Basic Free Energy Device

[Peter Lindemann]

John Bedini's Low Drag Generator

Lets see how many are out of the box....

I think its pretty obvious that when we generate, the greater portion of whats produced we didn't ask for, but pay for nonetheless. Specifically, we didn't ask for the magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field which induced....blah blah....you folk know the laws...right.....? So assuming it were possible to generate and not simultaneously awaken the antagonist, what would it cost to generate? Would one have an output at all if the antagonist were removed from the equation? Now before you scream what most already know, you know, without Lenz you cant generate, hold that thought, and think about why you would say that. Do you say it because you read it somewhere, did you hear it in a conversation you were privy to? Did you test this "theory" that you can't generate as we do now, with normal generators (I am not talking about any of those radical renegade concept machines)? Did you try all that one can try, did you rule out every possibility? I am asking because if you didn't, you cannot justify your response to the last question, and in truth, you should be working......

Regards

Dear Everybody,

The design and analysis of John Bedini's Low Drag Generator is fully disclosed in Bedini SG - The Complete Advanced Handbook published in November of 2014. Chapter 5 is titled Understanding Lenz's Law and chapter 6 is titled The Simple Low Drag Generator. If you have not read this material yet, you have not taken advantage of a valuable resource.

When electric current is INDUCED by the action of a moving magnetic field, Lenz's Law always appears as a mechanical force or an inversely proportional voltage. The important question is: Where does this force appear in your machine?

When appearing as a mechanical force, there are 4 possible actions that this force can exhibit: 1) it can act as a motoring force directed against the direction of rotation [standard designs], 2) it can act as a motoring force directed to support the direction of rotation [advanced self-rotation generators], 3) it can be applied perpendicular to the direction of rotation and therefore have little or no effect on the motion of the machine [John Bedini's early designs], and 4) it can be a constrained force between two non-moving parts and therefore have little or no effect on the motion of the machine [future possibilities].

The point is, if you are inducing electric current to appear due to a moving magnetic field, this force WILL show up. However, whether that force works against you, works for you, or does nothing, is determined by the design geometry of the machine.

Best regards,
Peter

[Mario]

Hi Peter,

thanks for tuning in. I think you did an excellent job writing those manuals. As I already stated somewhere, I wish we had these years ago

Only one thing that in my humble opinion was missing in the low drag mechanism explanation (unless I missed it), is that with the correct paramenters in place a phase shift takes place, which, depending on the parameters can get close to 90 degrees in delay. This like you said moves what normally works as a braking force to a place or time frame where it acts as a motoring force, or at least where it's not putting much drag on the rotor. This phase shift can easily be seen on the scope comparing an open coil to a coil with the right parameters in place (loaded). With a variable resistor as a load you can see the shift in real time.

regards,
Mario

[erfinder]

Hi Peter,

thanks for tuning in. I think you did an excellent job writing those manuals. As I already stated somewhere, I wish we had these years ago

Only one thing that in my humble opinion was missing in the low drag mechanism explanation (unless I missed it), is that with the correct paramenters in place a phase shift takes place, which, depending on the parameters can get close to 90 degrees in delay. This like you said moves what normally works as a braking force to a place or time frame where it acts as a motoring force, or at least where it's not putting much drag on the rotor. This phase shift can easily be seen on the scope comparing an open coil to a coil with the right parameters in place (loaded). With a variable resistor as a load you can see the shift in real time.

regards,
Mario

There are many types of phase shifting mechanisms....I recently demonstrated something that looks like beat frequency. The shift needed to produce the effect is in the geometry of the windings themselves. Any degree of shift can be had, any combination no matter how complex can be generated.

There are other shifts which I can produce which I cannot detect with a scope. In one apparatus, a neon is used to indicate when the shift has taken place. The interesting thing here is that when the shift happens, it is not registering in the scope. The wave and all of its components remains rock solid....

I too am glad Peter has decided to chime in, the books are second to none. My thing is, I am not interested in the generators which are highlighted those documents, I'm not interested because I have experienced better. I am interested in knowing what their suggestions are leading up to. I am not asking for a disclosure, I have my own brain and am capable of doing my own research. It would just be nice to here from the higher ups that there's more! More meaning, industrial or municipal application of the principles when scaled properly.....I want to read those words coming from them, and maybe read the words that they know of such systems working, now.


Regards

[citfta]

Has anyone else discovered the links to the books on this site have been hijacked? My browser refuses to go there and says the sites are attack sites. Apparently when you click on one of the links to the books on this forum you get redirected to an attack site. I was able to go to another forum and click on the link to the books and it took me to the site where you can buy one or all three books. Aaron or someone needs to look into this problem. This problem has also been discovered by some others on one of the other forums.

Carroll

[Matthew Jones]

But if you truly believe (as you have stated) that you don't care what others think? Then simply go away and save your rants for another place where public rants about the inequities of the world are common fare.
This will allow the rest of us believers, to get back to work.

