Basic Free Energy Device

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, since you all are still debating this sharing thing, here's my 2 cents.
I comprehend the perspectives here, based on what people tend to see and experience in their lives, which is to sum it up, systems of everyone for themselves for the most part.
I'm not posting this to make judgements upon any individual, just to share a bit of my experiences and observations in life thus far.
I observe the sun provide for us daily without condition.
I observe nature provide water for our needs, without condition.
I observe nature provide the air we need, without condition.
I observe myself and others sharing their time freely to help feed people, without condition .
Whatever created all this and us, it seems to share freely, without condition.
It seems we as humans, have been given the free will ability, to make choices to also share without condition or not.
Carry on

[citfta]

Hi all, since you all are still debating this sharing thing, here's my 2 cents.
I comprehend the perspectives here, based on what people tend to see and experience in their lives, which is to sum it up, systems of everyone for themselves for the most part.
I'm not posting this to make judgements upon any individual, just to share a bit of my experiences and observations in life thus far.
I observe the sun provide for us daily without condition.
I observe nature provide water for our needs, without condition.
I observe nature provide the air we need, without condition.
I observe myself and others sharing their time freely to help feed people, without condition .
Whatever created all this and us, it seems to share freely, without condition.
It seems we as humans, have been given the free will ability, to make choices to also share without condition or not.
Carry on

Sorry Skywatcher, but your beautiful ideas about the world are lacking one small detail. The birds of the fields and other creatures of the forest would all starve to death if they didn't get off their butts and go look for food. It is not unconditionally dumped into their mouths. They have to make some effort to get it.

This whole discussion is not about helping the poor or feeding the hungry. This is about those who refused to join in the work but now want some of the hard earned results.

Dave has freely been sharing for years and very few paid any attention. But now they feel they are entitled to something. How does that make any sense? If I go all the way through High School and make no effort to do any work am I still entitled to graduate? Or I go to work everyday on my new job and refuse to do anything am I entitled to keep my job?

This whole socialism culture of our American society has created a hive full of drones with very few worker bees. If you don't know what that means you can do the research. Maybe you will learn something.

Respectfully,
Carroll

[SkyWatcher]

Hi citfta, thanks for sharing your views, as i stated, i'm not judging anyone here, i just used the opportunity to share views.
Like i said, it is apparent we can choose to share without condition or not and that applies to anything.
It's like we are conditioned to divide and conquer ourselves for various reasons.
Anyway, i'm thankful for anything anyone shares, i have no judgement either way, i'm neutral in this regard.
I look forward to all cooperating, as i would also love to see an excess energy device in everyones home and car, etc. also.
Now please, don't read into my comments and assume i'm talking about anyone here or in fact, about anything related, these posts i just made are speaking generally, about anything, including energy devices.
peace love light

[Midaztouch]

Free energy!

Yeah OK! The only Free energy that I've see around here is people going to work, then spending their hard earned cash FREELY to build this stuff. After all the FREE time and FREE effort, the STUFF just sits on a shelf, a bench or junk room...COLLECTING DUST! It's not used in a washing machine, car, hairdryer, boiler, ect... Rookies, be careful, you might get excited when you see them light up a LIGHT BULB for a few minutes.

The ones that find something worth it, don't post anything because they are trying to get PAID!

On the other hand,

The STUFF IS garbage and THE HEAD GURU is trying to get popular!

This STUFF can cost you a lot of your FREE money, FREE time & FREE effort = your FREE energy!

It's ok to learn something but be careful with your Free Energy.

Been there, done that and doing it now.... Midaz

[soundiceuk]

I have seen the threads but I get so focused on one thing I don't make time for another.

First Don Smith, then Radioionics, then mechanical wheels....

I'm actually searching for the simplest device that anyone with basic skills could build.

The reason is to use whatever that is as a tool to awaken folk who are still blinded by indoctrination.


I have two 12v batteries and two 6v batteries. Can I run a 12v to 240v inverter from the potential difference. Run a 240v motor from the inverter and connect it to a 24v wind alternator to charge the 1st bank?

What will happen to the two 6 volt batteries wired in series?

[soundiceuk]

Just wanted to clarify. I believe there are many ways to extract energy from the environment.

At the end of the day it all comes from the ground and the environment.

It's no good if there are rare materials and/or dimensions and tolerances unobtainable by most without an engineering shop.

If it's not on the shelf as a plug and play then the players at the top will exercise their power to pull the rug on the materials.

This seems to have the most potential for plug and play to me.

It doesn't matter that there are more efficient / higher COP devices.... What we truly want is to lift the veil on the BS that has enshrouded the "free energy" world and made most of us look cuckoo!!!

