Basic Free Energy Device

[Turion]

Spanish to English Translation Anyone?

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/0...2119690_B1.pdf

[voltan]

hi dave. i haven't tried it yet.it looks like these motors start at about 10 dollars with shipping from china on ebay.hobby stores might sell them for not a lot more.
it comes down to separating the windings at the Y junction and mounting a reliable terminal for the 3 additional wires.
normally motor efficiency with these is around 70-85%. if the proposed timing scheme can run these motors and if it can double that efficiency,then we will have something to play with.
some new pancake axial flux motors are said to be 95-98% efficient.over time these will probably make a better motor/energizer,but for now,bldc rc motors are common and affordable.and the required modification shouldn't be too hard,less so if you have experience modifying computer fans.it depends on whether the 3 wire connection can be got at sufficiently to separate/isolate the phases or add a 4th wire for a center tap.and then room for mounting an extra wire or 3 wire terminal and leading out the wires.if it helps,it looks like removing a circlip at the back of the shaft allows the motor to be separated.this might not be necessary,but if you do it watch for washers inside and out,and reassemble the same. here's a pic of one model with great access to the windings.
i'm confident that they will run well with the mod and the proposed timing system,but the proof is in actually building and evaluating it.
cheers.

[wrtner]

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/0...2119690_B1.pdf

I found it here and there is a translate button into almost any language you might choose except English (and Klingon)

Espacenet - Bibliographic data

[jettis]

BroMikey,
He shows you what he is doing? Really? How is it all hooked together? What is the circuit? I can't tell WHAT he is doing from that video, but I do know he said it was a BRUSHLESS motor. That alone tells me volumes. If all you want is videos, I have posted a TON of videos of running a motor between the positives. Take a look at my YouTube channel.

Dave

Hi all,

The brushless motor is out of a HP 5550 printer, there are 8 magnetic poles around the rotor, alternating north and south. The stator has 12 poles, I wound two wire lengths (one for a trigger and the other for the power winding) around 4 stator poles, so the four coils are wound in series. Resistance is low because you cannot fit much wire on all the stator pole pieces, I simply filled each pole piece to maximum fill and did not count my turns. You can find these brushless motors on eBay, look under printer motors or even look for a brushless washing machine motor... If you want something bigger to play with. See pics below

John Bedini has stated that "Bad batteries are usually sulphated and no movement in ions or electrons Can take place." In my opinion we need maximum "ion movement" or highly efficient recharge capability for the three or four battery system to work properly. We do not want to waste energy we only want to shuttle energy from one battery to the next while taking mechanical via the coils of a low resistance load... which can be a brushless motor configured in SG fashion.

With the SG we also get this effect. "What caused the battery to charge was an energy flip or a magnetic reversal which causes the di-pole to compress and then expand where the energy exceeds the short circuit voltage with a huge spike. This is not Back EMF as back EMF is always lower than the battery voltage. It’s the compression in the magnetic field. When the current is released the gathered radiant surrounding energy in vectors is compressed and released and that energy is much increased in voltage not current. This works like an expanding and contracting balloon. Another analogy is the combustion engine. Think about what I just said to you all.
John Bedini"

Has anyone considered this important analogy above by John? My two cents on his statment is as follows.... The internal combustion engine has a condition that can literally remove material from the piston, this removed material will simply look like a large piece of the piston just fell off into the combustion chamber. This is called detonation... It also has been known to shatter large refinery vessels, made from very thick steel, perhaps 12" thick into large segments that are thrown literally into the air. The force is tremendous... These detonation pressures have very high rise times and great pressures. That is what we are also looking for in fast switch times of our electrical SG machines... The equivalent of mechanical detonation.

So in my opinion again... it is very important that we allow the free movements of the ions for the SG to have maximum energy recycling capability, we also need fast switching and low resitance coils to not generate any heat losses. That is the way I see it currently...

Dave Wing

[jettis]

Don't know why I could not post more than one pic from my ipad... So I posted again. The pic below corresponds to my previous post, it shows the configuation of the small brushless motor. I run that same brushless motor in John Bedini's Gen mode as well. The possibilities of this system are great and need to be explored further. If one can grasp all this in its simplicity a mechanical tesla switch may be envisioned???
-Dave Wing

[altrez]

Hello,

I am still working hard on my Tesla Switch config. Something that I find pretty interesting is using a battery as the load. I have been charging batteries directly attached to the PWM and it seems to work really good.

