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  • That 'other magnetic induction' for which there is BOTH no formula nor explaination

    In the case of a magnet, and a nail / ferrous object for example, we have 2 wholly diff creature-interaction not explained by convention EMF formulas.

    EMF Faradays law doesn't explain magnetic "attraction" (crude term really) of a ferrous material to a magnet with a time variable

    MOST people have no idea that there is a time variable in this type of induction. ("applied field") [see below for physical examples of same]

    Whereas EMF in explaining induction in a "conductor" is a firmly established entity, at 90 degrees


    As pertains a magnet and a ferrous object; applied induction (at high velocity) causes dielectric acceleration inducing a greater force of "attraction"

    As such, we know (obviously) attraction is at 0 degrees (direct from say, the nail to the magnet), [[[really however its at whatever edge boundary angle exists of the physical magnet where centrifugal velocity is higest, however this is negligible and can be reduced to 0 at any distance]]]

    Reductively we know that 0 degree "attraction" is due to ACTION UPON another field AT 90 degrees, that being the dielectric plane of the inter-atomic.
    explanations to the contrary of this are utterly impossible.



    ........whereas the induction of the non-"magnet" is caused by coherent dielectric acceleration (in presence of the field) which is induced in the the nail/iron to accelerate (to the "magnet").

    There is NO change in the magneto-dielectricity of the inter-atomic OF say, the nail, only a change in its magneto-dielectric vector coherency which causes acceleration at 0 degrees resultant to acceleration OF the dielectric, coherently, at 90 degrees; as resultant from the magnetic induction from the magnetic upon the iron, for example.


    Formulas for "magnets" attracting other "magnets" do NOT apply
    , because a "magnet" is an electrified dielectric object with field incommensurability of which an amplified dielectric field (and resultant magnetic) are in place.


    Force = Delta (MxB)
    where the gradient ∇ is the change of the quantity m · B per unit distance, and the direction is that of maximum increase of m · B.


    Nope.....<

    Faradays law of (CONDUCTOR induction)
    E = Blv
    B = magnetic flux density, T
    l = length of the conductor cutting the field, m
    v = speed at which the conductor cuts the field, m/s

    Nope.....<

    Maxwell–Faraday equation


    no go there!

    Magnetization defined:


    Nope, no time variable there


    Magnetic moment vectors?

    where Tau is the torque acting on the dipole and B is the external magnetic field, and Mu is the magnetic moment.

    Nope, still no go.


    Maybe this?
    Viewing a magnetic dipole as a rotating charged sphere brings out the close connection between magnetic moment and angular momentum. Both the magnetic moment and the angular momentum increase with the rate of rotation of the sphere. The ratio of the two is called the gyromagnetic ratio, usually denoted by the symbol γ


    rotation OF WHAT? The QM fools dont know, its dielectric acceleration coherently in a time variable magnetic field on a ferrous object.

    Still no equation to explain the F (force), over distance, at field intensity in a time variable upon a ferrous object.



    Need a simple example.


    take a powerful magnet in your hand placing your hand between the fridge door, very slowly remove the magnet from the door face.

    little to no resultant.

    Do the same QUICKLY, and you will rock the 500+ pound fridge


    Here is another analogy I use to show people. Remember this toy, place your hand underneath to show the patter of your hand in the nails, etc.


    FIRST example is slowly placing the magnet on the surface, just 4-6 nails raise.



    SECOND example is VERY RAPIDLY placing the magnet on the surface in which 5 to 6X as many nails raise, also a ring around them of partial inductive jump.



    This effect is reproducible with almost PERFECT results time after time after time.


    There are OTHER examples with ferrofluid and iron filings, but you can do that yourself.




    All this is explained (by my forth coming dielectric inertial plane explanation, which basically you got the short form above).

    We really (all humans do really) always conceive of attraction between magnet and ferrous as = distance and Gauss rating.

    Well, yes, but certainly that isnt even HALF the picture. Nor does it explain "attraction" (horrible incorrect word, but the term used)



    Now.... that posits or raises another BIG question, ....IF the dielectric inertial acceleration is resultantly SAME at the END of a slow approach (in the iron being 'applied a magnetic field', or induced)..........as it is at the END of FAST approach,....; then why is there a much greater FORCE exerted on the ferrous object(s) from the 'applied field' ?


    The very short answer has to do with the attribute of all fields, being SPACE, since space is the product of a field, a slow change approach of a magnetic field is like taking a trampoline membrane (dielectric inertial plane) and slowly stretching it taught with the 'mass in the center'.......almost no effect until the field is so close it will cause an effect, but NOTHING like a rapid approach or removal.

