Basic Free Energy Device

[gyula]

Hi Mario,

That is okay and I accept it but I am afraid the problem is that I did not know (and still do not know) what Matt exactly meant with this sentence he wrote to shylo: "Your always going to have drag at low RPM's because of the attraction of Permanent magnet to the metal."

I have no intension of nit-picking or hairsplitting, my understanding on ferromagnetic materials is they are attracted by permanent magnets in the function of their magnetic permeability, (among other factors of course), so a core with a high permeability is attracted with a greater force than another core with a low permeability (provided other conditions are identical or comparable).

And then Matt continued his above quoted sentence with this: "You can rectify this 2 ways. Use a material that has low attraction but high permeability or" so this is what is a controversy for me and this is why I asked Matt.

I understand and accept Matt's further answers he wrote to me in his 2nd paragraph, I learnt from it.

Greetings,
Gyula

[gyula]

Hi Matt,

Okay I got it and thanks for the further explanation. Looking forward to further details whenever you think it is time.

Regards,
Gyula

[OrthoParameter]

good deal

Glad to hear things are coming together for you Matt...good news for all of us indeed.

[Mario]

Hi Matt,

have you tried a copper core?

Mario

[altrez]

Hello All,

I just wanted to take a moment to share a quick update. My work with the Tesla Switch in both 3 and 4 battery configurations continues. I have seen some pretty interesting things happen over the last year some of them are as follows:

1. The self recharging battery.
2. Condensation form on the charging battery.
3. Impossible runtimes that do not = total amps available.
4. Unlimited energy production when used with HHO an rainwater.

However I can not reproduce anything ever it just happens for some strange damn reason and it %$$@#%@# me off. I can setup everything the exact same way and not get any results. Come back a day later and it works for a short time.

The next area I plan to explore is fully computer controlled batteries that I can write a framework for and get the same results in a lab controlled environment each time. This will be an open source modular system so that users can share their run time code with each other in a very simple way to verify results independently among one another.

More to come in the next few months!



-Altrez

[Turion]

altrez,
That's a great idea, except for one problem, and I think you have already seen this to some extent. Different batteries work differently. And once you charge or discharge a battery, you change it's chemistry so that even the EXACT SAME battery or batteries can produce different results on different days. That is the problem I ran into with the 3BGS. It absolutely works!!!....sometimes.

So just because a particular setting works for one individual with a given battery or batteries, does NOT mean it will work for another individual with the same setup and the same batteries.

I have run HUNDREDS of experiments with the three battery setup over the last 8 years. I had enough batteries so that I sometimes had four different runs going on at the same time with different kinds and sizes of batteries. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that at times I got runs that exceeded the available amp hours in the battery by 10 or more times, but replicating that??? And CONSISTENTLY???? Never happened. I will always work on the 3BGS until I figure it out or die trying, but I think we will run into the same brick wall if we have the expectation that we can come up with a setting at which any setup will work. I think each individual set of batteries will have to be adjusted and tuned. The key, as I see it, is what to look for on a scope when you are having successful runs, and then adjust settings on your setup until you see THAT on your scope. I think it will be different settings for almost every group of batteries and will in all probability be very dependent on the load. We would all be better off investing in a digital oscilloscope that can be recored onto a computer, so as we make a run, that run can be recorded. Then when there are successful runs, the data from those can be compared until a picture begins to form of what we need to be looking for.

Dave

[altrez]

altrez,
That's a great idea, except for one problem, and I think you have already seen this to some extent. Different batteries work differently. And once you charge or discharge a battery, you change it's chemistry so that even the EXACT SAME battery or batteries can produce different results on different days. That is the problem I ran into with the 3BGS. It absolutely works!!!....sometimes.

So just because a particular setting works for one individual with a given battery or batteries, does NOT mean it will work for another individual with the same setup and the same batteries.