At this point I am still running tests, they so far look promising.

I also just purchased this:

TESLA SWITCH

It looks really good and should shed more light on the setup.

-Altrez

[Bob Smith]

http://www.oepm.es/pdf/ES/0000/000/0...2119690_B1.pdf

Dave,
Here's the first bit. I haven't checked things over, and the syntax is a little wonky - no periods in the original document; just lots of commas. Hope it helps. Pretty busy this week, but if I have time will do some more. At least it'll give you an idea.
Bob

Page 1
Spanish office of patents and trademarks
Spain
Publication No. 2119 690
Application No. 960-1498
H02K 53/00
Patent Application
Date of Presentation: 04-07-96
Date of Publication of Application 01-10-98
Date of Publication of Application Dossier 01-10-98
Applicant/s: José Luis García del Castillo (followed by his address, Escarchada …)
Agent: Isern Cuyas, María Luisa

Title: Autonomous System of Energetic Regeneration

Summary:
The system comprises an electric traction motor (2), a principal generator (2), some auxiliary generators (3), a battery (4), a charge regulator (5) and a speed regulator (6).
The system aims to generate energy for its own function and in addition, to supply extra for other ends.

Page 2

Description
Field of invention
The present Invention Patent refers to an autonomous system of energetic regeneration which contributes to the function for which it is destined, various advantages which will be disclosed further along, apart from other [advantages] inherent to its organization and constitution [make-up].
Antecedents of the invention
There have been known from earlier times those machines destined to produce electric current, they were known by the generic name of generators of electric current, consisting in rotating machines which transform mechanical potential into electrical potential as a consequence of alternating action between a magnetic field and a moving conductor.
Nevertheless, the various types of generators which make up the current state of this technology require the help of a motor, whose mechanical potential transforms into electrical energy requiring of said motor a consumption or source of independent energy which must be administered in a continual manner.
In this way, then, there is not known in the current state of this technology a system capable of generating its own energy for [its] functioning, in addition to providing an extra amount to be applied to other ends.

Summary of the Invention
The petitioner of the current Patent of Invention has conceived an autonomous system of electrical regeneration, capable of producing its own energy of function generating in excess for its application in electrical grids, which by way of converters of tension supplying as required in whichever electrical installation, such as homes, offices, stores, etc., being possible to reach places where the electrical grid has difficulty reaching, that which permits its use as a source of alternative energy equal to that of solar or eolic.
Other explanations would be in the field of self-propulsion, such as a propulsor of motorcycles, vehicles, etc. connecting the system to motor means and in this way obtaining movement.
In general terms, the system comprises the following basic components
1. An electric traction motor
2. A principal generator
3. Various auxiliary generators
4. A battery or accumulator
5. A charge retulator and distributor of potential
6. A regulator of speed.

[Turion]

Basic Free Energy Device

Thanks Bob,

This looks like another example of what I have been pushing here. That we HAVE all the necessary components to do this. We just have to put them all together.

We should begin with the BEST pulse motor we can come up with. I intend to test Matt's modified pulse motor in comparison to UFO's motor when I get up to my new place. IN vs OUT when run in the 3 battery setup. Right now I have no way to run any tests on anything, and I need to rewind a UFO motor. I HATE winding motors and coils. I'd rather do almost anything else. Of course that comes from having to work in an 6'x 5' (floor space, not counting benches) space in my basement. With two big dogs on the floor under foot, I barely have room to stand, much less move around. But things are changing.

Speaking of that, I am back and forth between two houses for the next few weeks, trying to move into the new one and get the old one sold, so everything is a big mess and most of my stuff is in boxes. If you feel like I haven't been responsive here, that's why. It is also why you aren't seeing any video of builds from me right now. But you can always eMail me at dbbowling@hotmail.com and it will pop up on my phone no matter where I am. My Big generator, run by an off the shelf brushed DC motor, is at the machine shop, and I am working on the circuitry to run that, but it is the only thing I have kept out of all the junk I am boxing up to move, mostly because the gen is big enough and heavy enough that I really can't move it easily, and I need to get my '71 Land Cruiser out of the shop to haul it home

If anyone else who has wound a UFO motor would like to take on the task of winding the SAME motor in Matt's configuration, that would be just dandy. Or if you have wound Matt's motor give the UFO motor a shot. The razor scooter motors will work for BOTH as they are 16 pole I believe. It would be great to get a real comparison of power in and power out, as well as torque at 12 volts, 24 volts, 36 volts, etc. Both motors will run on higher voltage and it isn't what goes in, it's what comes OUT and how much torque we get to run the generator that is important.