    A fast approach is like a very rapid making-taught (acceleration of the dielectric inertial plane) of the inter-atomic inertial plane causing an increase in the applied Force of the mass IN the membrane to accelerate due to greater induction from the fast approaching or disappearing "applied field".


    The force of pressure gradient equalization (in the magneto-dielectric inter-atomic) of the space WITHIN a field is so drastic in a rapid change that a greater applied force and likewise acceleration occurs.

    Same principle as 'shooting' someone skyward on a bed sheet when 4 people rapidly pull the sheet taught (crude analogy)
    Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 07-11-2014, 07:16 AM.

  • #2
    because the motional electric field induces eddy currents in the conductor and is greater when you move the magnet fast.. what else? where do you get your magnets I need a cylindrical one
    Last edited by tachyon; 07-11-2014, 08:33 AM.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by tachyon View Post
      because the motional electric field induces eddy currents in the conductor and is greater when you move the magnet fast.. what else? where do you get your magnets I need a cylindrical one

      what else?.....is I'm talking about apples, and your talking about mangos.

      You're confusing conventional magnetic induction ON A CONDUCTOR with an applied field on a ferrous object(s) with a time variable.

      Lenz Law : electromotive force (emf) always gives rise to a current whose magnetic field opposes the original change in magnetic flux.



      ......doesnt explain same. that has do with ELECTRICAL CURRENT......

      NOT displaced dielectric inertial fields as per the 1st post regarding ferrous materials in an induction or "applied field"


      I assume youre trying to refer to:



      Nope.


      This only refers to a conductor:
      When net positive work is applied to a charge q1, it gains momentum. The net work on q1 thereby generates a magnetic field whose strength (in units of magnetic flux density (1 tesla = 1 volt-second per square meter)) is proportional to the speed increase of q1. This magnetic field can interact with a neighboring charge q2, passing on this momentum to it, and in return, q1 loses momentum.


      There is no "generation of a magnetic field" in an "applied field" to a ferrous object, only a magneto-dielectric aligning of field gradient conjugates which initiate acceleration at 0 degrees to the applied force between a magnet an the ferrous object. The only thing "proportional" is the resultant force due to displacement and field strength in a time variable.

      Displacement differentiation is not the generation of anything, anymore so than it is in saying you "generated DIRT" by merely filtering dirty water.

      applied fields rearrange fields in induced ferrous objects, there is no change in charge, only in the geometric alignment of the equilibrium between the magnetism and dielectricity in the inter-atomic.

      Even conventional induction in copper windings is superluminal torque breaking leading to electrification or --- E. Dollard "electricity is the Ether in a state of dynamic polarization". Charge and discharge are field pressure mediations.

      Any energy archetype is merely a field-Ether modality: radial, circular, spatial or counterspatial.

      You can get all the magnets you want cheap on Ebay, but I have a private source.
      Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 07-11-2014, 09:07 AM.

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      • #4
        ferrous objects are conductors say first nail has microcurrent induced from the motional field ofthe magnet and is moving up from the magnet attraction which creates a second motional magnetic field from the microcurrent now say the second nail has a microcurrent induced from the second motional magnetic field which repulses the first nail due to lenz law.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by tachyon View Post
          ferrous objects are conductors say first nail has microcurrent induced from the motional field ofthe magnet and is moving up from the magnet attraction which creates a second motional magnetic field from the microcurrent now say the second nail has a microcurrent induced from the second motional magnetic field which repulses the first nail due to lenz law.


          Youre forgetting that the lens law is about magnetic current creating an electrical current, which creates an opposing magnetic current

          as in a magnet dropping in a copper tube

          The induced current in the nailheads surrounding is right,.... but what is "spun up" is the dielectric induced field, which is always opposite to the magnetic.

          thats why when turns upside down, there is a BIG circle of nails that dont drop forward.







          The point missing in any formula is that AFTER all motion is ceased, there is still a "spinning flywheel" (for a brief time) effect of induced dielectric spinup in the surrounding nail heads.



          There is temporary electrostatic/dielectric capacitance of induced charge KEEPING those surrounding nails from coming forward

          Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 07-15-2014, 05:38 PM.

