Series Wound Bifilar Coil a Doorway for Dielectric Influx?

[BroMikey]

All True

Mike
But if you induce a potential into a bifilar coil with opposing windings, the bemfs for each winding will also be in opposition to one another, cancelling other out........
Bob

Yeah now that is what I like Bob

Short and simple explanations. These types of easy definitions give way to a more complex entry. That is so cool Bob.

Yeah the twisted wire for instance could do that as well as two wires side by side. I remember back when we were winding up Bedini style Bifilar spools and someone asked that question.

The answer came back that twisted wire or side by side wound coils did the same thing in this case we used them for.

Thanks for sharing that very powerful tidbit.

Mike

[boguslaw]

Mike
When you have induction in a single coil, you get the formation of an opposing magnetic field and electromotive force (bemf) right? But if you induce a potential into a bifilar coil with opposing windings, the bemfs for each winding will also be in opposition to one another, cancelling other out, I think.
Bob

I see how bemf from first turn act on the second turn electrons to help current propagate.What do you think ?

[Bob Smith]

I see how bemf from first turn act on the second turn electrons to help current propagate.What do you think ?

Hi Boguslaw
I would look at it in a similar way, but with a slightly different angle. Where does bemf come from? It doesn't come from the initial source of electrical charge. It must come from the aether/dielectric. If this is the case, and at this point I believe it is, you have the bemf from one coil interacting with the bemf from the second oppositely-wound coil (as you point out). In effect then, you have a concentrated or heightened interaction with the dielectric medium with this kind of coil configuration.

So is it current being propagated? Perhaps. I would be inclined to think that in addition to voltage being greatly stepped up (we all know what the patent says about that) and mutual cancellation of magnetic fields that arise from current in the (opposing) windings, we also have a greatly increased dielectric permittivity and perhaps dielectric influx (dielectric inertia?).

Is it not surprising that so many experimenters are using some variation of the swbifi coil in their setups?

I think we have to look beyond the dynamics of voltage and magnetism to the bemf as you point out, but in its direct relation to the dielectric medium, where as we both know, there is great and inexhaustible power to be tapped.

Have a good day.
Bob

[Gav]

why are there no real replications of this coil on the net? the replications that are here are very basic and really not very good?
what are the laws with building something like this?
can the average experimenter build something like this without getting into trouble?
are there laws that stop experimenters from building electrical devices?

[Matthew Jones]

You guys are all missing some real good facts. Look at Naudin's GeneGene replication.

Self inductive coils transmit. Bifiliar non self inductive coils receive. Both do the job very well. Think about it. Core less coupling...???\


Matt

[BroMikey]

Laws?

why are there no real replications of this coil on the net? the replications that are here are very basic and really not very good?
what are the laws with building something like this?
can the average experimenter build something like this without getting into trouble?
are there laws that stop experimenters from building electrical devices?

Hi Gav

No stozzy laws would stop me anyway, but to answer your question I don't think it is against the LAW to experiment yet.

The other question was why are there no good replications? I think everyone that pops in after 10 years of looking for the answers ends up calling it by another name.

What is it? What do you call it?

Since there are standard terms or lists of goals outside of GOV/RUN stuff it is more like a free for all.

How do you replicate something without a name?

The frustration to have even a normal conversation about new tech without common terms is quite elevated. Very few people post because they are not cut out for running into a brick wall every time they try to move forward.

I talk to men who have been on these groups for 25 years and they still can't find the answers to their questions.

We have very few teachers to lead the way and all free of charge.

The teachers that we do have must work at other jobs most of the day to earn a living.

There is no teacher that earns a living teaching about fringe science.

Zero-None. On the other hand Gov?Run school rake in billions and pay hundreds of thousands of teacher every year to teach reading/writing and basic Math skills.

Now having said that and all of the minds are wandering about what I mean or you meant, tell us what replication are you speaking about in the terms you can use to best describe.

Replicate what to do what? Unless you can tell us what the replication is and what it should be for we won't be able to give an answer.

Mike

[wayne.ct]

Cancelling Lenz Law

I have not tried this yet.

Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

[BroMikey]

Adams?

I have not tried this yet.

Canceling Lenz's Law - Methods

Hey Wayne

I swear that Adams wheel looks like an SG OSC Bedini wheel. Do you know if they are almost the same idea? Same transistor switching circuit? Same magnets passing coils? Same Same?

Or is this the same ole pulse motor stuff everybody has that gives about a MAX of 1.3cop or 130 percent?

I spent a year talking to Bedini's crew and watching them interchange designs getting more OU as the 25 percent mechanical left over was put to use with generator coils yet needing solar panels.

