to disclose info here that they could patent, since it would put their ability to patent in jeopardy. Am I incorrect in that?

Dave

The value of a patent is the amount of money one has to defend it.

Back in the late 40's and early 50's my father developed a hydraulicly driven mechanical machine to palletize packages. It was programmable through hydraulic valves to handle different sized packages and stacking patterns.

The investors that looked at it took his plans and started building and selling the machine. When he filed a patent infringement suit against them they used the profits from selling the machine to do just what you said - exhuast his resources. Patent trolls are not new.

All of the current automated warehousing systems of today from FedEx to the automotive industry are based off of that machine.

So it basically doesn't matter if you leave info out of the patent. Once the design is out in the wild, it's gone and you have no control over it.

BTW there are several countries that do not have a patent treaty with U.S. and/or Great Britain. China is one.

So unless you have the money to build and control the manufacturing process and hit the ground running, you'll never make a dimes profit from selling your product.

On the other hand, as long as the costs can be kept reasonable any device can be used for your personal use to help reduce your dependency on the grid and possibly get paid for feeding energy back into the grid.

The entire patent system only feeds new ideas into the companies that already have the money to develop those ideas into functional products. If you or your investors don't have the money to fight an IBM or GE or Microsoft or whoever, filing a patent application is just a waste of time and money. Keep in mind that a patent attorney costs $500 to $1000 an hour.

So forget about patents and get on with it.

[thx1138]

Let's imagine a Train (not Einstein Train please...)...A Train traveling within closed loop Rail Road Tracks describing a perfect circle...then we install in the front nose a very high intensity Cylindrical Neo Magnet, where front of magnet would be North (as an example,but it could be South as well)...of a radius as big as the body of train allows....then we enclose those circle tracks AND Train, within a Glass Tubing, like a full circled Tunnel...then wrap glass tubing with a full loop of coil wires...this would be our Generating Fields "Tunnel"......Now speed up that train...and watch how our wires start generating bigger and bigger amounts of energy...the faster train goes.

By Train going faster...it would "print" more and more "stamps" of flow into passing by sections of coil, and maintaining a CONSTANT Speed would disburse the flow evenly and with constant "current pressure".

When we apply loads to output coils, the Lenz Law would start generating "reverse fields" against train speed forward vector coming from the "left behind" sections of coils, creating like a vacuum suction behind train, that would try slow down speed...so, keeping a very high speed would get to a point the back reverse reaction would not affect speed.

Hope you all understand what am writing here.

A little backup for this:
"Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, Tesla answered that rotating magnetic fields were dear to his heart. 'A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.' " - 10 Renowned Scientists Make Their PopSci Debut, Nikola Tesla, November 1928
Popular Science, November 1928

Just thinking out loud here - what if the copper torus (tube bent into torus and closed with itself) containing the magnet were filled with a dielectric liquid? Would there be a way to manipulate the contained dielectric from outside the torus such that it expressed a magnetic field inside the tube to push the magnet around the tube?

Calculation of electrostatic forces in presence of dielectrics

Consider the following in terms of a quenched spark gap.
Water Hammer

[Ufopolitics]

Missile Launching...

A little backup for this:
"Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, Tesla answered that rotating magnetic fields were dear to his heart. 'A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.' " - 10 Renowned Scientists Make Their PopSci Debut, Nikola Tesla, November 1928
Popular Science, November 1928

Just thinking out loud here - what if the copper torus (tube bent into torus and closed with itself) containing the magnet were filled with a dielectric liquid? Would there be a way to manipulate the contained dielectric from outside the torus such that it expressed a magnetic field inside the tube to push the magnet around the tube?

Calculation of electrostatic forces in presence of dielectrics

Consider the following in terms of a quenched spark gap.
Water Hammer

Hello Thx1138,

By the way, how is your Grand Daughter doing?...hope she is perfectly well by now!

The Dielectric liquid is a good idea...I also figure a liquid filled tube would do as a lubricant and heat sink as well.

Now, are you familiar with Projectile electromagnetic launchers?

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It uses a pulsed signal to coil, or coils...then either magnet or simple steel cylinder would launch...

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Now, Thx1138...You have built a Sir John Stone Quad Monster Driver...right?...right...So, that would be the best ever Pulsing Machine in a Programmable and perfect Square Sequence to "launching" coils within Toroid Generating coils...say about 90º apart.

