Basic Free Energy Device

[automan]

All the parts for the printer are already HERE. Benn buying parts every month. Just need to buy the frame. Wonder where I can get THAT? LOL.

Dave

I am working on the re-design of the MB-Bot rear Y carrier to add a small counter balance weight, this will remove the slop at the end of the axis hopefully. Then you can feel free to order the basic MB-Bot parts from me once I test it to be sure next week. Let me know what parts and day you want them. You can see more here M Prime One 3D printer by MBBot

TC and TTYS

[Sawt2]

The Arduino Nanos' come with long header pins usually, so you can use them on a breadboard or add small connector wires to them easily. I have the model without the extra pins added, more for use by developers who wish to mount them permanently or in a small case, which I also have if needed.

So, not the unit for a beginner huh?

[automan]

So, not the unit for a beginner huh?

Rank beginner no...They are meant for those who CAN solder a wire to a small circuit board correctly. So 1 step above beginner actually.

[ewizard]

The 3d printer still has the overheat warning. Because I haven't changed out that print head yet. With all the medical crap, I just haven't gotten to it. Recovering from KNEE surgery now. Once that is done I believe I have fixed every damn thing they have been able to find wrong with me. Going to AZ for a week, so maybe by the time I get back I will have recovered to the point I can go out in the garage and actually WORK on something, instead of sitting on my butt, whining.

I have at least ten different projects on my benches, and still have $$ put aside for another 3D printer, if I don't lose it playing craps in Laughlin on the way to AZ or the way back. (I've lost the last four times I played, which is a record for me. Never lost more than 3 times in a row in my life.) All the parts for the printer are already HERE. Benn buying parts every month. Just need to buy the frame. Wonder where I can get THAT? LOL.

Dave

If you flip a coin 5 times and it comes up heads all 5 times what are the odds it will come up tails on the next flip? 50/50 - just remember that when thinking about gambling

[citfta]

Here is some information for making a battery cycling program for use with the 3BGS circuit. In this example I am only using 4 batteries and letting one of them rest after it comes off the charge position.

Start by looking at the schematic for one battery. It gets connected to 3 dpst relays. You can use dpdt and just leave the normally closed connections open. As you can see each relay will connect the battery to a different part of the circuit that corresponds to one of the positions of the 3BGS circuit.

The next part is the Battery Cycling Chart. This chart shows which relays get turned on for each battery in each of the four cycles. We need four cycles because of the rest time after charge for each battery. If you want to give each battery a rest after coming off the A run position you will need to add another battery of course and another row and column to the chart to add that extra rest time.

If you study the chart a little it can be seen for the first cycle we need to turn on three relays all at the same time. So all the relays in the first column can be wired in parallel and turned on by one MOSFET or transistor. And of course the same is true for each of the next columns.

The last attachment is a basic program for a PICAXE processor. I am using the PICAXE 18x and letting the output turn on some MOSFET driver chips which then turn on the MOSFET for each cycle. As B1 in the program gets incremented it switches to the next output pin. Please note I am using pin 5 instead of 4 because I have a bad pin and forgot to modify the program back to use pin 4 before I uploaded it.

The last sub of the program is the timing part. Each time the pause reaches 20 seconds it increments B0 until B0 reaches a count of 60. This gives a time of 20 minutes per cycle. Each pause is 1 millisecond so you can adjust the timing by changing the pause time.

You will notice at the top of the program I have all pins turned off and a pause of 100 milliseconds. This allows all relays to drop out before the next relays pick up.

If you have any questions just ask. If I get time tomorrow I will upload a picture of my finished relay board to give you an idea of how I wired mine.

[Matthew Jones]

If you flip a coin 5 times and it comes up heads all 5 times what are the odds it will come up tails on the next flip? 50/50 - just remember that when thinking about gambling

LOL they removed the craps table at the local casino so David wouldn't show up and clean there clocks anymore. LOL Don't know what he does but he wins more than he loses. He's a pro. LOL

Matt

[Turion]

Gambling

I have a gambling fund started with $2,000 in 1975 when I got married, to keep my wife from worrying about my ADDICTION (DEFINITELY!) to gambling. The deal is, I have to pay for all meals, lodging, gambling expenses and gas for any trip to go gamble out of this fund and if it ever goes to $0, I am done. That was our deal. Now that fund has been raided MANY times over the years, once for a LOT of money to help buy a house, once to pay a semester of college tuition for one of my boys, and quite often to pay for stuff for THESE projects, but it is still going strong. When I go to places like Laughlin or Vegas, they comp my rooms and meals at the casino I go to because they know me, so all I have to fund is gas and gambling. (They also comp BOTH my boys whom I taught to play) So I ALWAYS stay in Laughlin on the way to Arizona because my meals and room are free, and I don't have to pay for gas (out of my fund) because the trip isn't exclusively for gambling.