[RAMSET]

Assumptions can be Dicey

This community has many dedicated men researching many areas [Example Paul above],
There has never been one clear path to success [fully disclosed].

Assuming that the world of hard working open source researchers is sooo small it fits within this thread ...and can be measured by this method... would be quite an assumption.

There are plenty of good hard working open source researchers with absolutely no ""Cooperate"" interests.

its just what they do , for the benefit of all.

when we get out the "scale" and try to measure each man and his worth to a cause ....or value to a society and his true motives Etc etc etc.

we start to play God .

For some of us life is too short and we were taught differently or know intuitively this "judging" or measuring is a dangerous path,
and in this case can hold tremendous responsibility and consequence for our actions.

And to be clear I am not judging anyone here .. this ain't easy to figure !!

so I personally try not to .

but to be absolutely Clear ...this tech [a working OU tech] can and will save lives.
and that clock never stops ticking nor do the consequences for every lost moment [to some]




There are plenty of valid Points and comments being made here ,and many more to come
doing the "next right thing" ain't always easy.

just one mans opinion.

Chet K

[Wistiti]

Personally i really dont worry with the builders... serously; what could be the interest to follow this kind of forum if it is not to learn and try to build ourself??

In my opinion the vast majority of the readers (also the quiet ones) are builders... we just have different skills and experiment level.


What i find "eavy" it is when it come "emotive *****ing soap" like we generally see at OU.com... please guys, dont go this way...

Sincerly

[erfinder]

Ok....this is getting old...

We were given an idea by JB. I admit, when I started, I was totally against what was being presented. One day I stopped reading and got active. 1k dollars in, and a box full of transistors, neons, pots, resistors, and magnets later, I knew there was truth in what he was presenting (as a side note, we keep getting it thrown in our face that we don't spend money....I built two 12 coil SSG machines before I changed directions, the acrylic alone cost me 4000 Euros, now add 70 transistors and the rest of the mandatory components to the list, then add the bells and whistle components which makes ones life easier when building circuits as complex as these. I am almost afraid to admit how much money I have dumped into this research, but know, I would dump 100x more into it if I had it). The thing is, that which he was presenting isn't the thing that kept me motivated, it was the promise of more. At this point I stopped doing what I was told, and started listening to what I needed to listen to to get to where I wanted to be. After all it was about what I wanted, and not what someone wanted for me that mattered to me.

The deeper I got the more I recognized that I had seen or heard what I was finding before, and had heard it from none other than JB. Pissed me off often, because I was hoping to get away from his influence...to no avail. Today, I can say that without his inspiration, I wouldn't be here. I don't agree with most of what is being said, but those points that I do agree with, are in a word.....magical.

You were given all you need to replicate his device. As presented, its nothing more than a curiosity. I feel that this was the purpose, it was designed to engage our/my curiosity, and it did. Its your job to take it to the next level, you were informed of what to expect! We don't need another example, another path. Something was being said that all but a few are missing, and its important that those who are missing it get the chance to find it on their own, no parallel path distractions. These things take time, and you should take all the time you need.

Only one has shown anything worth looking at, and that was JB. I read the compliant that JB didn't provide us with any specifics. I'm thinking there were none given because there are none.... Means the sky is the limit, do what you want. I keep hearing talk about motors and generators which are independent of one another... , look at a motor, look at a generator....its a hybrid apparatus, to suggest that I build either of these and operate them independent of one another is two steps back, regardless of how wonderful you think of that which you found. Over-unity begins in unity. Unity is found in the proper uniting of motoring and generating.

I had a really pleasant discussion with a friend of mine last night, and we came to the conclusion that the load on a properly configured generator should cost nothing to operate, wrap your head around that one.


Regards

[DavidE]

Ramset

Well said.

[med.3012]

I have seen the threads but I get so focused on one thing I don't make time for another.

First Don Smith, then Radioionics, then mechanical wheels....

I'm actually searching for the simplest device that anyone with basic skills could build.

The reason is to use whatever that is as a tool to awaken folk who are still blinded by indoctrination.


I have two 12v batteries and two 6v batteries. Can I run a 12v to 240v inverter from the potential difference. Run a 240v motor from the inverter and connect it to a 24v wind alternator to charge the 1st bank?

What will happen to the two 6 volt batteries wired in series?

i am just contributing to this thread to say there's a lots of people work outside this forum for the same purpose, if the aim is bringing free light to earth people, i think it's up to anyone to share the knowledge or to keep the secret but what's hidden today will be known tomorrow...

about D Smith system i think it can be scaled to be very easy for replication and still give a good amount of power, one problem i am facing is the number of experiments that have to be done to achieve some nice results, i have a thread here and i asked for replication so the work will move fast to the desired direction but still few followers...

any how we have to do the best we can ..

