Basic Free Energy Device

[citfta]

Ron,

What part of "A work in progress." don't you understand? Dave and Matt have shared way more than most of the people on this forum. Dave has openly shared his failures and his successes. Several of us that work with Dave privately knew about his health issues. But I didn't feel it was my place to share that info until or unless Dave gave an OK for that.

And you should also know that if anything were to happen to Dave there are a few of us that also know a lot about what Dave is doing.

And you most certainly should know by now if you have read much at all on this thread that rudeness will not help you or anyone else. Have you forgotten already that Peter Lindeman has asked for builders and not naysayers to participate in this thread.

All of the above is what you have missed.

Carroll

[Matthew Jones]

I can see the headline now... secrets of a fantastic cop 12 generator vanish with inventors death

I know what you think but is that the right answer?

If you want to be believed, then you should get together with David while you still can and work out an information package. You can't say you don't know his machine as he has already told us it is a copy of yours,

So the package should contain lots of pictures, rotor dimensions, rotor material. number of magnets dimensions of the magnets, magnet PCD. Number of coils rough coil dimensions, size of wire, number of turns, core material, core dimensions, core running gap, wiring schematic. Additional features such as extra magnets? and an explanation of the key operating condition such as RPM and load.

Open to correction on anything I have missed.

Ron

Its all built on my tech. Its not going anywhere especially not to the public on this forum.`Ask for, or demand whatever you want I have no intention of giving anything up on that front.

Matt

[DavidE]

So many claim to know the answers that you all seek. But have you ever noticed that those same people that claim to have the answers, post yesterdays newspaper?

There are no easy answers, its time to do your own work and share as much as you are willing to defend. Share observations, in time the conclusions will be evident.

Get well David B. we miss your drive and spirit.

[Aaron]

forum problem?

Does anybody know how or who to contact in order to fix problem with changing a password and e-mail for this forum? I've been trying for months to get this straightened out. The system just loops me back to where I started most of the time. I finally got a new name and password through, but now it won't let me post on this forum. Go figure.

Thanks,

Bob

Hi Bob,

I can help you out but not sure what you mean. You got the new name and password and you even made a post but you said you can't.

Please let me know what the problem is so I can look into it.

[Aaron]

give it a break

I can see the headline now... secrets of a fantastic cop 12 generator vanish with inventors death

I know what you think but is that the right answer?

If you want to be believed, then you should get together with David while you still can and work out an information package. You can't say you don't know his machine as he has already told us it is a copy of yours,

So the package should contain lots of pictures, rotor dimensions, rotor material. number of magnets dimensions of the magnets, magnet PCD. Number of coils rough coil dimensions, size of wire, number of turns, core material, core dimensions, core running gap, wiring schematic. Additional features such as extra magnets? and an explanation of the key operating condition such as RPM and load.

Open to correction on anything I have missed.

Ron

I think the best course of action is to have some compassion for someone with health issues and just let them be.

Dave has always been straight up in responding to questions when he is able.

[i_ron]

You should go f**k yourself with statements like that.

Matt

Hey matt i did as you suggested and I was filled with pleasure, thank you!

Now I am worried that was not your intent? Did I get it right?

Ron

[i_ron]

Its all built on my tech. Its not going anywhere especially not to the public on this forum.`Ask for, or demand whatever you want I have no intention of giving anything up on that front.

Matt

Matt, you are awesome! Your empathy for your fellow man, your kindness and willingness to share is unique. I can;t think of a better person, nor one better placed, to carry on David's work. Go for it, hold your head high, walk tall knowing your are the one!

All the best,

Ron

[i_ron]

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I think the best course of action is to have some compassion for someone with health issues and just let them be.

Dave has always been straight up in responding to questions when he is able.

Quite correct Aaron, that is why my post, that you quote, was addressed to Matt.

As for your last sentence... if this were true, why is it that we have no pictures of his build, no information what so ever, no verification, no replications?

All I did was repost his claim and ask a valid question. If David was ill why was this not posted on this forum? I had no idea of this situation, why descend on me? There seems to be some sort of disconnect here.

