Basic Free Energy Device

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[i_ron]

Booster 101

This is quite a robust little booster.

Ron

Ask any tech if you can parallel boosters and the answer is NO

However, when you consider the cost, two boosters for $7 and it might be worth it to take that chance...buy several!

The main concern seems to be if one starts later than the other one there will be feed back into one and possible reverse flow leading to damage.

So a protection diode is required.

In the example below I have two 150 watt converters paralleled using a CTB34 Schottky diode. As you can see the two converters are putting out 11.33 amps into the load. . I didn't think untill afterwards I should have tweaked one of the converters...duh

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Ron

[Matthew Jones]

Ask any tech if you can parallel boosters and the answer is NO

However, when you consider the cost, two boosters for $7 and it might be worth it to take that chance...buy several!

The main concern seems to be if one starts later than the other one there will be feed back into one and possible reverse flow leading to damage.

So a protection diode is required.

In the example below I have two 150 watt converters paralleled using a CTB34 Schottky diode. As you can see the two converters are putting out 11.33 amps into the load. . I didn't think untill afterwards I should have tweaked one of the converters...duh

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Ron

I don't see why you even need the diode. Worst case one is running and feeds the output capacitor on the other, and for some reason it doesn't start up. And that would happened if it was tuned lower than the other. But the diode does prevent that.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

For that matter removing the smoothing caps may also help the overall setup. The modulation will increase across the charge battery.

If someone want the try, worst case you have to solder a wire from the top to the bottom of the board on the positive side of the cap to complete the trace. But probably not given its configuration.

Matt

[i_ron]

booster101

I don't see why you even need the diode. Worst case one is running and feeds the output capacitor on the other, and for some reason it doesn't start up. And that would happened if it was tuned lower than the other. But the diode does prevent that.

Matt

You might be right... but i wasn't brave enough to try that.

The diode does add to further inefficiency admittedly.

But just putting out some ideas here as it is either this one, or a jump up to $50 or $60

For a really foolproof setup one could add a 2 volt battery to the #1&#2, 24 volt stack... like an old 6 volt battery with the buss bars on top and just add one section to the stack. One could draw as many amps as one desired, Switch over to the next cell when that one ran down and charge the thing as a six volt battery when all three cells needed it.

Ron

[Turion]

I_ron,
The simple solution is to design our OWN boost module that does exactly what we want it to. I saidSIMPLE, not necessarily EASY

[Matthew Jones]

So that said I am working on one. A 240 watt boost circuit. Couple of days I'll have schematic. Beauty of it is we can also set it up to rotate the batteries.

What I need to know is how many people would be willing to build one.

The cost would be the inhibitor. Around $150 dollars. Now you could go cheaper but you might have problems. Boost circuit require a certain amount of noise free area and if you do not build them correctly they will not perform well. The whole thing will be run by and Arduino mini/ Ada fruit trinket.
You will not need to spend all of that, as thats full price will cover all of the features. The boost circuit part looks to come in around $70+-.

What I need to know is who' serious. This thread has spread and people who are here at Energetic have the position to be first.

If your working on this say "I can do it" or not. Just need to know.

I hope to give you the tools to make this thing work but I am not going to hand this out unless people intend to participate.

Matt

[Peter Lindemann]

Count me in

Matt,

I am definitely interested in this. What happened to the idea of building the 20 Amp Booster based on the 555 chip? I am interested in the simplest circuit possible that operates correctly.

Peter

So that said I am working on one. A 240 watt boost circuit. Couple of days I'll have schematic. Beauty of it is we can also set it up to rotate the batteries.

What I need to know is how many people would be willing to build one.

The cost would be the inhibitor. Around $150 dollars. Now you could go cheaper but you might have problems. Boost circuit require a certain amount of noise free area and if you do not build them correctly they will not perform well. The whole thing will be run by and Arduino mini/ Ada fruit trinket.
You will not need to spend all of that, as thats full price will cover all of the features. The boost circuit part looks to come in around $70+-.

What I need to know is who' serious. This thread has spread and people who are here at Energetic have the position to be first.

If your working on this say "I can do it" or not. Just need to know.

I hope to give you the tools to make this thing work but I am not going to hand this out unless people intend to participate.

Matt

[Sawt2]

I am interested, i've been working on this a couple years now looking for it to work consistently.

So that said I am working on one. A 240 watt boost circuit. Couple of days I'll have schematic. Beauty of it is we can also set it up to rotate the batteries.

What I need to know is how many people would be willing to build one.

The cost would be the inhibitor. Around $150 dollars. Now you could go cheaper but you might have problems. Boost circuit require a certain amount of noise free area and if you do not build them correctly they will not perform well. The whole thing will be run by and Arduino mini/ Ada fruit trinket.
You will not need to spend all of that, as thats full price will cover all of the features. The boost circuit part looks to come in around $70+-.

