Basic Free Energy Device

[desa]

@ Dave, Duncan and all.
The first, Dave I took your advice and was totally surprised I say totally surprised because this absolutly blows my mind. Considering setup I have it was easy to add resistive loade on the battery. As I started turning resistance up nothing happened. Previously I never passed this point but continued and at certen point it all started pulsing. The motor speed increased and dropped, the amps increased and dropped and so on until it all stabilased at 2.1A something. My analogs are 2A max. The thing that I absolutely can't reconcile Is that recirculating power exactly balanced with consuming power of variable resistor to stay in constant run without pulsing.
Now perhaps some one out there like you Dave, Matt or Duncan or anyone ,could you please help me to understand why adding independent resistive loade on battery 3 would increase motor speed (now running at 5300 RPM ). On top of it why would this increase exactly balance with recirculating power. It is definitly interactiv but I just can't see it how. I had not run it for any duration of time to determin if it also keeps batteries neutral as my last test but if I were to continue my understanding of this point is essential. Anyway I am starting to work on the generator and would try to arrive with resistance of the coils to the same point as is variable resistive load of 11.2 ohms. This is area where again I could see stable runn. The potential difference is in 2.7 to 3 V. See attachment.
@ Duncan thank you on elaborate input it is greatly apprisiated. Your extensive resrch and expiriance is valuable asset. I am slowly going trough all shortcuts and like what I see. Thank you for contributing.
David.

I remember from the testing I did years ago on this that when I increased the load on the motor, I once again had to balance it by adjusting the load on battery 3, but I was able to go back and forth running larger and larger loads by balancing it with a larger load on battery 3. I'm sure you will see this when you experiment more with this setup

[desa]

Here is the run at 5300 RPM. Short test because at the moment I am afraid to increase load before first disassembling motor to examin brushes and commutators. As you can see I placed all on glass surfaces so that all is clearly visible and could be no questions regarding power input. Black spot near resistor is support for glass table top.
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[soundiceuk]

There is yet another step in this hypothesis for the battery by extension also becomes a phenomenally efficient antenna and receiver. It should be considered that as a rule of thumb the higher a frequency the antenna becomes physically smaller. regardless - Note what happened when this fractal technology is applied to Radio antenna's by Nathan Cohen

I think this is a crude radiant energy receiver and the motor is acting as an antenna, diode and converter.


Are there sparks inside the motor?

It might be worth adding an earth ground to see if any further gain.

If a radiant energy receiver converts ions to electrons and this is where the energy gain is from in this device. There is a much larger collection area in the ground, especially if your ground rod touches the water table eg, well, stream, lake, river etc....

[Turion]

Thoughts.

Desa,

First of all, there are very FEW people out there who really understand how batteries work, and when you put them in THIS configuration, fewer still. All I can give you is my THEORY of why this works like it does, and I really have no way of proving it because getting conventional meters to work on this and give accurate data is a little tricky.

I BELIEVE when you put a load on battery 3, it pulls additional amps through the motor, speeding it up. That's my best guess. We know that the voltage doesn't seem to go up, so that leaves only amps. In the experiments I did, I could put a load on battery 3 and the motor speed would go up. OR (and you should try this) put a load on THE MOTOR and the charging to battery 3 greatly increases.

Either way, the load on battery 3 has to be balanced with the load on the motor. WHEN THE SYSTEM IS IN BALANCE or I used to say "in the zone" there is NO DISCHARGE of any of the batteries.

Desa, you are seeing something VERY FEW PEOPLE have seen from this system. Probably why so many just gave up. But when you finally SEE it, it's kind of hard to forget, isn't it?

As long as battery 3 is getting hit with a couple more volts (and some amps) more than what it is sitting at, its will charge. But then so will the primaries. With this configuration it is possible that we have voltage moving in directions we don't understand that are keeping both the primaries and the secondary charged. Because we KNOW the motor can act as a generator. so where does THAT power go in this system, when it is balanced?