Thanks for your personal interest

Ron

[Matthew Jones]

Glad you have to come to reason...Humbling isn't it? When your accusations and attempts to shame a person into doing what you want doesn't work.

You look real top notch right now. The only thing that would help more is temper tantrum.

Matt

[ethan]

Its all built on my tech. Its not going anywhere especially not to the public on this forum.`Ask for, or demand whatever you want I have no intention of giving anything up on that front.

Matt

What's your motivation for keeping things secret? Monetary, pomposity?
Not being judgmental, I just find it odd the rational people use to keep things to themselves especially in this field where people end up taking their secrets to an early grave.

Do you resent the idea of putting so much work into something then giving it away free to people who may not deserve it due to their general laziness or lack of motivation to figure it out themselves? I have a secret and that's basically the reason I keep it to myself lol. My own family doesn't know.
Although it has nothing to do with this field.

[Turion]

Update

i_ron,

Thanks for all your words of concern and support when you realized that I had been sick and in the hospital on and off for the last few months. Oh wait, there weren't any words of concern and support for ME Your only concern was that YOU get the information YOU wanted before I die, or at least to make sure that someone you could get it from would be around after I die.

Well, I NEVER promised I would give away an instruction manual. In fact, below is a reprint of part of my very first post on this forum. You might want to read it:

If you have an idea, great…build it. If you have a theory, great, implement it. If you have a suggestion, modify your OWN build and THEN report the results. DONT come on here with half assed ideas you expect others to implement because you had a wet dream about how something should be constructed or it came to you in a vision because you ate some mushrooms you grew in your back yard. Build the thing and show us that it DOES work and THEN tell us what you DID, not what you're "GOING to do."

John showed us what he said was a working free energy device and stated that we had everything we needed to make it work.

It consisted of:
A battery
A motor
An energizer or generator
A flywheel
A control circuit to pulse the motor and charge the battery during the off time between pulses.

How many of you who claim to be builders have actually taken the time to build this simple device and see the results? And then modify your device. And then modify it again. And discuss your results with others who are also building. That is what I am asking that we get back to on this thread. If you want to talk theory, go find another thread.

I have built such a device. It produces more out than in.
Build it. Show it. Let us see your results. THEN lets figure out how to make some history.

Oh, and before I forget to mention it…..the device I have built a replication of ANOTHER builder's device. His name is Matt Jones. All the "specifics" are his, based on a whole heck of a lot of actual BUILDING and EXPERIMENTING.
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I said that if people showed what THEY had built, and we worked TOGETHER, we could come up with an efficient working device. I NEVER said I would spoon feed you all the answers. Matt's original two coil single rotor device run with a stock motor using a pulse circuit to control it is a far cray from what I have on my bench now, and evan FARTHER from the prototype Matt, Caroll and I have been working on. You said I have never posted videos of my setup or pictures or given any specifics. You'll have to talk to BroMikey about that. As I recall, he downloaded and linked to one of my videos that I have since taken down that shows my generator running, and producing 130 volts from a single coil at around one amp, (0r 130 watts) while running on 12 volts drawing 7 amps (84 watts) and then it would speed up under load and the amp draw to run it would go DOWN. That was and IS a video of a working over unity device. When you factor in that you can get better than 80% of the watts used to run the motor BACK by using the circuit we have laid out here in great detail, that was 16 watts used to produce 130 WITHOUT the speeding up under load.

We gave you a very specific circuit using a very specific (rewound) motor and a boost module to experiment with. When you learn to tune that circuit properly, you can run that pulse motor BASICALLY FOR FREE because the primaries don't discharge for a really, really, REALLY long time. We shared the motor and rewinding details and specifics. We shared the circuit we are using. We shared the use of a boost module that gets you "over the hump" to over unity. What I have NOT shared is details of my generator.

Let me ask a very simple question. If you have built the motor we told you to build and it is run using the circuit we told you to build, and you have connected a generator to the motor and it is producing power, what is the COP of your setup? Because if you don't have THAT much. you don't deserve another word of help or encouragement from me or anyone I work with. You are just someone who sits around complaining that people aren't giving you what you want. That's the world of a two year old.