Several thousands of dollars for a large enough machine to charge a big bank of batteries using solar because the practical amounts to run anything are not there without an outside source.

It is a very efficient machine for charging batteries.

To give you all a rough estimate I have watched men on line posting youtube video's in other countries who gotta have these machines and after 5-10,000 dollars of apparatus including solar, they have enough to run a few lights at the end of the day.

Don't get me wrong it is a great experiment for learning the power of efficient energy conversion and is the first step. I just won't be like I use to be thinking 1 battery would give me a full charge in 4 batteries over a 24-36 hours charge time.

You see I didn't have any solar panels.

Practical application.

If I count the LED light bulbs running in my house I would have to say 12-15 bulbs. Each one is 11 watts. The I have a 48 watt LED strip light I built out of 1 watt LEDS. After that I have a six 48" fluorescent tubes each 25 watts.


Now to run those all day and night which I can not do and charge them i need a $10,000 battery set.

The experiment using a Bedini wheel or Adams Wheel using a bike wheel gives no useful amounts of power.

If you spent the same thousands on solar you could actually run a few lights.

John bedini has $30,000 tied up in his big machine as he calls it and is only good for 8 hours doing a few KWH's then needs 36hours to charge back up to get a COP of 10.

He has proved beyond any doubt that Tesla was right and that our gov/run schools are allowing us the whole truth.


It is an excellent beginning for those who want to prove to themselves that 80-90 percent is not the highest COP possible as modern EE schools teach.

All of what John Bedin has left us with is an open door to a beginning and we need to go beyond to a practical machine by building and understanding the table table wheel.

Personally I am a believer that the extra exists and need to move to the next level.

I hope I am not boring everyone stiff.

Mike

[Dog-One]

Interesting circuit...

Came across this simple design the other day and according to the guy that envisioned it, it seems to defy Lenz to some degree on the simulator:



He mentioned that when he places a capacitor across the top winding, which brings this winding into resonance with the AC source, more current can be drawn from the load than the source is outputting. I suspect this could be simulator error, but figured it worthwhile to post it and have a look with other interested parties.

I think the only way to really know is to build it and find out.

[Turion]

Coils are (part of) the Key

I have been working on a generator setup for the past year.

There is a flywheel, a set of coils and rotor, and a small razor scooter motor to run it. Pretty much exactly what John Bedini said to use in the "Free Energy Generation" book, and what Watson used in the "Watson Machine." I have already seen more out than in on this setup, but it has prompted me to investigate coils more thoroughly.

My question is what configuration of coil puts out the MOST power

With that in mind I have built a test bed with a coil between two rotors, each rotor having six magnets on it. It will be run with the same kind of razor scooter motor I am using to run my generator setup. The motor will be connected to a power supply so that I can set the voltage and amp input to the motor. This will allow me to measure the RPM's of the rotor at a set voltage and amperage input with the coil connected to a known load to measure output. Of course I will also have meters on the output to read amps and voyage.

I want to look at:
1. Sizes of wire
2. Numbers of wires
3. Twisted pairs
3. Wires wound in parallel and connected in series
4. Different core materials

All coils will be wound on the same size bobbin so I can compare results as accurately as possible. I would welcome anyone who would like to participate in this kind of experimentation process, because I believe it benefits ALL of us to have the answer to questions like this…unless of course someone has already doe this kind of systematic research and already HAS the answers.

Because I believe that coils are definitely part of the key, I am also in the process of taking the wire from a couple hundred (yes, a couple hundred) coils I have wound over the years and winding one extremely large coil. (EXTREMELY LARGE) My goal is to have a coil so large that there is no way for the current to make it out of the other side of the coil before the magnet passes. Just for kicks.

Dave

[Bob Smith]

Came across this simple design the other day and according to the guy that envisioned it, it seems to defy Lenz to some degree on the simulator:



He mentioned that when he places a capacitor across the top winding, which brings this winding into resonance with the AC source, more current can be drawn from the load than the source is outputting. I suspect this could be simulator error, but figured it worthwhile to post it and have a look with other interested parties.

I think the only way to really know is to build it and find out.

Hey Dog
I remember seeing something very similar to this (if not the same) over on OU by Jacknoskills, I think. He maintained it was performing as you said, tho' I think his windings were caduceus style. I subsequently did some reading up on this kind of winding and found that it has multiple points of resonance.