Now, as to this energy stuff. Just so some of you know, my big generator has cost me OVER $3,000.00 to build with the changes, rebuilds, etc. That I have done, and about $400 of that was just for the wire, and another $450 just for magnets. I have been accused of all kinds of things and called all kinds of names for not SHARING how to build it, but who would have been able to replicate it anyway?????!!!!! Not only that, but it is already OBSOLETE because of what we have learned. Remember, I built version one well over two YEARS ago. As I said recently, you don't NEED the rotors and magnets.

You need five deep cycle BIG batteries for the 3 battery system
You need a method of rotating the batteries and I believe Carroll JUST POSTED that.
You need to understand that all your connections need to be made with #12 wire, not radio shack clip leads. (well, MAYBE #14 would work, but I hope you get the picture.)
And you need to understand what the 3 battery system DOES and what it is CAPABLE of doing before you are ready to move on.
You need to spend a heck of a lot of time with Matt's rewound pulse motor until you understand EXACTLY WHAT is going on with the system and WHY. And when you THINK you know what is going on, change some things up and see what happens. Put loads in different places.

And when all that is said and done, Take a LONG HARD look at that pulse motor and figure out (I know you can do it!) what it is. What it DOES. And what is LEFT when you remove the "rotor" and the "magnets" that I said you didn't need. You have to be a little creative in your thinking here, because the rotor I was speaking of was the one to hold the magnets, not the one in an actual motor. But I have faith SOMEONE will figure it out.

[citfta]

Here are a couple of pictures of my relay board. I built it using perfboard as I have found that the easiest to modify when working on prototype projects. In the picture of the top the relays are mounted with the normally open contacts next to the battery terminals and each battery terminal gets connected directly to those contacts. I used red wire for the positive connections and black wire for the negative connections.

The bottom picture is looking at the board with the board flipped from side to side. So the battery terminals are still the closest ones to you. You can see the buss bars I made using plain copper wire and how each relay common connection goes to the proper buss bar.

The relays are HUI KE HK19F relays. You can buy them on Ebay for about $1 apiece. They are too small for larger batteries as the contacts are only rated at 2 amps DC at 30 volts. However they should be fine for small test systems to prove the concept. I would not use them for batteries any larger than 7 to 12 AH.

The terminal strip on the far side of the board is for the control connections and the power to whatever type of load you plan to use. As Dave and Matt have said over and over it HAS to be a pulsing type of load for the 3BGS to work properly. I was having some good success keeping all my batteries up using some of the latest ideas from Matt and Dave and Bob. But I got tired of watching the clock and manually moving all the wires around so decided it was time to get serious and build a simple battery cycling system. This can easily be adapted to measure voltage and cycling batteries by that feedback. You would only need to add some voltage sensing circuits to you microprocessor and modify the program to change according to whatever settings you want. The relay board would not need any changes made to do that.

Also as I said in the earlier post you can easily add another battery to give a rest time after discharge and again after charge by making some simple mods to the timing chart and the program.

[blackchisel97]

Nice piece of work Carroll I had an older version of PICAXE programming editor which didn't want to open your file but just downloaded the current one - 6 and everything works fine.
I didn't use PICAXE since I built Bitt's TVA, back in Tesla Switch thread. Long time ago... forgot most of what I have learned about programming since LOL.

Thanks
V

[Turion]

Question

Some of you folks have been around here for a long time, so let me ask you a "Basic Free Energy Device" question...

When you pulse a coil and capture the energy that was put into the core plus the spike from the collapse of the coil, can you get as much out as you put in?

I think folks who have run pulse motors between the positives and used BIG deep cycle batteries, like Matt, Peter L., Carroll, Bob F. and myself would tell you YES you can. And what is a motor but two coils?

So if you pulse a coil that has an additional strand of wire on it, is the power produced by that second wire "free energy"?

If you pulse that coil and it turns the core into an electromagnet which induces electricity into another coil right next to it, wound on the same core, is the electricity induced in that second coil "free energy"?

What if you pulse TWO coils at the same time, wound on the same core with a third coil between them. Will this produce energy in that 3rd core?
This is MUCH like the Figuera device, only he shows a way to continually recycle that pulse by decreasing the pulse in one of the two primary coils while decreasing the pulse in the one on the opposite side in unison, and then reversing this, so that you alternate voltage in the two coils.

These things are all possible and they are all SIMPLE. They are all within the abilities of the average guy to construct if not solid state then at least mechanically. Whether you pulse the coils THROUGH the device like with the 3 battery system or build a setup like Figuera, there is still one IMPORTANT issue.

Where I believe we need to focus is what is the BEST electromagnet I can create for the LEAST voltage input and what is the BEST generating coil I can create to generate from an induced magnetic field in the core.