If you have half a brain you will understand that ANY GENERATOR connected to a motor that runs for FREE is giving you ""free power." That is all I promised, and THAT is what we have given. Just in case that wasn't clear to you all, let me repeat it in all capitals. IF YOU CAN RUN THE MOTOR BASICALLY FOR FREE, EVERYTHING THE GENERATOR ATTACHED TO THE MOTOR PRODUCES IS FREE ENERGY.

Now if we have some folks that are interested in building the BEST generator possible, I believe THAT is the next logical step. But from what I have seen so far on this thread, there are maybe three or four folks who have actually built what we told them to build with the motor we told them to build it with, and fewer than THAT have actually worked with it to the point they understand how to get it tuned so that the primaries remained charged. Those one or two are probably ready to move on to building the generator, but you AIN'T one one them. And guess what? I really don't care.

I have a theory, yet to be proven that ANY coil will speed up under load if the rotor has the right size magnet on it and the motor is turning that rotor at the correct rpm. It is a theory I am working with and so far I have found several different coils that will speed up under load that are different. One has six wires on it. One has a single wire. One has three wires. They are all different sizes. One is an air core. I ALSO said I didn't want this thread to be about THEORIES, but about building things, so I will let that lay, but I do believe it is important. This would be kind of the direction I would want to go as we worked TOGETHER to build the best possible generator.

There is a logical step after THAT, which is to combine the motor and generator into one unit so that the coils are used as both motor coils and generating coils, which is where Matt, Caroll and I have been working for some time, but we aren't sharing that here. We don't OWE you that. We don't OWE you anything. I said I would show you what you needed to build a free energy device and I have. If you want a better one, get to work. If you are working, building and sharing, you might get some help. Maybe. I probably will share my generator at some point, but that will be when we get our next version of this thing together. And not the version we are working on right now, but the NEXT generation after that, because the more we learn, the more we realize things need to be different than what we thought.

Matt and I got an email from Dr. Peter Lindemann a while back with a photo (attached), schematic, and update on what he has built. He is beyond the basics we have been trying to get across, and understands that you can combine the motor/generator into one unit and run it the way we have been saying. The following are his words from his email to me, which he has allowed me to share:
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"The machine on the top shelf has two 12 inch rotors with 6 magnets on each rotor. There are 6 coils facing each of the rotors, for a total of 12 coils. 2 coils run as motors and the other 10 are designed to run as generators.

On the bottom rack there are four 24 volt battery blocks that run as a 3 battery supply. 2 batteries are the main supply at 48+ volts. One battery gets charged while the last battery RESTS after the charge cycle. The circuit to the left of the batteries is an automatic battery rotator, based on a PIC chip. In this early iteration, the batteries were moved to the next position every 20 minutes.

The motor recovery impulses are collected on isolated windings, as shown, so in tests they can be applied back to anywhere in the circuit. There is no Boost Converter in this arrangement. The operation of the circuit charges and discharges the batteries in a fairly conventional way. The diode on the common negative line is designed to prevent "back-charging" of the run batteries. Even without the diode, the system performed well and seemed to recover over 95% of the energy needed to run the motor. Simple adjustments should allow very long run times.

The generator coils on one side ran a few LEDs, but no real attempt to show excess energy from the generator coils was made at the conference. The motor currently runs at about 850 rpm, but I assume the machine will have significant energy generation ability above 5000 rpm.

Like both of you, I am extremely busy with what I do for a living, so I don't know how long it may take to make more progress on this machine. I was happy to get it this far for the Conference, but even that was a major push. I doubt I will ever show it in public after it is completed. People need to build their own machine. In some ways, this was just to double-check to make sure we had released enough information for others to do this. It still astounds me to see how few are following up on what has been given."
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Just to emphasize two things here from Dr. Lindemann:
PEOPLE NEED TO BUILD THEIR OWN MACHINES
IT ASTOUNDS ME TO SEE HOW FEW ARE FOLLOWING UP ON WHAT HAS BEEN GIVEN

He did show all this at the conference. According to him, there were people there who got the schematic and all kinds of info that was shared there. IF he does a video on the machine, I would consider purchasing it. They did not demo the total output of the machine at the conference, nor did they run it at the higher rpm's it is capable or running at which will produce more power. But it does show that we have released enough information that if you get off your ass and stop whining, you can have what you want. It is, however, going to take some work on YOUR part. Imagine that...having to do something besides complain.

