Basic Free Energy Device

[bobfrench@fastmail.fm]

desa David,

Yes, I balanced the motor. It was 40' each side of 6 strands of 30AWG, Litzed. I had plenty of room left over. Dave put 80' of the same. He's looking for his tach, but said it pulled strong.

My results were done with a single Battery, about 11.98V under load. The 3BGS will run about the same, but the voltage keeps changing as Battery 3 rises. The voltage is often between 9 & 11V.

You have to laugh to keep from crying sometimes. lol If you get too serious with this stuff, it will eat you alive.

Bob

[Matthew Jones]

desa David,

Yes, I balanced the motor. It was 40' each side of 6 strands of 30AWG, Litzed. I had plenty of room left over. Dave put 80' of the same. He's looking for his tach, but said it pulled strong.

My results were done with a single Battery, about 11.98V under load. The 3BGS will run about the same, but the voltage keeps changing as Battery 3 rises. The voltage is often between 9 & 11V.

You have to laugh to keep from crying sometimes. lol If you get too serious with this stuff, it will eat you alive.

Bob

Thats what the boost converters are for...

[bobfrench@fastmail.fm]

Right. Good point.

Bob

[Turion]

Motor

Bob is correct. I wound each side of my motor with six strands 80" long of #6 and it fit 75 turns in each slot. Unfortunately, when I had the second side almost done, two of the strands broke, and I was forced to cut 20 feet off that side to get to a point where all the wires would be the same length. I then rewound that side with 40 turns in each slot, and rewound the other side the same. It runs with a LOT of torque, but I haven't tuned it because I can't find my tach. I ordered another one which should be here any day now. As soon as that gets here, I'll let you all know how it turns out.

Desa, I am curious why you say that 40 feet of llitzed wire is the max the motor can take???? I know 80' of litzed will fit because I just wound one with that much, and it was the smaller of the three rotors they make for they MY1016. The larger motors are 1/2 inch wider and will hold even MORE wire.

Dave

[desa]

@ Dave.
40 each side,, sorry I was not more precise. I had leftover so your count 75 something is just about perfect. It depends how snug one can fit it.
Stay tuned for my next post it is barn burner.

[desa]

End of the road.

If I sound extremely enthusiastic and overstep the boundaries please forgiv me and if my measurements are in error I ask for same. As you can see in attachment this is my setup. I run it for hours tuning and tuning. Had many tweeks and finally it is self regulating and running at no cost to primaries.
I know it is to much to say after all that was done by all who replicated so I must first say my hat is off to you Matt and Dave. If it was not for you and you self less sharing and prompting us to get our hand dirty I would not be here reporting on such wonderful results. The testing and tuning is a buger. It really has to be a perfect balance on charging and consuming side and when I say perfect that is exactly that. Whatever comes in must come out and batteries stay absolutly still. After 2.5 hours of running I have not seen a single intention to deviate one side or another. In the start of test I used light 20w 24V to add load but it was singular load and I could not variate to balance system. Every time I added load my motor would speed up and no matter where buck converter was adjusted. I finally decided to use warriable resistor load directly on batery 3. Firstly I adjusted buck converter with motor running independently of anything and got 15.5 V set on it, than I pluged it in the circuit end let it run. In the beginning I drained 2 primaries and was about to rest and put the charger to start from beginning. But as I turned resistor little more I hit the sweet spot. Motor run little slower and voltage on the motor input dropped. Batteries calmed down and rested on the same voltage for the duration of the runn. Now all the numbers can be extrapolated from what you can see in the attachment and we can beat it debate it as long as we want but final outcome is going to be same. It is inposible to run 1.3A load from batteries for 2.5 hours and drain down nothing. Point finale. On top of it the acing on the cake is shaft torque for free and more icing on the free cake is resistive heat on the resistor. As you can see it alone is 13.3 X 1.2 = 15.9 W of usable power. Without resistive load we are running at recirculating power of 1.2 A. With resistor on it only bumps up to 1.3 so don't confuse your observation with matching amps on two amp meters. It is part of system but running independently as a load and only to balance two side of equivsion. At this moment it is best I managed. I know we need more testing and longer duration but let's be frank. If you ever run the motor off the batteries in amps I presented you would be as excited as I am. So get you hands dirty replicate prove it or disapprove it, there is something here. If this is indeed what we were looking for all this years let's explore it and put it to good use. It is time for a change. Thank you Dave, Thank you Matt you are my heroes.
David.image.jpg

