Gravity motor - what do you think?

[BroMikey]

Dreams Come True

Hi Stealth

I can agree with you on that, we all need to keep dreaming up new inventions to tap into the glut of power we are all floating in.

The Kings and Pharaohs used SLAVES at first that was their free ride

I really think dreams come to those who press in and generally that does not happen if there is no great need. It takes desperation to achieve a new plateau.

Like those busted up Slaves. They had that experiment staring them in the face everyday, in fact every minute another bucket had to be raised into position.

When men put their minds to anything that is a requirement or part of their daily provision, they will always find another new way, better than ever.

Hang in there many dreams are unfolding now.

Mike

[BroMikey]

Schriber Power Wheel

Hey Stealth

Check out this company profile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnjWmpIRVn0

[Stealth]

This is an interesting design, of which I have seen before. Over the years I have built many replications of these overbalanced wheels. I have also designed and built many prototypes. Many will approach self running and some will even self run, but no energy can be extracted from these systems as it will stop their momentum. The only two systems to ever be certified to produce excess energy from gravity are Bessler's wheel and buzz saw wheel. Leupolds rolling ball motor works barely as a prototype but in a larger configuration it may work great. The hamster cage motor also works, but it uses gravity and magnetic power in unison. I have designed one with both forces but have not yet built a prototype yet. Also I have designed but have not built a version of the drinking bird motor. These work on my cad program, but sometimes real life forces negate the effect and render these designs non functional. I don't post these designs unless I have built and studied them. I don't want people to trey replicate4 unless they work. Too many projects on here now are only speculation or design and are not proven to work, causing many people to use funds to replicate on no working prototypes. Many people are looking for free energy, but it already exists, solar, wind water and geothermal are good examples. Although most are not available all the time. Even so, a good battery bank or large capacitor bank can help offset the periodic down times with these systems. Water and geo are the most reliable and can run 24/7 without interruptions if it is available. Still there are many ways to cheat the system and gain extra energy, like the three battery system Turon discovered. Mostly free energy defies the laws of conservation which most scientists prescribe to and wont allow themselves an opportunity to investigate anything outside of the box. Many universities wont even test a claimed free energy device. Many possibilities exist for these types of systems and will one day come to light. Some are already in use by private parties not wanting publicity or trouble. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Stealth

I am looking up the information of your highly detailed answer.

What about this guy?

It is an off shoot of skinner. Most people won't even look.

This guy is crazy or sane?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEvf60qU7Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTnl9n4KiaY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0AsR126bSI

[Stealth]

That is a simplified version of Skinner's motor. Same principle but fewer moving parts with less capability. Swinging rods, balls or other objects act like a flywheel in motion, but eccentric motion adds potential, just like using a larger flywheel. The problem is that an eccentric moving objects builds vibration which can turn into resonance and destroys most of these systems after a short time. A system such as Skinner's needs to be over engineered to keep it from tearing itself apart. It is extremely hard to balance a system using these principles. Automobiles use a torque converter to keep the offset piston rods from developing a resonant frequency. The large flywheel also helps to balance out the system. Look at the (D) configuration of a chain and gear system with the same flipping arms to get free energy. Study Keely to see what frequency/vibration is capable of. Tesla also was no stranger to vibration. A standing wave is one of the most powerful forces in nature, no matter what medium it is in. Good Luck with your search and keep experimenting. stealth

[BroMikey]

Okay Stealth will do

Thanks for the great insight.

The JOHN DEVICE? He keeps saying for a less than 1 watt input
he is getting 800 watts of work out. What are your thoughts
on this statement?

[Stealth]

With a system like his it is possible to gain extra energy, but a COP of 800 seems like exaggeration to me. I am not disputing his word but I would need to see far more evidence to believe those gains. The most I have gotten from a system similar to that is COP 10. If he is getting that kind of COP, then there are more forces at work then he is showing. Remember that all over COP devices has to tap into the energy that surrounds us. This is where the additional energy comes from. 1) it has to be an open system, 2) it has to resonate with the natural energy surrounding us, 3) you can only withdraw what is excess without stalling the system, 4) it needs to be as frictionless and run as cool as possible. Milkovik used this to his advantage and engineered his system to run at many times over COP. Replications of his design have been made by members here and they have posted their results. With a small motor they were able to produce massive torque, but again the system would tear itself apart. With water, or any liquid, it can develop massive pressure and cavitate pipes or tanks when a standing wave is in motion. Good Luck. stealth

[wayne.ct]

Read the Skinner thread

If you look closely at the John Drive videos you will notice the similarities and differences between his build and the Skinner device. If you put all the information together, you will notice that John's device has fewer degrees of freedom. The joints and connections in the Skinner device are arranged in produce two loosely connected subsystems. According to the theories expressed in the Skinner thread, these are critical to the correct functioning of the device and essential for opening the system to "outside" energy. This analysis is based on the information in this thread and the Skinner thread. It is not based on experiments I have done. It needs to be read with that in mind. I simply point out the observation that the John Drive is different in significant ways. This may mean that it does not really have more output than input. I think it boils down to understanding what a load is. In a rotating device, you can't simply take the distance a weight travels in a circle and say work is being done. He does not really have 800 watts out, when viewed from the perspective of classic mechanical system analysis. John needs to study and understand the Skinner machine if he wants to make progress. That's what I think about it.