I have run HUNDREDS of experiments with the three battery setup over the last 8 years. I had enough batteries so that I sometimes had four different runs going on at the same time with different kinds and sizes of batteries. There is NO DOUBT in my mind that at times I got runs that exceeded the available amp hours in the battery by 10 or more times, but replicating that??? And CONSISTENTLY???? Never happened. I will always work on the 3BGS until I figure it out or die trying, but I think we will run into the same brick wall if we have the expectation that we can come up with a setting at which any setup will work. I think each individual set of batteries will have to be adjusted and tuned. The key, as I see it, is what to look for on a scope when you are having successful runs, and then adjust settings on your setup until you see THAT on your scope. I think it will be different settings for almost every group of batteries and will in all probability be very dependent on the load. We would all be better off investing in a digital oscilloscope that can be recored onto a computer, so as we make a run, that run can be recorded. Then when there are successful runs, the data from those can be compared until a picture begins to form of what we need to be looking for.

Dave

Hi Dave,

Yes I have pondered the problem of different batteries and how they react differently to the 4 or 3 configuration. And because of this we always will hit a road block with end users trying to replicate.

It is my goal to make a battery that I can completely detail in every aspect that can be made across the board and replicated easily. We will never have a basic free energy device without a common set of batteries that work. Theses have to be hand made, store bought batteries have way too many differences to make this project easy to reproduce.

For most people the skill set needed to fine tune with a scope will lead them to frustration. Lets take that part out of the system. We can come up with the correct mixture to form a perfect battery that will behave the way we want it to 90% of the time.



-Altrez

[Turion]

1. Motor---Matt's Pulse motor
2. Generator---We have some definite possibilities, and Matt has something in mind he is going to share
3. Circuit---I have said that the basic 3BGS circuit will get you where you want to be, as long as you switch batteries around, but I have also said that there are some things you can do to that basic circuit to improve it. And that somebody here should be able to figure out how to switch the position of the two batteries in series with the two batteries in parallel. I have seen schematics for that in several places and have used a couple myself when building versions of the Tesla switch. In fact, I have a few boards already put together that will do the job. But improvement on the basic designs what we are looking for, so I have hopes someone will come up with something that is even better.

But back to the basic 3BGS circuit. Here is a little "boost" I have been using to get increased performance out of the 3BGS. It needs some experimenting to get the best performance, because it has a tuning pot on it, but it is something to extend the runs for a long time. I was able to run one motor turning a second motor as generator powering some small loads, charge the secondary batteries to 12.6 and the primaries (while they dropped a little initially) recovered to within .02 after a four hour run. The secondary batteries were old, but fully charged on a conventional charger, then discharged at less than the C20 rate to 12.2 volts. They charged up to 12.8 volts during the charging cycle, but dropped overnight to 12.6, which is a bit higher than they started out before I discharged them. Like I said, they were OLD batteries.

The circuit is attached. I used a little boost module that takes the place of the box on the circuit that has + and - in and + and - out. I thought of boosting the input to the motor and talked to Matt about it. He is the one who came up with this actual circuit and suggested this boost module, whichI tried because it was so CHEAP!!

The boost module can be found here:
120W DC DC Converter Boost Car Charger 10 32V to 35 60V Step Up Moudle 12V 24V | eBay

There are other versions of this same module on eBay that are sold in the US that you can get faster and cheaper.

[shylo]

Hi Dave , I don't know if you tried this or not.
I am running a modified version of Matts motor with the 3BGS. But I coupled it to a motor out of a cordless saws-all.
With out the saws-all powered the dead battery charges, I connect the saws-all to the dead battery which now assists in rotation of Matts motor , the dead battery starts dropping and the primaries charge.
But when the primaries are charging the saws-all and it's connections get very hot very fast at higher voltages.
If I pull the dead battery down to 8 volts , It doesn't get hot only warm and I have increased primary voltage.
I need to do more runs and longer rest times ,just to be sure.
Just thought I'd mention it.
artv

[Turion]

Shylo,
I haven't tried that. Will have to play around with it a bit and see what I can come up with.

I have said that we need several parts for the Basic Free Energy Device.
1. Pulse Motor
2. Generator
3. Run it on a 3BGS type circuit on the potential difference
4. A flywheel to smooth things out and store energy.

