GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[Aaron]

stock

Chet sounds like he was trying to get off the phone quickly by saying he was overwhelmed - with 10 orders?

And what happened to having a couple hundred in stock according to Paypal or some other reference?

[Aaron]

Canadian Patent Search

These are the last 107 patent applications in Canada for green energy technologies: Green Technologies

Nothing in connection to this invention or company or the Potter name.

[Aaron]

Tesla's Fountain Patent

I do not think it's a "Peltier" device. Far too inefficient for these power levels.

It is instead a "Pelton" wheel device connected to the water chamber.

There is definitely no reference to Peltier or Hydrogen on their website or in any of the data sheets, etc...

EWizard - the person who told you (if that is how you found out) Peltier probably misheard it.

Their literature says the start method is battery.

So in concept, the battery through inverter probably heats the water to steam like Alex said and that steam is channeled to that Pelton wheel, that spins and produces electricity to power the loads and top the battery off?

At this point, its probably more important to understand the sequence of steps in their process instead of trying to validate if it is "overunity" or not.

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If it works, this is what I think it is so far:

Tesla's Fountain patent Patent US1113716 - Fountain. - Google Patents claims he can pump 100 gallons of water per minute for 1/25 horsepower. 764 / 25 = 30.56 watts.

30.56 watts to pump 100 gallons of water per minute is ASTOUNDING.

"According to the Pico hydroelectric turbine it is possible to create about 750Watts from 100 GPM of water."

Here is a thread that discusses this: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...mentation.html

I've seen a handful of these "overunity" claims for pelton wheel setups.

Maybe using that Tesla Fountain setup to get the water to come out circular and a duct to channel it right to the Pelton Wheel.

[SilverToGold]

Hi Aaron, I just was referring to what everyone seems to be saying in this thread about the Peltier module, I think they just misheard it and what was meant was Pelton wheel. Our minds have a way of hearing what we want to hear.

I believe it may also be something really simple in regards to the water pump with HHO, if the device really uses HHO.

Here's an interesting video by George Wiseman on a super efficient water pump with no moving parts that runs on HHO...

George Wiseman Describes Al Throckmorton's Overunity Water Pump at TeslaTech 2014 - YouTube

This may be the mechanism as it is "very" efficient from what was stated.

This being stated, I am still not convinced on the HHO aspect that this device uses HHO. I just don't see enough space or anything that looks like a HHO generator in that cabinet. I think people are reading too much into it and they automatically think HHO when they hear "water" and "power".

And I am not by any means an expert on steam but I know that steam can be very difficult and dangerous to work with. I just don't see that at work here either. There's just not that much space in that little water compartment....

How about this mechanism? A water pump that supposedly created energy.

SELFRUNNING FREE ENERGY MACHINE - YouTube

There is definitely no reference to Peltier or Hydrogen on their website or in any of the data sheets, etc...

EWizard - the person who told you (if that is how you found out) Peltier probably misheard it.

Their literature says the start method is battery.

[Cherryman]

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Here's an interesting video by George Wiseman on a super efficient water pump with no moving parts that runs on HHO...

George Wiseman Describes Al Throckmorton's Overunity Water Pump at TeslaTech 2014 - YouTube

This may be the mechanism as it is "very" efficient from what was stated.

This being stated, I am still not convinced on the HHO aspect that this device uses HHO. I just don't see enough space or anything that looks like a HHO generator in that cabinet. I think people are reading too much into it and they automatically think HHO when they hear "water" and "power".

And I am not by any means an expert on steam but I know that steam can be very difficult and dangerous to work with. I just don't see that at work here either. There's just not that much space in that little water compartment....

How about this mechanism? A water pump that supposedly created energy.

SELFRUNNING FREE ENERGY MACHINE - YouTube

Hi,

I did some HHO or browngas explosion testing with water pumping and sucking back in 2010
Very crude testing, but interesting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWdA...m3h6zbFiO6w84Q

I don't think this thing is running on HHO

From the look of it, its a efficient high speed water pump and a Pelton like wheel. Just like the vid you showed.