[BroMikey]

With a system like his it is possible
to gain extra energy.................................





With water, or any liquid, it can develop massive pressure and cavitate pipes or tanks when a standing wave is in motion. Good Luck. stealth

Interesting, I would like to hear more
on the fluid approach when you so desire.

[BroMikey]

Yes very true Wayne

I think you are right about this and John said that in his video.

I know you guys don't have time to review all of his material

so let me paraphrase.

John said that according to standard laws that the weight needed

X amount of HP/ watt equivalent to move the mass, but he also

said that he might be able to only extract 2,3 or 4 COP from it.

His Patent is pending I guess and he is not sure how to do many

things to make it practical.

But standard laws can not be escaped.

Force and Distance = something and if you say that these

formulas are wrong you will be expelled from class


The rules of Force and distance are irrefutable. This is a
direct quote from JOHN on the "JOHN DEVICE" patent pending.

[BroMikey]

If you look closely at the John Drive videos you will notice the similarities and differences between his build and the Skinner device.


I think it boils down to understanding what a load is.

In a rotating device, you can't simply take the distance a weight travels in a circle and say work is being done.


He does not really have 800 watts out, when viewed from the perspective of classic mechanical system analysis.


That's what I think about it.

How much does he have then if he is moving all of that weight

by standard laws? Does he have only 2 watts?

How do you make a statement like that without

giving some kind of calculation for your conclusion?

How can people throw out all of the classic laws and

replace them with nothing?

If that figure does not add to 800 watts then

how much is it?

Give me a figure please, or your statement is inconclusive.

Not giving a calculation puts your speculations out

to pasture.

I mean JOHN will go by our current laws, what are we going by

nothing?

I am not a fool SIR and the people on these forums need to

do some standard calculations to show they know the basics.

Okay so you have tossed the normal laws of force and distance

out the window? Humm.... very well then.

You know better than that.

[Stealth]

Been busy. Just saw these posts. What I was referring to in a liquid state is a water hammer. Many people know what it is and how to stop it, but few know how to take advantage of the great power it put out. Keely used this knowledge to power many of his first devices. A single water pipe suddenly shut off can produce upwards of 600 PSI, and can last for several seconds, and up to several minutes under controlled circumstances. Uncontrolled it can burst pies, fittings and reservoirs, but this is for another thread. You tube has some good illustrations on it. Good luck. stealth

[citfta]

I have not watched the video, but if you are quoting him correctly he does not understand the basic laws of physics and is using the wrong formula to calculate his output power. He is ignoring the laws of angular momentum.

You need to read and study the following info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

Keeping a mass spinning is not the same as doing real work. Once the mass is up to speed the only power needed is to overcome the friction of the bearings and the windage losses.

How much does he have then if he is moving all of that weight

by standard laws? Does he have only 2 watts?

How do you make a statement like that without

giving some kind of calculation for your conclusion?

How can people throw out all of the classic laws and

replace them with nothing?

If that figure does not add to 800 watts then

how much is it?

Give me a figure please, or your statement is inconclusive.

Not giving a calculation puts your speculations out

to pasture.

I mean JOHN will go by our current laws, what are we going by

nothing?

I am not a fool SIR and the people on these forums need to

do some standard calculations to show they know the basics.

Okay so you have tossed the normal laws of force and distance

out the window? Humm.... very well then.

You know better than that.

Carroll

[BroMikey]

I have not watched the video, but if you are quoting him correctly he does not understand the basic laws of physics and is using the wrong formula to calculate his output power. He is ignoring the laws of angular momentum.

You need to read and study the following info:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum

Keeping a mass spinning is not the same as doing real work. Once the mass is up to speed the only power needed is to overcome the friction of the bearings and the windage losses.




Carroll

Yes true, you are so right, this is basic classical mechanics.

Energy can not be created or destroyed. E=MC2

[BroMikey]

Been busy. Just saw these posts. What I was referring to in a liquid state is a water hammer. Many people know what it is and how to stop it, but few know how to take advantage of the great power it put out. Keely used this knowledge to power many of his first devices. A single water pipe suddenly shut off can produce upwards of 600 PSI, and can last for several seconds, and up to several minutes under controlled circumstances. Uncontrolled it can burst pies, fittings and reservoirs, but this is for another thread. You tube has some good illustrations on it. Good luck. stealth

Hey Stealth

Good Idea I will keep one ear open for these videos. I have heard of

hydraulics used in much the same way as electrical flows.

Capture that moment.

When you get your latest going, let me know.

Mikey