[desa]

Here is runn without variable resistor. image.jpg

[Turion]

Old times

Desa,
So you ended up running an adjustable load (resistor) directly on battery three? LOL

This is EXACTLY what I TOLD people back in the original 3BGS thread!!!
I would add a tiny load to battery 3 and the motor would speed up. Wait about five minutes as the system tried to equalize itself. If you have the RIGHT load, the motor will speed up AGAIN. If it doesn't, the load is either too big or too small. I did this trial and error until I got my load on battery 3 balanced with the load on the motor. Those were my instructions for balancing the system 8 YEARS ago, but nobody listened!!!

[desa]

Shematics

image.jpgBetter late than never my friend. Yes load on bat 3. It is variable potential that is neceserly to balace two opposing forces sides by side. It is many parameters that have to be managed but it can be done. It is hard to wrap the brain around it and I have lot's to think about it to sort it out. It is bloody programming we have to shake off. Your hard work is here for all to see. Thank you again.
Shematics as the last test inclouded in attachment.
David.

Desa,
So you ended up running an adjustable load (resistor) directly on battery three? LOL

This is EXACTLY what I TOLD people back in the original 3BGS thread!!!
I would add a tiny load to battery 3 and the motor would speed up. Wait about five minutes as the system tried to equalize itself. If you have the RIGHT load, the motor will speed up AGAIN. If it doesn't, the load is either too big or too small. I did this trial and error until I got my load on battery 3 balanced with the load on the motor. Those were my instructions for balancing the system 8 YEARS ago, but nobody listened!!!

[Turion]

Testing

I remember from the testing I did years ago on this that when I increased the load on the motor, I once again had to balance it by adjusting the load on battery 3, but I was able to go back and forth running larger and larger loads by balancing it with a larger load on battery 3. I'm sure you will see this when you experiment more with this setup

[Turion]

Funny thing

But here's the funny thing. There are like five people in the whole world posting their results here. Does that mean nobody else is working on this, or that they are keeping everything to themselves in the hopes of running off to patent something? Or does it mean that only five people in the whole world are smart enough to realize what has been shared on this thread? I hear people on other threads excited about the POSSIBILITY of 100 watts in and 300 watts out, and I have seen better than that with generators attached to this motor made with plywood and a hot glue gun. I would be the first to admit that I don't always share everything here, but I still share more than I probably SHOULD if I ever want make any money off this stuff. Anyway we will just keep on working and see where it gets us.

Dave

[soundiceuk]

I'm really glad a replication has been made.

I had a dabble on a small scale but never had the money spare to buy a motor.

My understanding is that there are countless people out there wanting to jump on the bandwagon. However most folks haven't got much of a pot to get involved.

However, when they are convinced positive results are guaranteed they will be able to convince there wife's that the money is worth spending!

[Turion]

Motor

This is as cheap as you are likely to find one except at the junk yard, and free shipping. Junked ones are the best.
Electric scooter motor MY1016-B, 24VDC, 250W, 6 | eBay

But it isn't just the motor. You have to have batteries, wire, and all the parts to build a generator to run with the motor. "Free" energy isn't really "free" now is it?

[Duncan]

How convenient.

Illusionists make videos of things everyone KNOWS are fake, .....everyone still wants to see them.


You have PRESUMED videos of something REAL, but wont post same?

Illogical.







Thats backwards ...it goes........



hypothesis
theory
working mental theory
retroductive analysis of feasibility
working model
experiment with model
reproduce results
have others verify results
Get patent and show other working device / invention.