[Matthew Jones]

Here is the run at 5300 RPM. Short test because at the moment I am afraid to increase load before first disassembling motor to examin brushes and commutators. As you can see I placed all on glass surfaces so that all is clearly visible and could be no questions regarding power input. Black spot near resistor is support for glass table top.
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By adding a load across battery 3 you are reducing the resistance. @15v your batteries internal resistance is pretty high because your talking about the resistance between the positive pole and the ground pole. And your potential difference is really small so you do not have the ability to push much current.

So then you parallel another load to battery 3 like the resistor which is dumping power to the ground pole and that lowers the overall resistance of the system. So you no longer are solely dependent on the batteries ability to sink or transform the current.

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing but I am not fan of it. Its just burning power. Fortunately in your case and others enough power is still making it through the system on the ground side to keep the primaries going while you hold up battery 3. It would be better to catch all that power and distribute it back to the system. With Battery 3 at 15 volt and an 11.2 ohm resistance your burning off just over 20 watts. Thats kinda big considering your motor motor cost nothing. Whats saving you is that motor oscillating faster. The faster oscillation are now going negative at a higher rate and the primaries keep there potential.

I explained how power travels in the system before but I'll go through again.

You can look at a battery/bank 2 ways if you measure it with the red lead on the red pole you will get positive. If you flip the lead you read a negative voltage. So depending on what point of time you are at when running one of these systems and depending how charged the third battery is. Every time your motor pulses, the pulse on the wire PLUS the charge in the third battery is higher in potential than the primaries. So you get a pulse that goes from the negative of the third battery up to the negative of the primaries that is at a higher potential than the primaries and your primaries appear not to discharge. But in fact all your doing is circulating energy in a DC loop while maintaining the separate dipoles.

Its kinda hard to grasp but once you see it happening and understand how everything is flowing then you can start to grasp whats possible.

I think instead of burning that extra power I would move it back upstairs. You get the benefits of the potential system and you get more control over the potential. Ideally you might be able to charge all the batteries up to 14-15 volt and everything in the system would become more efficient while delivering the ability to do more work.

Matt

[wrtner]

It might be worth adding an earth ground to see if any further gain.

... and even put a meter in the line to see what is happening.

[Matthew Jones]

Somewhere along the line maybe 30 page +- back we did use earth grounds and nothing was different. Nothing changed.

You do not need to include the environment in anyway to make this work. The system is the extent of the active environment.You build the environment and everything you need is right there. Until you add a generator to the shaft of the motor and start generating extra current or radiant spikes or what ever it is you choose to use. And really that just extends the environment you put in place.

There is no need to factor in a mystery element. Its all very, very practical once your system is running correctly.

Matt

[Turion]

I think instead of burning that extra power I would move it back upstairs. You get the benefits of the potential system and you get more control over the potential. Ideally you might be able to charge all the batteries up to 14-15 volt and everything in the system would become more efficient while delivering the ability to do more work.

Matt

Matt, would the best way to "move it back upstairs" be to put another boost module in parallel with battery 3 in place of the resistor somehow?

[Matthew Jones]

Matt, would the best way to "move it back upstairs" be to put another boost module in parallel with battery 3 in place of the resistor somehow?

Ya thats how I ran one 15 days without loosing any power.

You just hook the boost module to the 3rd battery and set it to run at a slightly higher voltage than the 2 serial batteries. You can put a current meter between the boost and serial batteries and see exactly how much current your sending back upstairs, so you can match it to the load or slightly less. The system should stay just as stable.

I'll post a diagram soon to better explain. I think with an efficient boost converter you can actually charge things up a bit.

Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi all, Hi matt, thanks for sharing as always.
I tried the boost converter on 3rd battery, then sending output back to serial batteries, it does seem to be working well.
Thing is, i thought that was a no no, to charge batteries that are discharging, then again, if the serial batteries are not declining in voltage, except for the voltage drop under load, then maybe that is different.
peace love light

[Matthew Jones]

Hi all, Hi matt, thanks for sharing as always.
I tried the boost converter on 3rd battery, then sending output back to serial batteries, it does seem to be working well.
Thing is, i thought that was a no no, to charge batteries that are discharging, then again, if the serial batteries are not declining in voltage, except for the voltage drop under load, then maybe that is different.
peace love light

Your not trying to charge them you are just sending the power back up stairs to get reused. Or your just relieving the load. It not like turning the battery on to discharge then hitting with charge pulse while its off. Like for instance the story about using one battery with the Bedini/Watson machine. Thats creates ION friction that dries the fluid out.
In this case we are just paralleling another power source to the battery, like adding a fresh charged battery.
Then to top it off (and this is an if) if the batteries all stay around 14.5+ volts and are not boiling then we are not hurting them at all.

