Basic Free Energy Device

[Sawt2]

I apologize for the very rough drawing but I'm out of time right now..

It's just a basic setup of a solid state SG running two primaries with a secondary in between with its load. the collapse of the primaries goes to a battery.
You can put this between the potential difference in the 3 batt setup instead of a pulse motor or SG. In that case you need bifilar coils on the primaries. The second (isolated) wire of each bifilar primary coil routes the collapse of the primaries to battery 3.
There's another setup where you can do the same without needing the bifilars to go to battery 3 but I want to test it first.

Mario

Thank you for posting the drawing and pic.

[Mario]

Guys,

I think there might still be some confusion. The transformer setup has nothing to do with Kunel, the Figuera device with its N and S coils, and it has no permanent magnets.
I wanted to do what Dave was talking about, meaning basically a 3 battery system with a transformer to replace and simulate a pulse motor. Like what P.Lindemann presented, only solid state.

You can NOT just use any transformer for this. I know because I did tests with different transformer types.

We want the collapse routed to the third battery, so the battery gets the direct straight ON pulse trough the transformer primary and it gets the collapse of the primary after that.
So we want something that has BOTH, a decent recycling ratio and a decent transfer rate from primary to secondary to drive the load.

Normal transformers have a good transfer rate but after the ON pulse they barely recycle anything back. It's also due to the closed core setup.

Having one multifilar winding serving as primary and secondary has the same problems. Good transfer from primary to secondary but bad very low recycling. Or very good for recycling if not used as a transformer during the ON pulse.

So the best solution to have both, from what I have seen, is an open core with the secondary sandwiched between two primaries. It also simulates best what a motored SG does. It passes energy to rotate the wheel during the ON pulse and recycles the collapsing field after that. Here we pass energy to the secondary and load during the ON pulse and recycle the field after that.
To be more precise the SG is still pushing the magnet away even during the collapse, since the current of the collapse keeps moving in the same direction. This current we send to the battery actually slows down the collapse and helps the coil in staying a magnet for a longer time (with respect to an open collapse which would be immediate and wasted). If you don't believe me try hitting a coil with a battery and watch how long the coil remains a magnet if the collapse it routed through a shorting diode…

Anyway, the sandwiched transformer behaves sort of the same way an SG or pulse motor does. You charge the primary while doing work on the secondary during the ON time. Then you collect the collapse of the primary back to the 3rd battery. Since the load is connected through an FWBR the load gets the ON time and the collapse from its own coil who's core is shared with the primaries which are also collapsing in that moment.
You can also just put a forward diode so that the load sees the ON pulse only, but from tests the FWBR seems to be the best option.

I'm not saying it is the best solution but it's the best I've seen so far.

Mario

[Peter Lindemann]

The Gold Star

Guys,

I think there might still be some confusion. The transformer setup has nothing to do with Kunel, the Figuera device with its N and S coils, and it has no permanent magnets.
I wanted to do what Dave was talking about, meaning basically a 3 battery system with a transformer to replace and simulate a pulse motor. Like what P.Lindemann presented, only solid state.

You can NOT just use any transformer for this. I know because I did tests with different transformer types.

We want the collapse routed to the third battery, so the battery gets the direct straight ON pulse trough the transformer primary and it gets the collapse of the primary after that.
So we want something that has BOTH, a decent recycling ratio and a decent transfer rate from primary to secondary to drive the load.

Normal transformers have a good transfer rate but after the ON pulse they barely recycle anything back. It's also due to the closed core setup.

Having one multifilar winding serving as primary and secondary has the same problems. Good transfer from primary to secondary but bad very low recycling. Or very good for recycling if not used as a transformer during the ON pulse.

