Series Wound Bifilar Coil a Doorway for Dielectric Influx?

[asollid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxUsfHHKrM

Hi Bro. Mikey this is the circuit I was having difficulty with-I cant tell what frequency it operates at. Maybe if I check some more of his vids I will find out.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBxUsfHHKrM

[Bob Smith]

Just wondering what kind of inductance-change others see from their pancake coils. I recently wound a nine-inch one from speaker-wire and see the following;

individual coils unconnected measure 12 and 13uH respectively.
wired as inductive-enhance measure 105uH (8-fold increase over each individual coil)
wired as inductive-cancelling measure -20uH.

Yes, that's minus-20 - don't know what to make of that! I presumed at first it was down to a poor battery in my inductance meter, but that proved not to be the case. Also, whereas the DC resistance of both coils in series (where I get the minus quantity) is about 0.7 Ohms, the single 0.3 Ohm coil's inductance measurements have no minus quantity. Can someone explain?

Hey Sprocket
Thanks for sharing that. I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know that the dielectric is counter-spatial. If we are concentrating the magnetic field between opposite windings, perhaps there is something exponential in the magnitude of their interaction that makes this coil a very suitable candidate for use in a circuit designed to tap the dielectric field.
Pretty neat stuff. I suspect that some of the effects of this coil cannot be measured by a DMM due to their counterspatial character.
My 2 cents.
Bob

[sprocket]

Hey Sprocket
Thanks for sharing that. I don't know the answer to your question, but I do know that the dielectric is counter-spatial. If we are concentrating the magnetic field between opposite windings, perhaps there is something exponential in the magnitude of their interaction that makes this coil a very suitable candidate for use in a circuit designed to tap the dielectric field.
Pretty neat stuff. I suspect that some of the effects of this coil cannot be measured by a DMM due to their counterspatial character.
My 2 cents.
Bob

Bob, that little fopaux is best ignored - its down to the cheap & cheerful nature of the meter itself, short the leads and you get -20uH on the display instead of the '0' inductance reading you would expect! I had completely forgotten about this when I posted. At least it seems to bear out one part of "what you would expect" from an bifilar-wound inductor - ie. little or no inductance when wired in 'cancel-mode'.

But the main reason I posted here was that I had come across a video (which I can't find now!) on Youtube where the poster was questioning the prevailing wisdom that wiring a bifilar in inductive-enhance mode would hugely increase the inductance. His coils showed at most a 5% increase in inductance. "Surely not", I thought, after all, my coil above shows a spectacular inductance increase. That was until I wound another bifilar coil, this time with an iron core - 0.5mm wire wrapped on a 8mm core to a length of 100mm. Below are the values I get.

Each wire wrapped but left unconnected measures 43uH.
Bifilar inductance-cancel connected - 0uH (-20uH on my meter)
Bifilar inductance-enhance connected 225uH

Normal-wind using same core/length and same wire - 245uH!!!

So the 'prevailing wisdom' seems to be flat-out wrong! - bifilar-wound coils offer little or no inductance-increase over normally-wound coils. The probable reason for this confusion is the low measured inductance of the individual coils of a bifilar and the presumption that adding their individual inductances would be equal to that of a 'normally-wound' coil - not so! But it makes sense when you further consider that the individual winds of the coil you are measuring are NOT adjacent to one another, but are separated by the interleaving (and unconnected) winds of the second coil.

This is probably old news to you but I have always held the prevailing view! And why is this almost never pointed out, despite the widespread confusion?!?!? I'm also back to wondering what if anything makes a bifilar-wound coil special.

[asollid]

Hi Bob I'm a little confused about the wording- when you say "opposite windings " would that be the same as saying "adjacent windings"?

[Bob Smith]

Hi Bob I'm a little confused about the wording- when you say "opposite windings " would that be the same as saying "adjacent windings"?

Sorry about that. Yes, I was referring to adjacent windings in the series-wound bifilar pancake coil.
Bob

[wantomake]

So much with so little

Sorry about that. Yes, I was referring to adjacent windings in the series-wound bifilar pancake coil.
Bob

Hello Bob,
I'm using different coils of shape and windings in the experiments with the Lockridge device or Ufopolitics modified motor.

The series-wound pancake coil is the most interesting and misunderstood to me.

I think and come to believe that a coil is the answer and missing component to power the above mentioned devices.

I've tried and studied so many ways to make these devices or any to be self powered or operate with very small inputs.

Without proper knowledge and resources I so much to do with so little.

wantomake

[Bob Smith]

Hello Bob,
I'm using different coils of shape and windings in the experiments with the Lockridge device or Ufopolitics modified motor.

The series-wound pancake coil is the most interesting and misunderstood to me.

I think and come to believe that a coil is the answer and missing component to power the above mentioned devices.

I've tried and studied so many ways to make these devices or any to be self powered or operate with very small inputs.

Without proper knowledge and resources I so much to do with so little.

wantomake

Hi Wantomake
I was initially interested in seeing how the series-wound bifilar coil (pancake and solenoidal) could be used with the UFO motors as well. I believe a series bifi winding on a UFO style motor might give you high voltage, low amperage on your output. I don't know how this would affect the motor's performance. I believe Matt Jones has mentioned having had some success (and decent torque) with high voltage/low amperage powered motors, though I don't know if this was using the series wound bifi coil config; perhaps he had another way.

How many poles on the motors you modded? I only worked on 3 and 5 pole motors. MBrownn is another one who's got some novel winding ideas for the UFO motor as well. I haven't really followed the Lockridge device, so I can't comment.
Thanks for the interesting post.
Bob

[wantomake]

Various types

Hello Bob,
Yes me too on the 3 and 5 pole ones. Tried several types but most recent is 14 pole delco remy generator with four field coils. Worked good but I used 17 awg wire and I think was too large. Or coil size. Not sure.