Dave

[jettis]

Thanks Bob,

This looks like another example of what I have been pushing here. That we HAVE all the necessary components to do this. We just have to put them all together.

We should begin with the BEST pulse motor we can come up with. I intend to test Matt's modified pulse motor in comparison to UFO's motor when I get up to my new place. IN vs OUT when run in the 3 battery setup. Right now I have no way to run any tests on anything, and I need to rewind a UFO motor. I HATE winding motors and coils. I'd rather do almost anything else. Of course that comes from having to work in an 6'x 5' (floor space, not counting benches) space in my basement. With two big dogs on the floor under foot, I barely have room to stand, much less move around. But things are changing.

Speaking of that, I am back and forth between two houses for the next few weeks, trying to move into the new one and get the old one sold, so everything is a big mess and most of my stuff is in boxes. If you feel like I haven't been responsive here, that's why. It is also why you aren't seeing any video of builds from me right now. But you can always eMail me at dbbowling@hotmail.com and it will pop up on my phone no matter where I am. My Big generator, run by an off the shelf brushed DC motor, is at the machine shop, and I am working on the circuitry to run that, but it is the only thing I have kept out of all the junk I am boxing up to move, mostly because the gen is big enough and heavy enough that I really can't move it easily, and I need to get my '71 Land Cruiser out of the shop to haul it home

If anyone else who has wound a UFO motor would like to take on the task of winding the SAME motor in Matt's configuration, that would be just dandy. Or if you have wound Matt's motor give the UFO motor a shot. The razor scooter motors will work for BOTH as they are 16 pole I believe. It would be great to get a real comparison of power in and power out, as well as torque at 12 volts, 24 volts, 36 volts, etc. Both motors will run on higher voltage and it isn't what goes in, it's what comes OUT and how much torque we get to run the generator that is important.

Dave

Hi Dave,

If you do not mind what is Matt's configuration?

Thanks,

Dave Wing

[jettis]

HEY JET

What is the difference when you go series? I could try this on my SSSG units. Does it raise the voltage or what? Nice setup

Mikey

Hi Mikey,

Series will lower amp draw, provide better primary and secondary charging and raise torque to a degree... I doubt I have 10 feet of wire wound on that brushless motor FYI. One more pic then... I will not post my stuff here on this thread any longer as I do not want to hijack this thread.

[voltan]

hi jettis. matts rewind can be found in the 3bgs thread.page 60 post 1784
cheers.

[jettis]

hi jettis. matts rewind can be found in the 3bgs thread.post 1784
cheers.

Thank you.

Dave Wing

[Turion]

Hijacking thread

I wouldn't say posting about a pulse motor or a Bedini motor modification is hijacking the thread. After all, we are looking for the BEST pulse motor design as one of the component pieces to a basic device.

Dave

[voltan]

hi all. it might be worth evaluating these rc motors as an energizer as well.they are a 3 phase ac motor,with pm's, so rectified like an automotive alternator,one of these could go well.or maybe 2 of them...
interesting to note some of the RC guys are into this.here's 1 account.The Kv needs to be matched to the expected generator rpm and desired output voltage. Don't choose your motor(s) until you have determined these parameters! A 650Kv motor needs be driven at ~10000rpm to get 12VDC out under load (taking into account motor and rectifier losses).pic 3 shows the motor referred to.kv means no load rpm/volt input.so maybe,to hook 2 of these together the motor kv needs to be higher than the energizer kv, for a matched motor-gen combo for general efficiency or trying to loop.
there's a fair bit of info on rewinding these motors in the rc forums as well.
cheers.

[Turion]

voltan,
Looks interesting. I'll add it to my list of things to try out.