Man and a A$$hole, who is bumming drinks, have argument in a bar. Man tells the a$$hole like it is and leaves. Long time after man leaves a$$hole pipes up and tells him "Get out of here, Go away or I'll...buy my own drinks"

Who are you in this story DavidE???

That whole rant picking my words apart, you still never offered to help under conditions or other wise. You only offered to take. And people like me are the problem, huh?


Matt

[DavidE]

Matt

We are back to work, and you are telling jokes?

If you are going to post... maybe you should stay on the subject matter.

Basic Free Energy Device.

[erfinder]

If this is going to go anywhere, folks have got to loose this fear of being stomped to death by those whom you yourselves have elevated to the rank of guru.

Speak your minds, participate! Demonstrate how passionate you are about this stuff.

What is the energizer? The PDF gives a little info on it, and the book Peter referred to gives lots of background information on how to generate. Are the two saying the same thing? I see a familiar circuit, but nothing regarding what made the energizer so damn important! I think its important, and better than this, I know it is. But I am just one researcher with an opinion, and once mine is heard.....folk generally miss the point being made and move on...so before I give anything, lets get a dialog going. Lets get some creative juices flowing, if you want to build, do it in your head first. There is no need to do anything other than work your imagination at this point.

Come on people....get involved in the discussion. Stop holding up the walls....


Regards

[i_ron]

If this is going to go anywhere, folks have got to loose this fear of being stomped to death by those whom you yourselves have elevated to the rank of guru.

Speak your minds, participate! Demonstrate how passionate you are about this stuff.

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Come on people....get involved in the discussion. Stop holding up the walls....


Regards

That is easy for you to say but won't happen under this situation when secrets are being kept. Peter comes on the list selling books, you and Dave play a cat and mouse game of who is going to let something slip first. It is pathetic.

Ron

[erfinder]

That is easy for you to say but won't happen under this situation when secrets are being kept. Peter comes on the list selling books, you and Dave play a cat and mouse game of who is going to let something slip first. It is pathetic.

Ron

I am not the enemy. I am not the path to your energy independence. I am not asking nor suggesting that you follow me, nor replicate my work.

There is no one standing in your way, you can and should speak your mind, this was a good first attempt, I recommend you keep this up, but also suggest you control what could be considered as anger and stay focused on the subject and when applicable, the task at hand. It is easy to go dark, don't.

Can you prove that there are secrets being kept? I don't recommend that we accuse anyone of keeping something from us that we didn't earn.

I am not hiding anything from you. You have no interest in what I am trying to share, and as such, cannot formulate the right questions to ask, you therefore are the embodiment of opposition to change, fix that, and maybe we can make some progress. I have nothing other than my perception, and I understand that this is subject to change at anytime. With this being said, I posses nothing of material value which can slip from my grasp. I have nothing to loose. You want a machine, I want to help you build it, you mistake helping you build with building it for you. That's not how I operate. You want something from me, try and see things how I see them and make all that has become mine yours through your own effort.


Regards

[Peter Lindemann]

A Little Perspective

That is easy for you to say but won't happen under this situation when secrets are being kept. Peter comes on the list selling books, you and Dave play a cat and mouse game of who is going to let something slip first. It is pathetic.

Ron

Ron,

I was really quite disheartened to see this post, so I'd like to share with you a little bit of my perspective on this. There are only a handful of people I know who have built self-running machines, based on the idea of a regenerative motor turning a low-drag generator, without being shown one first. That list includes: Bob Teal, Robert Adams, John Bedini, myself, and MATT JONES!

Bob Teal did not publish anything on his machines, except his patents. John published his first set of plans in 1984 and a number of people replicated it then, including Jim Watson. Robert Adams published a complete design of his motor-generator in Nexus Magazine in 1992, with the first major replication by "Christy and Brits" in 1999. When I was in Australia last year there were two people in the Brisbane area who had working "Adams machines." In 2004, the first complete set of plans and a parts list for the Bedini SG went out on the internet for free and there were hundreds of replications all over the world. Between 2012 and 2014, I spent 9 months writing 3 books on the history, theory, and working models of John's life's work, and even built a machine that demonstrated the complete package of a regenerative motor turning a "zero-drag" generator and showed it at the Conference in 2014. A film of that demonstration is included when you buy the books. Since then, Dave and Matt started this thread and fully revealed the specification for Matt's self-running machine for FREE here in the thread.

Honestly, Ron, I don't see anything "pathetic" about this, other than to reflect on the staggering amount of information you have been provided without showing the slightest hint of appreciation.

Anyone who does not have a working model of one of these machines simply didn't build one. The purpose Dave stated for this thread in the first post was accomplished about a year ago. In that post, Dave said this thread was for builders - with the condition - show us what you have built, and we will help you. Both Dave and Matt have done that with a level of commitment and generosity that is astonishing to me! You guys ROCK!

Dave, maybe it's time to have Aaron just lock the thread and archive it, so the uninformed opinions of non-builders doesn't dilute the value of what is here any further.