I read how some are trying the bifilar series and parallel winding but don't know their results. I've pondered trying the same,but feel like there must be an exterior component that will hold and step up for voltage or step down for amperage.

Many are trying to use batteries as power sources and then charge them at same time- not something batteries do. I believe there is a coil type that will hold a charge from generator output side of, for example, the ufopolitics device and energize another set of wires to be used by motor side of the same device. The output and input must be separate but influence each other at the same time.

I have found that the trifilar coil test I do finds that the one with aluminum foil tape with wax paper will allow a battery to drain down very slowly and power the load(LED or small motor) at same time. Take off the foil and same circuit will not power the load at all.

Just want to give an idea of what I'm trying to build,
Hope this makes sense,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Farmhand Video

Here is a cw and ccw coil set under testing.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vnUG7G4gWk


Uploaded on Nov 15, 2011

Testing the CCW-CW coils in series arrangement. My test shows me that connecting two oppositely wound secondary coils in series and pulsing the primary with only one CCW primary coil gives the result of halving the voltage when the two secondaries are paralleled and scoped between the center tap and the secondary outer ends joined.

However when a second opposite wound primary is used the voltage is more than doubled rather than halved.

I will do another test soon to see the effect of two CCW series connected secondaries with one CCW Primary as is the other proposed DON Smith coil configuration.

[Bob Smith]

You guys are all missing some real good facts. Look at Naudin's GeneGene replication.

Self inductive coils transmit. Bifiliar non self inductive coils receive. Both do the job very well. Think about it. Core less coupling...???\

Matt

Hey Matt
So if I were to say DC pulse a single strand pancake coil, and set up a series-wound bifilar pancake coil using the same gauge and overall length of wire, I should be able to pick up the DC pulses with the bifilar coil?

I thought that a bifilar non self inductive coil was needed to produce scalar impulses, and that only an identical bifi coil could receive these impulses.
Bob

PS I'm still around, Mike!

[asollid]

non self inductive

Hi Bob thanks for starting this thread. I am not sure how to connect the two windings to get a non-self inductive coil. Do I connect the two windings together at the center?

[Bob Smith]

Hi Bob thanks for starting this thread. I am not sure how to connect the two windings to get a non-self inductive coil. Do I connect the two windings together at the center?

Hi Asolid,
Say we have two wires of equal length and gauge and well call them Wire 1 and Wire 2. Both wires have an A end and a B end. To get the series wound bifilar (self-inductive cancelling), you need to wrap the wires around a core or side-by-side in a spiral, beginning from the middle. Now, take the B end of Wire 1 and attach it to the A end of Wire 2. This means that your free ends will be the A end of Wire 1 and the B end of Wire 2.

I know the self-inductance-cancelling takes place in the flat pancake series-wound coil. I believe it does in the cylindrical-wound coil, but perhaps not as effectively. Still, the cylindrical-wound version has its place, and there are some pretty cool effects being claimed by users, especially when the series-wound bifi cylindrical coil is shorted. From what I've read, it seems to be a means for tapping the dielectric's influx into a coil when properly used in conjunction with a pulsed primary coil.
Bob

[wantomake]

Detail

Hi Asolid,
Say we have two wires of equal length and gauge and well call them Wire 1 and Wire 2. Both wires have an A end and a B end. To get the series wound bifilar (self-inductive cancelling), you need to wrap the wires around a core or side-by-side in a spiral, beginning from the middle. Now, take the B end of Wire 1 and attach it to the A end of Wire 2. This means that your free ends will be the A end of Wire 1 and the B end of Wire 2.

I know the self-inductance-cancelling takes place in the flat pancake series-wound coil. I believe it does in the cylindrical-wound coil, but perhaps not as effectively. Still, the cylindrical-wound version has its place, and there are some pretty cool effects being claimed by users, especially when the series-wound bifi cylindrical coil is shorted. From what I've read, it seems to be a means for tapping the dielectric's influx into a coil when properly used in conjunction with a pulsed primary coil.
Bob

Hello Bob,
What do you mean "used in conjunction with a pulsed primary coil"?

I have the Imhotep radiant charger with the relay, and could one parallel to that pulsed primary coil?

Interesting,
wantomake

[Bob Smith]

Hello Bob,
What do you mean "used in conjunction with a pulsed primary coil"?

I have the Imhotep radiant charger with the relay, and could one parallel to that pulsed primary coil?

Interesting,
wantomake

I Wantomake
Sorry about the delay - Canadian Thanksgiving...
Say you have a wire toroidal core (or perhaps even a ferrite toroid), perhaps six inches in diameter, with the two ends joined together. If you were to take your output from your radiant charger and apply the pulsed charge to a coil wrapped around your wire core, you'd be pulsing the core. If you were to make another coil with series-wound bifilar windings and also wrap it perpendicularly around the core, and short the winding, this is what I'm referring to. There's a few things that can be added, but this is the basic idea.
Bob

Edit: Wantomake, I should have stated that a radiant type of pulse isn't needed for the above setup. A regular relay or even a pulse from a joule thief would work fine, if not better. But good luck just the same.

[Allen Burgess]

Negative ground scouring.

Anyone remember the video where the tester ran a piece of magnet wires from inside a microwave oven to the negative pole of a rechargeable 9 volt battery? He started the oven and the wire fried, but an increased positive charge appeared in the battery as higher voltage?