Basic Free Energy Device

[jim glinski]

Battery

I meant with all of the charging and discharging going on they may deteriorate battery's with the paste do but battery's with out don't from what I've read . at 15 volts they should last a long time but the flexing of the plates might cause a problem or not . we will have to wait and see long term running. The old timers used bath tubs for cels and sheets of lead with out paste and lasted . just a thought..

[kryszal05]

Happy New Year

I would like to thank you for all what you share here, your passion and experience. Also would wish you all the best in year 2017 - many new, great ideas and of course happiness

Hope to here you soon. Greetings from Poland.

Lukasz

[Wistiti]

Hi guys!
Long time before I post on this tread but as I have said, im back with my last setup...

What we use instead of a modified motor coupled to a generator is a water pump to a pelton well generator. This way no drag on the 3bgs and moore easy to stabilyse!

Hope you like the idea! Until now it look promising... time will tell!

[Sawt2]

Hi guys!
Long time before I post on this tread but as I have said, im back with my last setup...

What we use instead of a modified motor coupled to a generator is a water pump to a pelton well generator. This way no drag on the 3bgs and moore easy to stabilyse!

Hope you like the idea! Until now it look promising... time will tell!

Very interesting
Be curious as to how that pans out.

[Wistiti]

Here is the number after the first test.

The test last almost 7h. I say almost cause 3 time the module feeding the 24v side get out of tuning unattended for maybe a long period... It's still hard for me to tune the 3bgs part...

The first module give an equal 13,5v at 4 amp to the pump.

Start:
B1 12,73
B2 12,55
B3 12,05
Bload (the Pelton well gen give its power to 2 // batt.) 12,13


End after disconnect everything and let it rest for 16h
B1 12,49
B2 12,12
B3 12,05
Bload 12,20

first conclusion:
I have to find a better way to stabilyse the 3bgs part.
Improve on the generating part must be done... The pump itself is not made to put out high psi so the Pelton well does not spin fast enough to give interesting power...
So far we have to optimize all the thing on it... To be continue!

Ps:I will let you know when we achieve better result. It may take some time cause im also working on other project...
Ciao!

[jim glinski]

Battery

Hay turion about the three battery system .... With one battery only charging to four volts and in a charging rotation how does that work out ?? Is that how it is with John b .system ?? I mean the set up before he died?. The one Peter l. Was working on .it has to be that way ? Will it desulfate soner or later ?

[Turion]

Questions

jim,
I'm not entirely sure exactly what setup you have or exactly what you are asking, so I hope this helps.

If you are running the 3 battery system, you want to leave the battery you are trying to restore in the 3rd position. You also MUST have a pulse motor wired between the positives. If you do NOT, you are NOT "pulsing" that third battery and it will NOT charge correctly.

If that battery CAN be restored, this system will do it. I have restored well over a hundred batteries this way. However, sulfation is not the only thing that will kill a battery, so there is no guarantee you will restore the one you are attempting to restore.

ROTATING the batteries is only for batteries that you KNOW are good and will take a charge. That is done to keep them all at the highest charge possible while running a load.

Dave

[jim glinski]

Turion

Sorry if I wasn't clear .in a older post I think you said that you needed a battery in the third position that would not charge much not mechanical Damage just sulfated .or you would not get good results . well it's sulfated condition wouldn't allow it to charge? And with time it might desulfate changing the conditions for the good results? I'm a little confused .what's happing with the system that I don't see? Jim:

[Turion]

Jim,
In the "3 Battery Generating System" thread we spent years trying to develop a battery in the third position that would do what my original "bad" battery did, with varying degrees of success. Mostly we restored lots of sulfated batteries. Bottom line is...we basically called it quits working with a "bad" battery, (at least on the public forum...no sense wasting EVERYONE'S time) which is why we pretty much abandoned that thread and started THIS one to show what could be done with that circuit using 3 GOOD batteries.

[Turion]

Response

Jim,
As to your question about what is happening with this system that you don't see, I guess that depends on what system you are running. Do you just have three batteries? Do you have three batteries and the Modified razor scooter motor? Have you added a boost module to that to boost voltage to the motor? Have you added a second boost module to that to take power back to the primaries? What you "see" is going to depend on a lot of variables. What size are your batteries? What condition are they in? Which of the many setups I talked about above are you running?

[jim glinski]

Turion

Sorry about the confusion I'm at the moment just trying to under stand what's what with the system .no battery's yet wasn't sure if I would be setting up right . I'm limited financially and have to wait till the fund's arrive. I'm like those people. Retired living under the poverty line .looking for answers .to my energy needs got burnt by other projects going slowly looking for that extra 100 to 200 Watts .solving critical life problems don't trust the government it changes every 4 to8 years .who knows what's next really. I will start out with smaller battery's then move up .will get the motor then the boost converters.just looking for a couple of replications so this will move from theory to reality better . motor rewinds are something new to me that will take time. The battery rotation circuit will be a challenge .I've been looking at patents and found one were a guy is removing lock up with magnets operating in reverse from the lock up like North to North in that area . and about the magnets biasing the coils it does speed it up but by using a phony brake and reducing the incoming wattage returning it to the previous horse power you might reduce overall power consumption.thanks Jim

[fan1701]

Finally.giving it a try

Hi Turion, and all. I finally gave it a try. First with the scootor motor (no mods yet). Then I tried it with a solenoid motor. Now in this video with my bike wheel SSG.
Is this wiring laid out right? I know the battery sizing is wrong and the small leads are also wrong. What I wanted to be sure of was the motor is between the positives of the 24v batts (batt 1&2) and the 12v batt(batt3). Thanks. This system is really cool. Wished I had tried it years ago.


3 battery generation system attempt. - YouTube

The scootor motor charges like crazy! When I load the scootor motor it charges even better.

Thanks

al

[Turion]

Jim,
If you are just starting out, my best advice would be to wait until you can afford three large 6 volt deep cycle golf cart batteries. You can run a rewound motor on six volts, and work your way up to six of them eventually. When you want 12 volts for a different experiment, put two of them together.

If you want some batteries to run experiments on, look behind private auto repair shops or at salvage yards.

[fan1701]

Hi all. Another run but with a my1016. I'm going to make up some good size cables replace the crappy clip leads.

3BGS attempt. MY1016 motor un-modded. - YouTube

Thanks,

al

[Turion]

Info

Unless you are pulsing that MY1016, you don't have the coil collapse that assists the charging part of the setup. You could do it with a 555 timer, or devise something that shuts off power for a split second as the motor rotates. You've got a big wheel attached. That should help you figure out a way to pulse. The increased load helps with charging, but also with the DISCHARGING of the primaries. Been there, done that.

Dave