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          • #6
            Energy in Electric and Magnetic Fields

            for a charged sphere the capacitance is formed with infinity

            when all motion is ceased there are still microcurrents circulating one cancel the other until there's no energy left
            what do you mean?
            thats why when turns upside down, there is a BIG circle of nails that dont drop forward.
            the magnets are cheap but the transportation is expensive from ebay do you know any stores in europe that doesnt charge 20$ "minimum order compensation" like supermagnete
            Last edited by tachyon; 07-15-2014, 07:15 PM.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by tachyon View Post
              Energy in Electric and Magnetic Fields

              for a charged sphere the capacitance is formed with infinity

              when all motion is ceased there are still microcurrents circulating one cancel the other until there's no energy left
              what do you mean?

              the magnets are cheap but the transportation is expensive from ebay do you know any stores in europe that doesnt charge 20$ "minimum order compensation" like supermagnete



              The currents are coherent, and are dielectric. They are, like a gyroscopic flywheel, spun up in a coherent plane which why when turned upside down, they will not fall forward towards the magnetic reciprocation.


              Cheap magnets in Europe? Hmmmm.
              You need a friend HERE in the USA buy them for you, have them shipped TO him/her and they can avoid crazy fees.


              What about buying a BULK of some magnets you need and want and do it all in one sweep???

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              • #8
                You Tube?

                I don't understand you. Could you explain in simpler terms what you are saying? Perhaps a video clip would help? Thanks for at least trying to open my mind to what you are trying to say.
                There is a reason why science has been successful and technology is widespread. Don't be afraid to do the math and apply the laws of physics.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by wayne.ct View Post
                  I don't understand you. Could you explain in simpler terms what you are saying? Perhaps a video clip would help? Thanks for at least trying to open my mind to what you are trying to say.

                  Meaning the (temporary) creation of a coherent dielectric plane which will not fall towards the (high speed) centrifugal magnetic reciprocation when the physical analog is turned upside down.

                  there is a large circular void that wont (for a short time) fall forward.

                  In so doing, a significant dielectric inertia is created which will not "fall" into its opposite, that being magnetism.

                  Same reason in ANY "magnet" the dielectric plane is in the middle, as is necessitated in any binding system, the magneto-dielectric geometry of a binding system at MAXIMUM "throw" (due to GREAT amplification of the dielectric from electrification in the creation of a magnet) from each other in 2 fields (magnetic and dielectric) which naturally moves 180 degrees from each other creates this geometry (pics below)

                  What appears to be 90 degree opposite fields is really 180 degrees at maximum repulsion in a binding system (as ANY and ALL atoms are), likewise therefore (of course), any "magnet" and any system where either the magnetic or dielectric are wholly out of equilibrium relative to each other in the inter-atomic.


                  However as is the case here (far above pictured), a magnet is not being created, rather a coherent plane of dielectric inertial is being temporarily 'spun up'.




                  Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 07-17-2014, 03:51 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Have you seen these

                    Have you watched the primer field videos by David LaPointe? Very similar thoughts.

                    David LaPoint - YouTube

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Ruphus View Post
                      Have you watched the primer field videos by David LaPointe? Very similar thoughts.

                      David LaPoint - YouTube


                      Yes, I know his videos well. Theyre well made, and HALF right.


                      However he misses the 800 pound gorilla that "DRIVES" magnetism, dielectricity.


                      I feet sorry for David LaPointe, he works hard, hes trying to understand, but hes got it waaaaaaaay wrong.


                      he actually thinks the TOP vortex formation in his "bowls" analogy is magnetism, and the bottom is electrical

                      Uggggggh He just needs a hard slap against the head.


                      He is 100% clueless about centripetal and centrifugal, and 10,000% CLUELESS that what forms his "double bowl" shape (as he accurately depicts) is the dielectric inertial plane.

                      One HARD slap might fix his mental misunderstanding. (really hard).


                      He keeps talking about "magnetic bowl shaped formations", but hes clueless that what hes trying to grasp but doesnt is the DOUBLE HYPERBOLA of centrifugal magnetic fields reciprocating, and the center centripetal fields and between both of his "salad bowls" of magnetism is the dielectric inertial plane.


                      He also speak about magnetism as an entity in and of its on accord. Which nowhere exists in nature.


                      The "wave particle duality" nonsense is a misgrasp of the fact that ALL TEM ("transverse electromagnetism") contains a radial dielectric.

                      This is the REAL explanation behind the "photoelectric effect" to which the demented fool Einstein won his "prize".


                      He got most of descriptions right, but got the explanation wholly 100% wrong

                      This is extremely typical of the cult of quantum.


                      Its basically REHASHED Greek Atomism



                      Unicorn particles

                      Pixie dust 'discharge particles'

                      muons, gluons, mesons, bosons , hogwash, twaddle, rubbish, nonsense
                      Last edited by TheoriaApophasis; 07-18-2014, 03:22 AM.

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