Matt

[SkyWatcher]

Hi matt, thanks for the information, yes that makes sense to me.
I used the cen-tech 400 watt inverter splitting the positives without any load, as that draws .54 amps by itself.
So for 3 hours or so, i was running around a 7 watt load.
The batteries have settled back to about 12.75 volts each.
I will run this system for more hours and see what happens.
peace love light

[Duncan]

There is somewhere back in the mists of time an episode where Technocatcher introduced solid grounding with spectacular results (for a while)
David - 3BGS frustrating back then. frustrating still ! A motor, a flywheel, a circuit, and a generator.? Just think David of the first device you described to me in that hotel room long ago - One motor and two batteries one old flat and unloved along with the happy accident of leaving it all connected. I only say this because somewhere in that simple single wire circuit MUST BE the meat of COP>1. ergo whilst flywheels,generators resistors and extra circuitry might help you refine or tune its not strictly the most basic requirements - is it ? (IT CAN'T BE) - To put it brutally you had the components needed on the table in that basement long ago and by chance I reproduced it with dramatic effect. . a backward glance should tell you anything else is 'fluff'
Still I really hope I'm wrong and it results in something 100% re-producible for you this time! Its certainly deserved. for all my electrical schooling there is something here that doesn't fit into standard science in any shape or form. In fact not being worried by ridicule I'll expand a bit on that . Energy (and more particularly free energy) is our focus. Standard electrical theory tells us energy = power x time (hence you pay for KW /Hrs so KW= (power) Hrs =(Time)
Its important to realize this is an empirical statement anything else is an anathema to known science.
It takes no account of the many cases of spontaneous combustion for instance, or the activities of the likes of this gent -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15joiPFCN88
or millions of tons of water hanging in the sky.
The trouble for we researchers is the energy thats lighting LEDs in John's hand is not measurable with any equipment we have available. anymore than is the energy lifting millions of tons of water thousands of feet every day. It isn't volts, amps or watts , It is electricity but a very very different sort and (mathematically at least) in a different dimension. Ohm's law then only comes into play as a secondary effect.
Physic's has taken electricity which has no substance,mass,smell,taste and which all tutors will tell you isn't understood and attributed it with workman like units.- They missed a dimension out, If I was charitable I would say accidentally but as I'm not all that bright and If I can see it as a huge elephant in the room when its pointed out then for sure many others have too.
This business of giving electricity force and workable units starts with the Lorentz/ Einstein force laws . which arrives in school as Maxwells corkscrew rule and Flemings right and left hand rules .
Magnetic forces
Nothing wrong as far as it goes ! from this comes what you see on oscilloscopes, voltmeters, ammeters
and all the other instruments. It does whats expected and follows the laws.
The trouble is there is no account taken of the electrostatic force. Its missing,omitted, abandoned and assumed not to exist.
This then opens the stage for a dimension of electricity and wireless which we have no idea how to engineer and can have very unexpected effects. ergo Its not going to follow ohms law. or any other taught dogma. we are not going to see it with known work shop instruments. I don't pretend to have the sub-atomic answers to whats happening with your systems David Indeed I viewed the motor as an antenna for a while just as soundiceuk does. until I tried the simple capacitor circuit that is explained in my last post .
I don't believe thats the case now. What your system has in common with any system is it must have timing (or frequency if you will) also it has in common with any electrical system the requirement of resonance to change energy from one form to another like electrical energy to the electromagnetic wave (radio) for instance.
As a result of that first very simple circuit you connected David we know without doubt thats series resonance (Its a single wire circuit from source) unlike Radio which is parallel resonance - a tank circuit.
Resonance (series or parallel) is absolutely frequency dependent
Resonant Frequency Calculator
and that is I believe the principle part flywheels .varying loads and speeds play in order to try and hold that mass of crystals at resonance frequency (or a harmonic there of) whilst they are frustratingly busy changing back into a very low internal resistance perfectly 'good battery'
Chrystal's - to energy - Thomas Trawoger studies pyramids , part of his study involves charging changing and stabilizing crystals to produce electricity . I really don't expect anyone to sit through hours of chew and so I direct to circa 1H40min as Thomas alterers the polarization of a much more stable Chrystal than our lead sulphate - quartz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7GYlo-6Kng
I guess I shouldn't use the term polarization as it is an electromagnetic description and we are in a very different place . wireless, crystals, and electrostatics the term in this totally different dimension is I understand called 'Poling'
https://www.comsol.com/blogs/piezoel...ing-direction/ Is it really such a leap to consider that a box of crystals vibrated in unison at the right frequency could like the piezo quartz effect produce energy ? and also lots of crystals = lots of energy ?
http://www.explainthatstuff.com/piezoelectricity.html
It should also be noted that even the very best electromagnetic wave has electrostatic content. go near a transmitter antenna you'll soon find out! I assume that holds good in reverse so a magnet can effect Chrystal 'poling' . I don't mean to derail the huge efforts being made here, I'm sure I won't, every ones an independent thinker spending their own money to follow their beliefs after all.
Still my direction is at such a tangent to the general thrust I don't post very often still I am very interested and do trawl these posts and you'll excuse if now and then now and then I add grist to the mill . Duncan
PS I will also post a series of documenaries in due course David that explain step by step the causes and effects of this corruption of energy. Not that you are not fully aware yourself .. many are not