I will say this, if you do not build and experiment, you will never learn. You will spend all your time sniffing around for the scraps of information others toss aside because they don't need them anymore since they have moved on to something better. You will always be whining because somebody else knows something you don't or has a toy you don't have. It's your life, so do what you want with it.

As for me, I choose to build and try to figure things out for myself. I make a lot of mistakes and ask a lot of stupid questions and I know I frustrate the crap out of Matt at times, but he puts up with me anyway. Friends do that.

As to my health issues, I have been suffering for months from intense stomach pains that would put me on my knees. They lasted from five minutes to 22 hours at a stretch. At times I was ready to just end it all rather than continue with that much pain. They would come at all different times of day or night. I was into the emergency room 5 different times. Finally, last week, I had emergency surgery after a five day stay in the hospital. I got out last Saturday and Monday, just two days later, was back into the ER with complications from the surgery and another hospital stay. I got out last night and am home in bed. Hopefully the worst is behind me and I am on recovery road, but I will probably not be out in the shop for a while. Even if I get better, I have a list of things to get done you wouldn't believe.

The video of Dr. Lindemann's conference presentation will be released Tuesday, August 9th. I have NO IDEA how much of that video is about this particular machine.

This is the longest I have been awake in over a week, so I am going back to sleep. Will check in later today.

[Matthew Jones]

What's your motivation for keeping things secret? Monetary, pomposity?
Not being judgmental, I just find it odd the rational people use to keep things to themselves especially in this field where people end up taking their secrets to an early grave.

Do you resent the idea of putting so much work into something then giving it away free to people who may not deserve it due to their general laziness or lack of motivation to figure it out themselves? I have a secret and that's basically the reason I keep it to myself lol. My own family doesn't know.
Although it has nothing to do with this field.

Its not DONE!! Simple..

[i_ron]

i_ron,

Thanks for all your words of concern and support when you realized that I had been sick and in the hospital on and off for the last few months. Oh wait, there weren't any words of concern and support for ME Your only concern was that YOU get the information YOU wanted before I die, or at least to make sure that someone you could get it from would be around after I die.

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This is the longest I have been awake in over a week, so I am going back to sleep. Will check in later today.

Unfortunately David that is the way it came though. I was hoping for more information as to your health state at the present before I expressed my concern. I am pleased to hear that you in recovery mode. I will say a prayer for you.

Ron

[Matthew Jones]

Unfortunately David that is the way it came though. I was hoping for more information as to your health state at the present before I expressed my concern. I am pleased to hear that you in recovery mode. I will say a prayer for you.

Ron

Why don't you tell him why you have to compare him to a fraud? Why don't tell everyone....UH??? Why is that the first thing you have to say? Go ahead make another excuse, see if that helps.

No two ways about it your a piece garbage. You ended this thread.. Have fun with it.

Matt

[citfta]

i_ron,

You got off to a really bad start with your post accusing Dave of being a fraud. I see you have now edited that post but those of us that consider Dave a friend have not forgotten what you posted. Why did you not just simply ask if there was anything new to report? You claim to have read several earlier posts so I am guessing you have been following this thread. If you have then you should have realized this thread is about a work in progress and as progress is made it is shared. Sometimes there is a lot to share and sometimes things go along for a while with nothing new to share.

As for you crybabies that want all the information about the generator that Matt and Dave are working on, that is not what this thread is about. This thread is to share research and results about the best way to use the three battery generating system that we have already shown is a way to get overunity or at least extend the use of your batteries well beyond their normal use. You guys remind me of the grasshopper in the Aesop's fable about the grasshopper and the ants. Read it and you might learn something.

Carroll