It would be a pretty simple design...and if you want AC Out...then wind EXACT sequences that are reverse Turned to each others, instead of a continuous DC Coil from start to end...

I would, though, try to set magnet in some kind of "sliding mechanisms" as to maintain a constant gap as well as to reduce friction, noise, inertia forces assistance, etc..


Regards and great job you are doing on the "Tronics"



Ufopolitics

[TheoriaApophasis]

A little backup for this:
Just thinking out loud here - what if the copper torus (tube bent into torus and closed with itself) containing the magnet were filled with a dielectric liquid? Would there be a way to manipulate the contained dielectric from outside the torus such that it expressed a magnetic field inside the tube to push the magnet around the tube?

dense mercury vapor

[TheoriaApophasis]

Hello Thx1138,


Ufopolitics

Lovely !!!



Just found the FULL QUOTE:


Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, it was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”.

Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.


“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”

Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla


Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)











In that same article:



Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an “electron” as pictured by science.
“To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability….” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)

[ldrancer]

thats a stupid bunch of bs. patents are building blueprints or what purpose are they?

i want to patent every little silly idea I can come up with. I can see how absolutely ridiculous these are. No wonder. They arent constitutional in any way, I know that.

The way people used to do business was someone didnt screw someone over.

How can you patent an idea? You can't.

[sadang]

And here can be read the entire original article:
- Popular Science Nov. 1928

[ldrancer]

The value of a patent is the amount of money one has to defend it.

Back in the late 40's and early 50's my father developed a hydraulicly driven mechanical machine to palletize packages. It was programmable through hydraulic valves to handle different sized packages and stacking patterns.

The investors that looked at it took his plans and started building and selling the machine. When he filed a patent infringement suit against them they used the profits from selling the machine to do just what you said - exhuast his resources. Patent trolls are not new.

All of the current automated warehousing systems of today from FedEx to the automotive industry are based off of that machine.

So it basically doesn't matter if you leave info out of the patent. Once the design is out in the wild, it's gone and you have no control over it.

BTW there are several countries that do not have a patent treaty with U.S. and/or Great Britain. China is one.

So unless you have the money to build and control the manufacturing process and hit the ground running, you'll never make a dimes profit from selling your product.

On the other hand, as long as the costs can be kept reasonable any device can be used for your personal use to help reduce your dependency on the grid and possibly get paid for feeding energy back into the grid.

The entire patent system only feeds new ideas into the companies that already have the money to develop those ideas into functional products. If you or your investors don't have the money to fight an IBM or GE or Microsoft or whoever, filing a patent application is just a waste of time and money. Keep in mind that a patent attorney costs $500 to $1000 an hour.

So forget about patents and get on with it.

yea so build the thing first, then sell it to someone. start selling them to make money. a patent is a bs idea probably brought by lincoln he had ideas of changing everyone be under the us and blah blah in the national anthem in the way he changed it, which sounds exactly like this whole bs thing. so said i dont know when it came aroudn, but people didnt always do it. and thats, this, is what ive heard.

if you make your machine first you can always prove they stole it from you. is a patent just a way for them to make money off your idea after you do it? **** a patent then. and thats all it sounds like its for. you can prove it then theyll say they got the patent. then waht is that? a means for them to lie. how about release instructions ot the world so everyone else can design their own.

that destroys their patent bullcrap. you dont make money but if they make meoney itll of course turn into a dumbed down version.
like the internet without internet anonimity.

but if you build it first at least you can prove it to the world their thieves and show them. you could even do a patent search in a video for your thing you've build. If it can produce, it's proven.

patents are SUCh a bunch of bs.

[john_g]

Feynman's difficulty with explaining magnets

Hi All

Many posts ago it was mentioned about Feynman's difficulty with explaining magnetic effects (I dare not say attraction /Repulsion!) For those who have not seen the video it is at:

Richard Feynman Magnets - YouTube

Not a very satisfactory response from a person who was held in such high regard by the scientific community IMO.

Thanks to TheoriaApophasis - I'm still learning.

Kind regards

John

[tachyoncatcher]

Practical things

Thanks Ken for vid 51. That helped me a lot and you show some practical examples of the correct way to use magnetism and how to think about it. Yes, I learned from the beginning and end of the video then applied it to the middle. Very purposeful. Keep up the good works.
Randy