What I need to know is who' serious. This thread has spread and people who are here at Energetic have the position to be first.

If your working on this say "I can do it" or not. Just need to know.

I hope to give you the tools to make this thing work but I am not going to hand this out unless people intend to participate.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Matt,

I am definitely interested in this. What happened to the idea of building the 20 Amp Booster based on the 555 chip? I am interested in the simplest circuit possible that operates correctly.

Peter

It didn't allow for enough duty cycle adjustment. It would run an input of 10 to 12 volt.

I want 6v to 13v input with a 14.75 output pretty much fixed, and I really don't want to turn knobs to get it. I hate making adjustment.

I never have built a 20 amp boost before. I have built a 5 once.
I use this calculator tool which I already know isn't perfect but works with few tweaks.
https://learn.adafruit.com/diy-boost...the-calculator

These settings get me what I need.
Freq 180k
Minvin 6
MaxVin 13
MinVout 14.7
MaxVout 14.8
Iout 20 amps
Vripple .1

So far the main parts I have settled on is:
Trinket 5 pins allows for ON/OFF, Driver pin, 2 Analog sensors for input/Output. Or if we want to control all the switching We can go with MetroMini. We'll have 2 options.
Mosfet

The Driver
The Inductors 4 of them.
4 Output Diode
And several parts that go in between, caps, resistors,ect..

Not sure what to do about the board. I can generate gerbers and people can order but 1 offs are expensive. I cut my own so maybe we can work out a small Material, shipping and handling price for a milled board.

I am just heading in that direction. I want to keep it cheap but also want it functional.

I'll work it all out tonight.

Matt

[Matthew Jones]

Also as far as switching all the batteries position I was little wrong about the cost. You cannot use low cost mosfets as they do not make without protection diodes. You have to use a higher cost IGBT, 5 per battery. I have to try to find a lower cost IGBT with a very low voltage drop, that can handle the wattage.

Matt

I added whats needed for the switching. Anybody got a better way?

[GlenWV]

So that said I am working on one. A 240 watt boost circuit. Couple of days I'll have schematic. Beauty of it is we can also set it up to rotate the batteries.

What I need to know is how many people would be willing to build one.

The cost would be the inhibitor. Around $150 dollars. Now you could go cheaper but you might have problems. Boost circuit require a certain amount of noise free area and if you do not build them correctly they will not perform well. The whole thing will be run by and Arduino mini/ Ada fruit trinket.
You will not need to spend all of that, as thats full price will cover all of the features. The boost circuit part looks to come in around $70+-.

What I need to know is who' serious. This thread has spread and people who are here at Energetic have the position to be first.

If your working on this say "I can do it" or not. Just need to know.

I hope to give you the tools to make this thing work but I am not going to hand this out unless people intend to participate.

Matt

Matt,

I'll build, and appreciate what you folks share.

glen

[Wistiti]

I am also interested to build it!

[Peter Lindemann]

Latching Relays

Matt,

I've been working with Erik at TeslaGenx who is developing a 4 battery switch for a project with me. It uses Latching Relays which don't take any power to sit in either position, just an impulse to switch. With a battery rotation event about once an hour, the switching system essentially takes no power at all, just the small amount needed for the brain board.

In this project, I was not going to rest the battery after coming off of discharge, only rest the battery coming off of the charge cycle. So these boards have 4 relays per board. If all of this works, a 5 relay board can be developed and made available as a kit from TeslaGenx.

Erik is doing a lot of this in his spare time, but we are eventually wanting to include high and low voltage detection to allow for continuous auto-rotation of the batteries based on the actual charge condition.

This is a different way, but may not be a better way depending on what you are running and the time between battery rotation events.

We hope to have something fully worked out by mid-summer.

Peter

Also as far as switching all the batteries position I was little wrong about the cost. You cannot use low cost mosfets as they do not make without protection diodes. You have to use a higher cost IGBT, 5 per battery. I have to try to find a lower cost IGBT with a very low voltage drop, that can handle the wattage.

Matt

I added whats needed for the switching. Anybody got a better way?

[Peter Lindemann]

Possible 20 amp boost converter

Matt,

What do you think of this boost converter? It's listed as 8-60 Input Voltage, 20 amp. They cost $17.99. I guess the only things we need to know is if the output is 100% isolated from the input, and if the unit will operate with an input voltage all the way down to 8 volts, right?

1200W 20A DC Converter Boost Step-up Power Supply Module IN 8-60V OUT 12-83V Sale - Banggood.com

Peter