Here is some of what I have been working with on the 3BGS type circuit for a basic device.

I had a thought a while back about the fact that the motor seems to increase the voltage coming from the two batteries in series before it gets to the 3rd battery, which is part of what allows the 3rd battery to charge. With that in mind, I asked Matt if there wasn't a way we could boost the voltage coming out of the motor to REALLY charge battery 3, and he came up with a circuit which I have been playing around with for a while now. I get different results depending on the "Boost Module" I am using and the voltage that hits battery 3. I have two batteries in parallel as my 3rd battery and two primaries in series. The goal for me has been to
1. Run a motor
2. Turn a generator
3. Use generated voltage to power a small load
4. Keep the primaries from discharging too far down
5. Charge the secondary (parallel) batteries quickly

I did a number of runs prior to my trip to Arizona, and now that I am back, I intend to do many, many more. What I am seeing is that I can get increases in my charge batteries that are far greater than the losses in my primary batteries while still running a motor as generator and powering a small load.

The simple boost module I am using is here: 150W DC-DC Boost Converter 10-32V to 12-35V 6A Step Up Voltage Charger Power

A video of the setup I am running is here:
Boost Circuit - YouTube

My latest test results for a 30 minute run are as follows.

The two primary batteries in series:
Battery One start voltage 12.59 end 12.56 (after two hour rest)
Battery Two start voltage 12.54 end 12.50 (after two hour rest)

The two batteries in parallel
Battery Three start voltage 12.39 end 12.57 (after two hour rest)
Battery Four start voltage 12.48 end 12.58 (after two hour rest)

The idea would be to then flip the two batteries in series with the two batteries in parallel and continue to use the motor to run a generator powering a load. It is kind of like a tesla switch, except with a motor and the boost circuit where the transformers would go.

I hope some folks will give this a try. I hate it when I am the only one beating my head against the wall. It's way more fun when others are denting their heads along side me.

Dave

[Turion]

Circuit update

Long term runs, minor losses to primaries, higher gains to charge batteries. Switching positions of batteries between each of several LONG runs shows net gains on ALL batteries. Basically the motor runs the generator "for free" . Period.

It boils down to what is the best generator to attach to the motor. Matt has things in the works, and there is the Mr. Angus Wangus videos to consider.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsy2TvOIjw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED7_O5D4Eww

The only concern now is whether this circuit causes long term harm to the batteries...shortens their usable life span. Only time will tell.

Matt will probably still share info on the generator when he finishes it. I know he has been plugging away at it in between trying to make a living.

We made a commitment to give you all the pieces. You have them. Nobody seems to be interested anymore anyway. Not a single post here in a few weeks. If we are the only ones contributing, I see no reason to waste time posting when I could be researching
Adios

Dave

[Tishatang]

Hi Dave
Please keep posting any updates. I am sure others like me are interested in your work. Times are very stressful right now. As for me, I have not touched my bench since I saw you when you picked up the McCullough generator. I think age catching up to me, now 78.

I have crazy idea looking at your latest setup. Since you are now using parallel charge batteries, maybe you could insert a metal plate between them? This plate could be connected to an aerial or a ground to couple to the environment as an open ended system. Or maybe connect a large capacitor between the plate and ground. Maybe collect extra energy?

When I briefly hooked up the three bat system, I was getting a 16k to 18k hertz freq on my counter. I am hoping the plate and capacitor can collect something extra the batteries can't?

Chris

[Turion]

TIME TO GET BUSY AND BUILD
Chris,
Long time no see! Sorry to hear you haven't been back at it. From what I saw, you had some things worth exploring on that bench of yours.

Here's some data for you

Run time 30 minutes.
Battery #1 Start 12.45 End 12.22 After 1 hour rest 12.39
Battery #2 Start 12.43 End 12.23 After 1 hour rest 12.37
Battery #3 Start 12.41 End 12.76 After 1 hour rest 12.48
Battery #4 Start 12.41 End 12.85 After 1 hour rest 12.54

Rotate pairs of batteries
Run time 30 MORE minutes

Battery #1 (Moved to 3rd position) End 12.67 After 1 hour rest 12.55
Battery #2 (Moved to 4th position) End 12.67 After 1 hour rest 12.52
Battery #3 (Moved to 1st position) End 11.15 After 1 hour rest 12.44
Battery #4 (Moved to 2nd position) End 12.31 After 1 hour rest 12.50

If you look at the voltages, ALL batteries gained in voltage.