I can't help but agree and amplify this. I find I can't build or progress anything with out a hypothesis of some description - an idea at least,here's 1,2,and 3 of the list (if you like)
I did (in the past) play about with parts of this and at one point had the remarkable sight of watching the front side and battery post of a 12 volt Gel cell which had been abandoned for years freeze up whilst supplying considerable energy. a sight and effect I wont ever forget.
whilst constant building and experimenting must eventually work (I guess) I'm reminded of The infinite monkey theorem. It states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type a given text, - (The works of William Shakespeare for instance.)
This was the approach of Edison and whilst it did achieve great things it drew this observation from Tesla
“If he [Thomas Edison] had a needle to find in a haystack, he would not stop to reason where it was most likely to be, but would proceed at once with the feverish diligence of a bee, to examine straw after straw until he found the object of his search. … Just a little theory and calculation would have saved him ninety percent of his labor.”
Tesla
I have of course continued to consider and probe what I watched , Its impossible not to as I'm sure all of you who have seen one of these batteries kick in and start producing well know. It gets well and truly under the skin. almost every aspect could be accurately re-produced by any reader with the exception of the state of one battery. That bug bear the eternal 'bad battery'
There was much in common with most of the Basic free energy systems embedded in the 3BGS and its worth noting some of the glaring and obvious . The circuit must be open or opened at some point this seems to apply to all COP>1 circuits. The battery (alas) alters and rejuvenates. you could in a certain light view a capacitor as an open circuit and also the battery as a giant capacitor with some degree of crystallized sulphation as a dielectric. Lets take a capacitor and the very simplest circuit possible and a 'bad battery' to validate the claim. This circuit isn't new or novel Its been around for many years, what isn't usually noted is it rejuvenates lead acid batteries. It isn't noted as COP+1 although George Wiseman uses a variation of it to legally spin household energy meters backwards. I've read Georges work however he makes his living by selling his research and so the best I can do here is post this which certainly gives the circuit and the idea
Capacitive Battery Charger - John Saves Energy
You will gather that 'tuning' such as it is is done by switching in and out capacitors whilst trying to get close to a PF (power factor) of zero. This power factor refers to phase angle and zero power factor in electronics speak (as opposed to heavy power) is resonance. I should also point out that there are two very distinct resonances in electrical circuits - series and parallel with very different waveforms and very different effects. It is only series resonance that concerns as we must have an open system.
John Bedini relies on lead acid batteries and this effect in a deal of his systems. Resonance results in reactive current John realized this long ago and says this -

After my 35 years of experiments with the term "free energy" and "over unity machines". This is what it turns out to be "Reactive power" and that's it.

Bedini
Ah ah - not so fast hombre - what of the battery ? admitted some have seen COP>1 in spades whilst others live in hope. some have built SSGs that run and run and run others have tried and tried and tried
I am at something of an advantage here as I once saw the battery ice (you can believe that or not as you please) Its easy to doubt it myself as years pass . still I believe what I saw and the only rational explanation I have is The peltier effect is at work in that crystal structure inside the battery during resonance. (only at resonance does energy transform)
https://van.physics.illinois.edu/qa/...g.php?id=19853
So now we are sub atomic and yet still pondering whence this secret stash of energy might come from .
It is my feeling that this huge energy input from the ambient surroundings and particularly 'ground' at resonance is hugely assisted by the 'fractal antenna' pattern of sulphated crystals. going back to the quote I start this post with and a hypnosis for 'the missing x factor'--- here is a little history on fractal structure - The structure of the Chrystal's in this bug bear of a battery !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s65DSz78jW4
There is yet another step in this hypothesis for the battery by extension also becomes a phenomenally
efficient antenna and receiver. It should be considered that as a rule of thumb the higher a frequency the antenna becomes physically smaller. regardless - Note what happened when this fractal technology is applied to Radio antenna's by Nathan Cohen. At high frequency inside the rotten battery ?? there's the hypothesis bit!

[Turion]

Theory

Duncan,
It's been a while since we were room mates at the original energy conference, discussing the 3 Battery System until late into the night. After years of research with no successful replication of my original device because of a failure to find a"bad" battery that would work, I have split my research into two tracks. While I continue to search for that "bad" battery (and I believe flipping the magnetic polarity on a battery is the key) I am also looking at what a 3 Battery System composed of 3 GOOD batteries is capable of. Not wishing to continue to drag others into the haystack looking for that (bad battery) needle, I have abandoned that thread, and started this one to talk about the part the 3 Battery System can play as a part of a larger system.