[Turion]

3 Battery System

Duncan,
I would LOVE to replicate my original system, and have been trying for 8 years. I will probably NEVER STOP trying, because I agree that three batteries that continue to hold their power while running a motor with no other electronics needed is priceless. Unfortunately, I can't find a substitute for that amazing "bad" battery I had. But I will never stop trying. Like I said, I believe it has to do with flipping the magnetic polarity of the battery which causes it to go "negative."

So while I go on searching for that replacement, I also know that with 3 GOOD batteries, you can get some incredibly extended runs. My work with the 3BGS showed me this, because, as you know, the damn thing FIXES bad batteries. I saw runs far, FAR, longer than you SHOULD be able to get off three batteries, according to common wisdom.

And I have seen that running loads on the potential difference between two sources of power is NOT LIMITED to batteries. The output of my generator can be the "high side" potential and the batteries that are used to run the motor can be the "low side". This means the power that comes out of the generator goes THROUGH the motor to run it before going into the run batteries to charge them. The motor runs for "free" while turning the generator, so the batteries are really just used to get the thing started, and then it runs off the potential difference between the generated output and the batteries. I have had a FEW experiences with that, and will continue to work on it. I have also burnt up a couple motors messing with that, but rewinding motors has become my life, despite the fact that I HATE it.

What we are showing people here is a whole NEW way to look at how to use electricity. And it doesn't require any "extra" to come in from the vacuum or from anywhere else. It takes advantage of the way DC electricity works. It takes advantage of our ability to run loads on the POTENTIAL difference without destroying the dipole. It takes advantage of the fact that when you collapse an inductor you can get more out of it than you put in. It takes advantage of the fact that there are ways around Lenz. It puts all we have learned into one system that can be built by the average guy and will have a COP>1. Much greater.

Right now I feel like so FEW people are involved that we will be LUCKY to get a dozen folks to build the little motor that is at the center of all this, along with the circuit we are using. But we will see. As the old saying goes...You can lead a horse to water, but you can't cram free energy down its throat. Or something like that. I was never very good with old sayings.

Dave

[Turion]

Schematic

I think what we need to do to get everyone on the right page is to make sure that

1. The specs on the motor revision Desa has come up with are clear to everyone. So that everybody has a motor running that is in the ballpark for having some success, otherwise nobody is going to get it.

2. If Matt tries out his driver idea to reduce the amp draw on the motor, and it works, adding that to the mix.

3. A schematic posted here that shows exactly how to wire this setup with indications on it of WHERE and HOW to measure, so it can be tuned correctly. That has ALWAYS been a pain.

I think that about sums up where we are now, and I know Matt said he would post some schematics of how to incorporate the second boost module.

Dave