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

funny you bring this up as it's what I'm doing right now. I mean pulsing two coils with a third coil in between. Among different transformers, closed and open, I've been testing what the best setup would be in terms of which one has the best energy transfer ratio, plus which one recycles the most energy from the collapse, while transferring energy to the secondary coil. This to replace a pulse motor in the 3 batt system.
From what I've seen the best candidate seems to be a secondary coil sandwiched between two primary coils, all three sitting on an open ferrite core. It transfers about 85% from primary to secondary with a load on it, and it recycles about 55-60% back. This was with 12V so with higher potential it should be slightly better.
On the secondary I have tried the load with a diode so that it only gets the ON pulse from the primary throughout the transformer, then with the diode reversed so that it would run the load off of the collapse only, and finally with FWBR which would transfer both to the load. All this while monitoring efficiencies and recycle rate from the collapse of the primary. There are some differences but in the end I chose to use the FWBR.

Now I'm rotating 4 battery banks (2 x 7Ah in parallel each bank) every 20 minutes. This with a solid state SG + cap pulser with the mentioned coils. I mean a front bank and an output bank.
The next thing will be on a 3 battery system, but I first wanted to test if the system maintains charge with the SG pulser first.

anyway, just wanted to let you know.

Mario

[dragon]

Some of you folks have been around here for a long time, so let me ask you a "Basic Free Energy Device" question...

When you pulse a coil and capture the energy that was put into the core plus the spike from the collapse of the coil, can you get as much out as you put in?

I think folks who have run pulse motors between the positives and used BIG deep cycle batteries, like Matt, Peter L., Carroll, Bob F. and myself would tell you YES you can. And what is a motor but two coils?

So if you pulse a coil that has an additional strand of wire on it, is the power produced by that second wire "free energy"?

If you pulse that coil and it turns the core into an electromagnet which induces electricity into another coil right next to it, wound on the same core, is the electricity induced in that second coil "free energy"?

What if you pulse TWO coils at the same time, wound on the same core with a third coil between them. Will this produce energy in that 3rd core?
This is MUCH like the Figuera device, only he shows a way to continually recycle that pulse by decreasing the pulse in one of the two primary coils while decreasing the pulse in the one on the opposite side in unison, and then reversing this, so that you alternate voltage in the two coils.

These things are all possible and they are all SIMPLE. They are all within the abilities of the average guy to construct if not solid state then at least mechanically. Whether you pulse the coils THROUGH the device like with the 3 battery system or build a setup like Figuera, there is still one IMPORTANT issue.

Where I believe we need to focus is what is the BEST electromagnet I can create for the LEAST voltage input and what is the BEST generating coil I can create to generate from an induced magnetic field in the core.

The formula would suggest you can get 1/2 the energy from a coil ( .5 LI^2 ), adding more coils would simply share the energy available equally between them.

Since there is a "push" behind the pulse then the returns can be higher. One thing I found interesting while investigating the 3 battery system was how the efficiency changed ( increased ) by varying the difference between them. For instance going from 24 volt to 12 volt was a return of 50%... 48 to 36 jumps the return to 75% while still maintaining the 12 volt difference. Again jumping to 120 volts down to 108 increases the return to 90% - going to an extreme of 1000 volts to 988 volts the transfer is 98.8% efficient while still running a 12 volt load across the differences regardless of output power. Granted the load is still absorbing the percentage difference.

The figuera device is not much more than a pure sine inverter which, for the time era, was quite a masterful device using resistors to control current direction and intensity instead of switching. Your already using these in your device just a slightly more modern version....

Anyway, the 3BS does increase the run time between charges - the length of time depends solely on how efficiently you can return the energy while the batteries are in rotation. Any build will show success at varying levels, fun for all ages....

[blackchisel97]

Hi Mario,

Do you use straight ferrite as a core or other shape? This concept seems a bit similar to the Kunnel magnetic amplifier.

Thanks
V

[Mario]

Hi V,

it's 3 coils sitting on a straight ferrite core, right next to each other. This has not much to do with Kunel, no permanent magnets. This is just simple transformer action and recovery from the collapsing field.
For transformer action only, closed cores are more efficient of course, but here we also want to collect the collapsing field, and from what I've been testing an open core is much more suitable. An open core with just two coils has an inefficient transformer action, but it gets much better when you put the secondary between two primaries.

Mario

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi mario, i think you are correct.
I remember in the garry stanley motor thread, garry said the permanent magnet on both sides of the air core coil, created a kind of preloaded magnetic field, which made up for the fact that the coil did not have a ferromagnetic core.
In your idea, it is doing a similar thing, making up for the lack of a closed core and yet we can still maximize the collapsing field.
I will try that coil-core design, though i will wind a 2 strand coil (bifilar) on each side of a secondary, connected to function as a blocking oscillator.
peace love light