This seems to be in keeping with the swbf as well, especially in light of what Synchro1 posted there today (Tesla's Coil for Electromagnets thread). Synchro stated that just one pulse to a swbf coil is enough to get it to resonate at its own frequency (he states it better than I). When we look at the caduceus winding, there is also mutual cancellation of magnetic fields. My belief at this point is that this is only part of what's happening - that there's an increased ability to interact with the dielectric medium. The dielectric is, in a sense, like a capacitor - constantly in a state of charge and discharge, tho' never exhausted. If we look at the swbf coil, it has a high capacitance between windings. I believe that due to the interaction of the coils, it has increased interaction with the dielectric medium as well. Perhaps this is one reason why it seems to bring in more energy from outside than other coil configs.
Hope you try this setup. Let us know...
Bob

[Bob Smith]

Dave's Build

Hi Dave
Just a thought - I remember seeing Erfinder's comments about his setup, which seems to share a similarity with yours, tho' it has its differences as well. He talked about passing his rotor magnets by his swbifi coil (if I understood him correctly) so that the "corner spins" of the magnets (and not the whole magnet body) passed by the coils.
He said some pretty neat things about his coils and magnet interactions on this thread, some a propos stuff on this page:
Dissecting Erfinder’s comments - Page 12
FWIW.
Bob

[Dog-One]

Hey Dog
I remember seeing something very similar to this (if not the same) over on OU by Jacknoskills, I think. He maintained it was performing as you said, tho' I think his windings were caduceus style. I subsequently did some reading up on this kind of winding and found that it has multiple points of resonance.

Thank you for your response to this.

You say caduceus winding aay?

Surely you have heard this:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/WBSm...ial%20Coil.mp3

Tensor energy maybe?

This seems to be in keeping with the swbf as well, especially in light of what Synchro1 posted there today (Tesla's Coil for Electromagnets thread). Synchro stated that just one pulse to a swbf coil is enough to get it to resonate at its own frequency (he states it better than I). When we look at the caduceus winding, there is also mutual cancellation of magnetic fields. My belief at this point is that this is only part of what's happening - that there's an increased ability to interact with the dielectric medium. The dielectric is, in a sense, like a capacitor - constantly in a state of charge and discharge, tho' never exhausted. If we look at the swbf coil, it has a high capacitance between windings. I believe that due to the interaction of the coils, it has increased interaction with the dielectric medium as well. Perhaps this is one reason why it seems to bring in more energy from outside than other coil configs.
Hope you try this setup. Let us know...
Bob

The thing about W.B. Smith's statement above that has always fascinated me is that if energy can go in and none comes out, then the process should be reversible. Makes me wonder if the Steven Mark TPU did just that.

Going to get started on something as soon as I can.

[Bob Smith]

Thank you for your response to this.

You say caduceus winding aay?

Surely you have heard this:
http://www.checktheevidence.com/WBSm...ial%20Coil.mp3

Tensor energy maybe?



The thing about W.B. Smith's statement above that has always fascinated me is that if energy can go in and none comes out, then the process should be reversible. Makes me wonder if the Steven Mark TPU did just that.

Going to get started on something as soon as I can.

That was a nice clip from WB Smith. Yes, the caduceus coil is also referred to as the tensor coil, from what I've read. The other name for tensor energy would be scalar energy. If you put [bifilar scalar] into a search engine, you'll find lots. I don't think your standard digital multimeter is going to pick this kind of energy up. This is probably why Smith thought no energy was coming out of the coil. However, this energy (impulses/vectors rather than waves) can be picked up wirelessly and harnessed by a properly configured coil. I would imagine that had Smith had the proper receiving coil(s), he would've been able to transmit and receive the scalar/tensor energy for use wirelessly. As he states in his clip, this kind of energy was being used for military applications. I believe Eric Dollard stated that it was used by RCA until 1917, I think it was, in its broadcasting, after which time they switched over to Herzian waves.

According to EPD, the scalar impulse travels faster than light, and its propagation is near instantaneous because it does so in the modality of counterspace.
Thanks for that clip - a real gem.
Bob

[wantomake]

Tesla pancake coil

Good Labor Day to All,
Thanks Mike for the post #28 and the links. I used the circuit experiment he did with the coil spikes to light the LED.

I built a small version not as Naudin did(good link Matthew) with the wires laying flat, but rather with the doubled wire placed on its side. I used door bell brown wire with the two solid wires inside. I tried the flat lay down approach with little success.

So I tried the Tesla Research Group way and as the switch was closed and opened there was good high flashes on the LED.
AA battery = .5 vdc
LED is christmas light needs 3 vdc to lite
1.2 amps drawn from almost dead battery at each flash ?
When testing for capacitance was high as 1000 or higher at flashes? The faster I moved the switch the higher all readings were.

Question, did the coil produce that amount of current or a dead battery?

So really amazed to observe this. As Turion stated, I believe that a very particular coil will be the answer to cause looped systems, motor/generators, and such to be real.

have a good holiday,
wantomake