GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[shylo]

Not at my age.

[Aaron]

water generator scam

At $14,885.00 and a "grid" cost of .18 per kwh comes out to a total of 82,694Kwh - pre paid... If you use 250 kwh per month from the grid then it would take 330 months to pay for itself - or 27 years. Even if it's not a scam --- is it really worth it?

You can have a 6-7000 watt or so complete solar system for that price and that includes a battery bank with some money to spare.

Patrick Flanagan supposedly bought a 5kw unit - something posted on Peswiki about it.

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Just see that Sterling already has a page up about this: Directory:GDS Technologies' Portable Water Generators - PESWiki "Patrick Flanagan, who just purchased a 5kW system, brought this one to our attention."

Seems to be real then....

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Then right after, got this...

I have taken a closer look at the video and the discussion at overunity.com: GDS 3 KW generator runs on water I'm afraid we have to be skeptical about this one. It appears there are two inverters in the box as well as an electric motor connected to a generator by a belt. I see no signs of any kind of usage of the water nor of the presence of a turbine as claimed in the video. Also, there is very little information available about the company nor the contact person Gregory Potter. Of course I may be mistaken, but based on the information that we have I would think this is likely a scam.

[ewizard]

I just picked up this about how it creates power but I'd still be very skeptical: "it converts water to hydrogen, burns the hydrogen across the Peltiers and stores the power in the dual batteries."

I can't believe it could produce that much power with Peltier's in a package that size.

[Aaron]

hydrogen flame > peltier > battery

Interesting concept, but Peltiers aren't very efficient. Anything is possible but I wouldn't spend a dime based on that video because of too many red flags.

Do you know if this hydrogen heat > Peltier > battery is going on at the same time that its powering a load?

Even if they got some unusual extra heat > electric doing this, those batteries won't last very long if they're being charged by this mystery Peltier charge at the same time that the batteries are powering a load.

But aside from the possible battery issue, I'd love to see enough charge going to the batteries from that concept.

It would be awesome if they actually had something and I'm sure time will tell.

[Ernst]

here you can see a peltier element converting the light of 4 candles into 1 half lit bicycle bulb. Near the end he tries to light the bulb a bit more brightly by setting fire to the table (or so I thought).

So yes, now I am completely convinced that you could run a household on a few of those, except for your airco's of course because they would cool the peltier elements.

One more question though, where does he get the energy to split water into hydrogen and oxygen? Also from those peltier elements?

Well this is really very convincing.

At $14,885.00 and a "grid" cost of .18 per kwh comes out to a total of 82,694Kwh - pre paid... If you use 250 kwh per month from the grid then it would take 330 months to pay for itself - or 27 years.

That is excluding devaluation. Suppose money devaluates at a rate of 3 % per year (in reality it is much more), then the initial sum is doubled after 14 years. Meaning that if it takes longer than 14 years (without devaluation) then it will take forever.
You can safely bet that you will never get money out of this investment, even if it would actually work.



Ernst.

[Aaron]

peltier and roi

I think it will take a few "quantum leaps" in material sciences before Peltier type technology will ever do anything on a practical scale.

I wonder what the peltier would output if you put a torch to it instead of a candle. I've seen some pencil lead aluminum wire ones, etc... but didn't see a regular manufactured one. There are some thermoelectric generators for camping to take heat from a propane stove, etc... and charge a cell phone battery, but we're still talking about flea power.

For thousands of watts to power an AC, we'd have to a room full of these things - or perhaps they developed their own advancements or have some unique arrangement of them??

In regards to ROI, it's not impressive, but for me, ROI is only one of many considerations. I'm willing to pay more to get me closer to independence - so I'm willing to pay for the benefit even if it doesn't pay me back in any reasonable time.

I replaced my windows with triple pane windows that only have a 0.2 U factor. They're only about 20-25% more costly than double pane windows that only have a 0.3 U factor. 20-25% more expensive but about 50% less heat loss so it's worth it. With my 7.5 cents per kw/h here in Spokane, ROI is a long ways off even with the power company rebates, but with significant savings like that it makes it easier for me to accomplish off the grid with solar and that's fine with me.

[Dog-One]

It would be awesome if they actually had something and I'm sure time will tell.

What we ought to do is pool some resources and go there in person, buy a unit and test it right there in his driveway. If it works we can figure out what to do next; if it don't work, we should hold this guy's feet to the fire and make an example out of him for the next guy that pulls a similar stunt. We would win either way.

[tutanka]

I just picked up this about how it creates power but I'd still be very skeptical: "it converts water to hydrogen, burns the hydrogen across the Peltiers and stores the power in the dual batteries."

I can't believe it could produce that much power with Peltier's in a package that size.

No sense this theory for me.
We have mechanical parts in movement.
first motor seem an scroll compressor 12v connected to the generator.
The water is used just for make steam and have sense, the datasheet refer to an steam turbine.
They use just the resistor for make steam like an little boiler using one of these inverters.
I have found another strange device inside the video and for me is the little boiler connected to the scroll compressor, see the extracted image..
Here little video about an scroll compressor/generator used with steam https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbwvQ0INF8

BUT THE MAIN QUESTION IS: FOR MAKE STEAM YOU NEED AN SOURCE ENERGY AND IN THIS CASE THEY USE AN BATTERY.. BUT THE ENERGY RETURN BACK INSIDE THE BATTERY FOR REPEAT THE CYCLE AGAIN AND AGAIN??

[Cornboy 555]

Impressive, but do you really think these guys would be allowed to market something like this?.

At best, if it were true, it could only be used as backup or for standard generator occasional use.

To run one of these 24/7, for refrigeration etc, you would have horrendous service costs far outweighing the fuel costs. Example : Belt, bearings, batteries etc etc.

Solar with batteries is a far better choice.

Now if it could power a vehicle, that's different.

Warm Regards Cornboy.

PS. I didn't see any sign of steam on the demo.

[DeLorean]

The pictures also remind me of something a while back that was photoshopped gas gen pics from a Chinese warehouse with similar claims - think that was out of Spain. This company also seems to have a site in Spain....

At the beginning of the video he says "ola" what´s espaniol.
Where is the spanish webside?

[RAMSET]

quick update

Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents
sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]

He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,
also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery

He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...

I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...

Yet


He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.

more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't

Chet

[tutanka]

Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents
sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]

He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,
also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery

He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...

I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...

Yet


He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.

more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't

Chet

OK but how work this device?? I hope you have talk also about the reaction.. or not??

[ewizard]

Yes I agree it would take a room full of Peltiers and nothing so far gives any hint of how this could actually produce the power claimed. Chet sounds like he was trying to get off the phone quickly by saying he was overwhelmed - with 10 orders?

Anyway the Turkey has been identified:

[SilverToGold]

I do not think it's a "Peltier" device. Far too inefficient for these power levels.

It is instead a "Pelton" wheel device connected to the water chamber.

See this photo of his device:



And see this photo of a Pelten Wheel driven micro hydro turbine, it is exactly the same:





Here's a video: Generator for Pelton Wheel - Micro Hydro Turbine Build - YouTube

They're the same thing as far as I can tell.

These micro generators can do the following: "It is rated at 2000 watts at 1400 rpm, and up to 4000 watts at 2800 rpm."

As far as I can tell, there is no HHO involved in this device either unless he is somehow using it to power the wheel. But not sure how he would do that.

I don't know how it works but the water is for some sort of mechanical movement of the Pelten wheel. That much is certain.

[wrtner]

Sigh...
is scrambling to get his International patents
sorted ... only Canadian patents in place

Did he mention anything about patents? I cannot find anything in the Canadian office; maybe somebody else can:

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