So let's talk about the "Theory" behind this thread and that larger system.

I said we needed several parts to create a Basic Free Energy Device. A motor, a flywheel, a circuit, and a generator.

We need a motor that will give us enough torque to turn our generator on as little power as possible, while running between the positives on a three battery system. Matt's rewound motor is a great candidate for that and it is simple to build from an existing off the shelf motor. Something anyone can replicate with a little work. Matt has done it. I have done it. Bob French has done it Desa has done it, and I would venture to say there are others. What is special about the motor? It is deigned as a pulse motor without having to use any timing circuit to pulse it. An off the shelf motor run with a timing circuit will do the SAME thing, but NOT AS EFFICIENTLY and we are trying to build the most efficient system. Matt's original prototype used an off the shelf motor with a timing circuit to pulse it and he had a COP>2 without recovering the energy used to run his motor which can be done with the RIGHT circuit (The 3 Battery System)

Why run it on the 3 Battery System? When the motor, or some other device that contains a coil that pulses is run between the positives, you get EXTENDED run times from that device. By that I mean that if you took the three batteries and put them in parallel and ran your motor (or other device) off them, it would run LONGER when run on the three battery system. If the batteries are ROTATED, the run time is longer still. If the boost module is used, the run time is longer still. The primaries go down, but battery 3 goes up. The "theory" is that the energy in the primaries moves THROUGH the load (motor) without being consumed by it and ends up in battery 3 on the other side of the load. There are some losses to friction, so it won't run forever, but it WILL run longer than normal. Here are the FACTS behind that, not theory...One of the MAIN parts of this small motor are the two coils that are used to power it. Those coils are inductors. An inductor does not store a charge in its magnetic field, but rather energy. When the magnetic field is allowed to collapse, the inductor will spontaneously generate a voltage. The voltage is usually much HIGHER than any voltage which was previously applied to the inductor, so one voltage goes into the motor and a HIGHER voltage comes out. If that voltage is higher than the voltage on battery three, battery three is CHARGED not only by the primaries, but by the motor acting as a "generator".

So because of the rewound motor and the 3 Battery system we have a motor we can use to do work that "costs" us far less than it should. If built correctly, that motor and circuit can produce considerable work at nearly NO COST at all. I know, because I have built it. So has Matt. Peter Lindemann just demonstrated that it works at the last energy conference. He has expressed his opinion, based on his research, to me, but it was in an email from him and I haven't asked his permission to share that here. Let's just say I doubt if he would be exhibitig it in public at a conference if he didn't believe it had some merit. Of course that is my opinion.

Now what is needed is a Lenz free generator to run with that motor. Once you have THAT, you have a "system" that will put out "free" energy.

I have a generator that works and speeds up under load. Matt did the math and we changed the coils around until we got the MOST output which lessened the speeding up under load, but it still speeds up about 10 rpm per coil.

It runs on 24 volts at 10 amps or 240 watts, and it puts out over a thousand watts. And remember, you get back over 90% of what goes INTO the motor because it goes THROUGH the motor to battery 3. I have no idea if this is the BEST generator that can be built, but it works.

The important part about the generator is not what it puts OUT, but that it runs loads without reflecting back to the motor and slowing it down.

As for the "theory" behind the Lenz free generator, I am not going to go into that here. Lots of folks have talked about it and lots of folks have built them and shown them on YouTube. They CAN be built. I referred everyone here to the videos of Mr. Angus Wangus, since Than Heinz seems to have taken most of his down.

Right now, on this thread, we have shown both the motor and the circuit, as well as the circuit for rotating the batteries. We haven't disclosed anything about OUR generator, but building a generator is NOT rocket science.If you use high impedance coils like Thaine Heinz, you will get speed up under load and you will get output from the coils. Craftsmanship will determine if the output exceeds the input, but since almost ALL of the input can be recovered in the circuit we have shown, that isn't too difficult.

That's it. That's where we are now. I'm sure others who are more technically minded will have better theory for you, but I've shared what I understand about all of this.

Dave