So the best solution to have both, from what I have seen, is an open core with the secondary sandwiched between two primaries. It also simulates best what a motored SG does. It passes energy to rotate the wheel during the ON pulse and recycles the collapsing field after that. Here we pass energy to the secondary and load during the ON pulse and recycle the field after that.
To be more precise the SG is still pushing the magnet away even during the collapse, since the current of the collapse keeps moving in the same direction. This current we send to the battery actually slows down the collapse and helps the coil in staying a magnet for a longer time (with respect to an open collapse which would be immediate and wasted). If you don't believe me try hitting a coil with a battery and watch how long the coil remains a magnet if the collapse it routed through a shorting diode…

Anyway, the sandwiched transformer behaves sort of the same way an SG or pulse motor does. You charge the primary while doing work on the secondary during the ON time. Then you collect the collapse of the primary back to the 3rd battery. Since the load is connected through an FWBR the load gets the ON time and the collapse from its own coil who's core is shared with the primaries which are also collapsing in that moment.
You can also just put a forward diode so that the load sees the ON pulse only, but from tests the FWBR seems to be the best option.

I'm not saying it is the best solution but it's the best I've seen so far.

Mario

Mario,



Peter

[Mario]

Hi Peter,

thanks, I arranged my 4 battery banks to 2 x 7Ah in series each. On the output I'm running a load off the FWBR+cap which is almost 10 W. Input is about 0.7 amps, so in the C10 range.
So far I've done two complete cycles (switching manually) at 15 minutes each. letting the charged battery rest for a cycle.
Of course it's too early draw any conclusion yet but so far the batteries don't seem to have lost anything after resting

Mario

[Turion]

Great job Mario!

I hope all of you realize that you are now all chasing a cat.

There are lots of little things that can be done to improve on what Mario has done, but I know he is seeing RIGHT NOW what I saw.

[Mario]

Hi Dave,

I'm sure there are! Like building a bigger coil with more and thicker wire, which means more mass, less resistance, more radiant. I'm using 500V mosfets with about 20 nanosecs rise/fall times, diodes are UF5408.
And bigger batteries of course, but this is a small proof of concept. Oh, and automatic battery swapping.. what a pain doing it manually so many times...

Btw, I love cats

Mario

[citfta]

Hi Mario,

In case you missed it, if you go to post 1355 in this thread I have posted some information for a fairly simple automatic battery swapping circuit. I am using a Picaxe processor but you should be able to adapt the program for Arduino or other processor.

Carroll

[Mario]

Thanks Carroll, I'll look into it.

Mario

[Turion]

PM

Mario,
Check your PM's if you haven't already.

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, I am building a coil-core as mario describes also for testing, i will be using 24awg. secondary in middle and bifilar 24awg. on both sides.
I slid the ferrite core out of the multifilar coil and it works well also, draws a little more, though charges the 3rd battery that much better also.
peace love light

[Turion]

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[i_ron]

Hi all, I am building a coil-core as mario describes also for testing, i will be using 24awg. secondary in middle and bifilar 24awg. on both sides.
I slid the ferrite core out of the multifilar coil and it works well also, draws a little more, though charges the 3rd battery that much better also.
peace love light

Sky, about what ohms did the coils turn out? What frequency are you pulsing at?

thanks, Ron

[SkyWatcher]

Hi i_ron, if you are asking about the multifilar coil, each 24awg. strand is around 2.2 ohms, so since 2 are in parallel for the primary, that is 1.1 ohms.
Have not measured frequency, though i would guess between 15 - 20 khz
Getting ready to start winding the coils on the secondary in the middle coil design.
peace love light

[i_ron]

Hi i_ron, if you are asking about the multifilar coil, each 24awg. strand is around 2.2 ohms, so since 2 are in parallel for the primary, that is 1.1 ohms.
Have not measured frequency, though i would guess between 15 - 20 khz
Getting ready to start winding the coils on the secondary in the middle coil design.
peace love light

Thanks Sky, much appreciated

Ron

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, i just hooked up the mario's style coil-core, with secondary in middle and a primary on each side, with an open straight ferrite core.
Initial results look very good.
Just using the full wave bridge off secondary into 3rd charge battery causes the neon bulb across the transistor to light up, so i also hooked up the single high speed diode off the primaries into the 3rd charge battery and that turned off the neon and gives even better 3rd battery charging.
Keep in mind, the full wave bridge is a standard 60 hertz type slow diode design.
I also hooked up the bifilar primaries in parallel, which is probably why the neon comes on, must be a mismatch in impedance between the two coils, as i did not match them yet.
Though my quick observations of voltage drop on the primary series batteries and voltage rise in 3rd charge battery, plus the light output in led bulbs, it looks really good.
peace love light