Peter

[Turion]

Please

Motor
Generator
Or Energizer in place of these, which is the road erfinder has taken, and a road we are on as well and will discuss when we have reached the end and verified results. But that is WAY down the road.
Circuit
Flywheel

We have given detailed instructions for the building of the motor in a pdf and included videos.
I have spent countless hours talking about running loads on the potential difference.
If you can't figure out how to build a flywheel, take your ball and go home.
This leaves the generator. Put any damn generator you want on the thing and run it. What results are you getting? If you can't build a generator ON YOUR OWN that gets you to OU when you can recover better than 80% of the energy used to run the motor, you don't have the skills to build my generator anyway. The CIRCUIT gets you a home run. The efficiency of the generator gets you a grand slam.
Then it's time to talk about
Timing
Core materials
Switching, and using caps so generator coils never see the load (Which I have already talked about)
Magnetic cancellation (which I have ALREADY shown)

But none of that matters until you have a runner that works.
This gets you a VW bug that will get you where you want to go. That's all I promised. If you want a Rolls Royce, it's no different here than in the real world. You have to put in the time and the money.

But we GAVE away the motor. We GAVE away the circuit. How many folks BOTHERED to try and hook that motor up to a generator and run it on the circuit?

[erfinder]

Motor
Generator
Or Energizer in place of these, which is the road erfinder has taken......

I didn't pick a road. I was attracted to this line of research. I was informed like you that certain experiments were needed. Like you, I performed those experiments. In carrying out those various tasks, in time it became more and more obvious to me that the apparatus has a say. It matters not if you can accept this. Through my time with the devices, it became as clear to me as the air I breath that the forces operating within the apparatus will become your instructor assuming you can allow them to.

The motor, the generator, and flywheel aren't things in and of themselves, they are symbols. Assume them to have two meanings. The first is associated with outside world, the world where thoughts are motivated by material gain, in this instance, the goal would be a self running machine. One which according to posts being made,isn't really self running at all. Deal with that statement however you wish. The second is associated with the inner world, where the goal is to embrace the force as a self running machine which enlivens the inanimate that we associate it with. The three symbols represent the three forms of motion, conditions under which energy is transmitted, received, and stored. All who would really want independence should try and find and familiarize yourselves with the three forms of motion, once you are familiar with them, unite them as one and behold the force for the first time.

I am not going to quote you on the rest. But will say that it reads like you are positioning yourself to be some kind of hero. You gave....you gave...you gave freely.....I can see why you would need to repeat this over and over....in truth, as I see it, you are perpetuating ignorance. You didn't help elevate the consciousness of your fellow man, you only gave him freely, that which he did not work for, nor ask you to give him. In those instance when you were asked, that which was requested was motivated in part by what you suggested. I dare not bash your effort. You feel you are doing your part and indeed you are, however, the tech you are suggesting that all willing souls copy and paste to the limits of their abilities will not get us, any of us, anywhere near where we all "should" be already. High recovery, via the methods you've illustrated, in combination with a low to no drag generator, which is used primary to charge batteries is not what we observe Nature doing.

I read what I needed to read tonight, and it was an unfortunate sad few words. I no longer have faith in the leadership of this community, in their ability to lead those who need them to those places where some of their written works translate one in those moments of quiet reflection and contemplation. Owning in part to the void in the leadership position, and in part to the lack of motivation on the part of the seeker, for the majority, those things seen during those moments quiet reflection and contemplation have a poor chance of ever materializing....


Regards

[Turion]

Erfinder,

Apparently you have all the answers and are willing to share and I am a cult leader seeking worshippers. So be it. I have much better things to do than expend my time on this forum.

[shylo]

Bro Mickey, That one picture of the rotor in the stator can is a UFO motor I was building with only one wind on it, nothing to do with this thread.
I have built Matts' motor and many versions, but am now working on my own design which is the motor and the generator built as one unit.

There are ten coils wired in series, dual mag rotors , The other day when testing different coil connections I had accidently shorted out #10 coil , made it so there was no output on that coil, but made the other nine put out more and faster, and completely eliminated the drag.

I store this output and use it to drive the rotors by dumping it back into the coils. When I get done testing best coil configurations I will be then trying to use Daves' 3BGS circuit with booster ,but in place of the batteries will be cap banks.

try dead shorting a coil see what happens
artv

[erfinder]

Erfinder,

Apparently you have all the answers and are willing to share and I am a cult leader seeking worshippers. So be it. I have much better things to do than expend my time on this forum.

If you are going to walk away...do so for a real reason. I haven't given you a reason to abandon ship. I am speaking to you from my bench, like you are speaking to me from yours, well.....your bench split between two researchers.

The number of folk who believe in your brand of free energy and the claims you have made outnumber the one guy who cares very little if any for your brand of free energy and the claims you've made. I am one of the few not digging into your pocket, the only one not asking you for anything, nor do I endorse your effort to make myself look good in the eye of new potential .....you fill in the rest. You got something better to do than present truth to the best of your abilitiy for the purpose of bettering the community, do your worst. None of the alphas are doing anything to better the community, and the community as a whole comes across as lifeless.....This is what being provided with your thoughts does for you.

Note to self....ignore list only works when you are logged on...


Regards