Regards

Mohamed

[i_ron]

I am totally bummed by this entitlement attitude our society has turned into. Please explain to me why he should share anything with those that have consistently refused to do any work toward the goal. This whole fiasco on these last few pages reminds me of the old Aesop's Fable about the grasshopper and the ants. Maybe you should read it.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Gee Carroll, I hope I was not included in that comment?

But hey, any friend of Luc's is a friend of mine. Incidentally I made several rotors for Thane, I made the one he took to California.

Are you a canuck then like me?

Ron

[citfta]

I did not mean any particular individual. That was a general statement about the sad condition our society has gotten to.

Yes I do like Luc. He has done some amazing work. But no, I am not a canuck. I am originally from KY but now live in central GA.

Carroll

[DavidE]

Matt

Matt said:

Ya I guess thats the truth. You have it all figured out. Just like I said, we work past the problems, we spend the money, we take the risk, and all of you who did nothing should benefit through our sharing. Then if it doesn't work for you for whatever reason we'll be to blame for sure.

Although I don't think a public forum is a place to personally denigrate another's character, when people are angry or bitter - that is exactly what they do. Clearly you are not happy with your results working with people on the forum. Then why be here? There is no place for the bad attitude that I specifically have brought light to - it throws cold water on peoples good work.

Matt said:

Ya'll just don't even have a real perspective on the world and all that is changing. The amount of people who want to research further than we can and at the same time share among their peer groups. Really bring this tech to market on pure open source basis. And if you think cheap you up for a rude awakening, Free is not free.

This is an interesting idea, but "Peer Groups" are just as prone to human weaknesses like greed, ego and false sense of superiority. Everyone here understands that it takes money to work on this hobby or call it a passion if you like. But the track record of inventors selling hype for funding is also well recorded and new cons are being launched every day. I am not saying that you or Dave are trying to con anybody, but you must consider what you are stating as the opportunity and the solution. You just need more money, I hear you.

Matt said:

Lets bring some other thing to light. Even if you are talented enough to replicate this work you cannot help us accomplish the rewriting of the math involved in this machine. Math that doesn't exist to prove whats happening is not only possible its purely natural.
You cannot compound materials that need to be made and machined.
Most likely you are not even up to par far enough on your physics to even be able to understand and argue lenz law and the things that are wrong with it. Ect...

This may all be true, but again you are falling in the same trap as countless inventors before you. But more than math or materials, people first have to form a common belief that the results you claim are possible. For every endorsement, you will have ten detractors. If you want to bring this forth in any significant way - getting past the disbelief stage will come first.

Matt said:

So what are you really going to do to help share. Your going to replicate the work and show the world a machine running. Unfortunately that doesn't prove a thing. And at this point we can show you that, but the rest of the proof, man thats a big ticket item. You wanna help with that? You wanna share that responsibility with all the other people who feel the way you do? Then write the check. Setup the crowd funding. Make difference! Do something! We are! There will be no way around when we get done, it will be pure truth.

Just because you believe it and have seen it doesn't make it a social reality. Again, if you want to change the world... the world first must be able to see that your claim and results match in a new common sense way. I doubt you can use the traditional EM dogma to explain what you say is possible. So fine, create a new dogma that can bear weight of ample new evidence.

Matt said:

I won't bother ya'll anymore, You know where I stand, call it what you want

If you really understand the intricacies of what makes your device work, you must be able to scale it down to prove that a new belief is worthy of getting peoples attention. I for one don't doubt the possibilities, I have produced my own levels of experimental evidence with different elements of the described device in this thread. Your challenge is to convince the first 2.5% of the populace to get to step one of the Diffusion of Innovation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_innovations

But if you truly believe (as you have stated) that you don't care what others think? Then simply go away and save your rants for another place where public rants about the inequities of the world are common fare.

This will allow the rest of us believers, to get back to work.

[erfinder]

Lets see how many are out of the box....

I think its pretty obvious that when we generate, the greater portion of whats produced we didn't ask for, but pay for nonetheless. Specifically, we didn't ask for the magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced....blah blah....you folk know the laws...right.....? So assuming it were possible to generate and not simultaneously awaken the antagonist, what would it cost to generate? Would one have an output at all if the antagonist were removed from the equation? Now before you scream what most already know, you know, without Lenz you cant generate, hold that thought, and think about why you would say that. Do you say it because you read it somewhere, did you hear it in a conversation you were privy to? Did you test this "theory" that you can't generate as we do now, with normal generators (I am not talking about any of those radical renegade concept machines)? Did you try all that one can try, did you rule out every possibility? I am asking because if you didn't, you cannot justify your response to the last question, and in truth, you should be working......


Regards