During the run, the stock razor scooter motor was powering a second razor scooter motor used as a generator. That generator was outputting 12 volts at .45 amps to the load, which was a 12 volt electric fan rated at .8 amps. (but only drawing.45)

At a MINIMUM, that's 5.4 watts of power used to run the fan plus 48 watts of power used to run the motor turning the generator, for a total of 52 watts of power used with ZERO losses to the batteries...in fact, a GAIN in voltage. I think that might qualify as COP>1. What do you think?


I believe this shows what is possible. There is still lots of experimenting to be done here. The output voltage of the boost circuit should be experimented with to see what produces the best results. There should be a hundred people taking a look at this. I JUST SHOWED YOU HOW TO POWER A GENERATOR FOR FREE. Will it work long term? I have no idea. Will it kill the batteries? I have no idea. But when you can run a motor for 8 or 9 hours for free, that's a pretty decent first step.

Bob French is going to post some results, I believe. He has been running with only TWO batteries instead of FOUR, and he has been getting some good results. Yesterday he sent me an e-mail with what he said was "disappointing results" for that run. He ran for 9 hours and broke even instead of getting an increase in voltage on his batteries. I told him there were people on the forum who would wet their pants if they could get a motor to run for 9 hours for "free." He has had MANY runs where the voltages climbed with just two batteries, but he has not been putting a load on his motor, and has been using a much smaller brushed dc motor. If I remember correctly, he has used a couple different motors and gotten better results with the bigger motor, but I will let Bob report his OWN results.

If you do runs with loads that don't pull your primaries too far down, they will recover well, and if you rotate the batteries between runs you are going to see an overall gain on the voltages in your batteries. Don't take my word for it. Set the silly thing up on YOUR bench and check the results with YOUR meters, and then let's use a pulse motor. And then let's add that Lenz free generator. And then lets put together a circuit to automatically switch out the batteries for us with one set always resting.

One of the reasons I am so excited about what Bob has been doing is because if it works with two batteries, you can build a circuit with three and always have one resting.

Anyway, there are the test results. I posted video of the setup and the circuit a while back. All I have left to do is some really long term runs to see the ultimate effect on the batteries. I really don't know what else I can give you guys to get anyone interested in this.

Oh, and here's a little tidbit. I did all this without discussing a single theory about why it should or shouldn't work. I just built it and experimented with it, and when I had an idea, I tried it out for MYSELF instead of trying to cram it down anyone else's throat. When I needed help, I asked someone for help. Not a single person (except Matt) knew I was going to build this until I built it. I didn't come on here and talk about what I was going to do and share all kinds of theories to be debated. I built it, tested it, and then posted my results. No theory necessary. NOW we can theorize about why it works and how we can improve it, but please, if you have a theory about how it can be improved, build it yourself and then try your theory on your OWN build. If it works, come report to us what you have

[voltan]

nice work dave.

[shylo]

rebuild

Hi All, I was running using 3 sets of brushes , 1 for drive , the other 2 for charge , When you try to dump charge back to the run ,everything gets hot.
So then I figured charge caps ,shut off the supply , and dump the caps into the off drive.( hence the switch I need)

It was working pretty good until the drive brushes shorted to the collectors, lots of smoke and burnt wires.
Rebuilding right now ,that won't happen again.
With the 3BGS , I was charging #3 and #2 of the primaries, and #1 was losing only hundredth's of a volt.
The gains in #2-3 well out weighted the loss in #1.
If I had some way to rotate the batteries automatically , I think it would run till the bearings give out or the plates in the battery fail.

Matt, you talked about shorting the coils with no plasma spark, that spark destroys ,connections , comm segments and diodes, I'm trying to do it so there is no damage.
Is it possible?
artv