I think he has a separate start battery and a running battery. To prevent it from starting after runing dry or something when on load and you are not around.

As for all the other stuff i read about hoaxing, patents, advertising etc.

I think if two people, tinkering around invent something... They could act like this. People make stupid mistakes when excited. I cannot see why you hoax this and put your face and address along with it.
Short time policy, more trouble as profit.

I think they themselves believe it works and are just amateurs in over their head now...

They did not realize the impact.


Lets wait and see it vanish...

( If true, it gets suppressed )
( If not true it vanishes as well..)

So take a good last look !

[RAMSET]

a small update

AS noted I spoke with Mr. Potter this AM [830 AM EST USA 10/27/14]

He was quite overwhelmed Quote: some Turkey posted my Units on 3 different Forums this weekend',I have 1500 Emails and spent all day on the phone fielding call Sunday"

Sigh......

Just some "facts"
The units Run at 100% duty cycle nonstop for 12hrs then need some "quiet time" [cpl hours to cool down]
they will be working on this down the road but felt comfortable selling
with this stipulation ?

the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts, the extra runs the water pump and ancillary systems.

there will be no upfront purchase or money collection ,units are 100% GUARANTEED as advertised or money back.
presently no inventory for sale [was noted elsewhere that alibaba had some advertisement with wholesale 400 units per month claim , no US delivery]
He expects Factory units to be available Dec !% 2014 .

testing is absolutely a non issue with Mr.Potter [Bring it on attitude]

as already mentioned he is meeting with international patent Lawyers this week [presently only Canadian Patent]

If I think of any other relevant comments I will add

last cpl days for me have been busy with medical issues.
time is tight.

respectfully
Chet

[Parav]

I do not think it's a "Peltier" device. Far too inefficient for these power levels.

It is instead a "Pelton" wheel device connected to the water chamber.

See this photo of his device:



And see this photo of a Pelten Wheel driven micro hydro turbine, it is exactly the same:





Here's a video: Generator for Pelton Wheel - Micro Hydro Turbine Build - YouTube

They're the same thing as far as I can tell.

These micro generators can do the following: "It is rated at 2000 watts at 1400 rpm, and up to 4000 watts at 2800 rpm."

As far as I can tell, there is no HHO involved in this device either unless he is somehow using it to power the wheel. But not sure how he would do that.

I don't know how it works but the water is for some sort of mechanical movement of the Pelten wheel. That much is certain.

Hi Silver to Gold

I think you are spot on, -on this one --I agree with you're thinking on this.

I think I can also add -IMHO as well , that, the way I think it works is, that he has one of those 12 volt batteries running a dc motor driving a high pressure pump that is obviously spinning the heck out of this Pelton Turbine which is , --depending on the pressure, -equals more rpm --equals more watts., (running 12 volts + high amps through a driven generator or a belted generator), then all of this copious amounts of volts and amps goes through a voltage controller, -which in turn is distributing the proper voltage to the other battery (or batteries together) and then these of course supply the two inverters - which in turn, are supplying --the required wattage.---THE ONE INVERTER for the necessary loads (1500 to 3000 watts)and THE OTHER INVERTER for an extra battery charger--to ensure that the batteries are kept charged up as the loads obviously will be varying quite a bit. (notice the thinner wires on the second battery)

Anyway, --just my 2 cents guys--I could be way out in left field on this but it almost makes sense to a certain extent.

I happen to be about a 2 hour drive from Oshawa --I live in Kitchener --and I might be able to get off work on friday and drive over there --will keep ya'll posted.

Paul

[RAMSET]

Looks familiar

Parav
your theory seems appropriate, James Hardy might agree ?
Those turbine pics look very familiar too....

GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

Thx
Chet

[tutanka]

Parav
your theory seems appropriate, James Hardy might agree ?
Those turbine pics look very familiar too....

GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

Thx
Chet

Now is pretty clear how this device work.

We are in presence of an LOOP energetic device!!

The components inside the device are working in serie:

Electric Pressure pump 12V (pulse flow)
Pelton generator 4Kw
Scroll compressor (return back water flow)
DC generator as second generator
Power Regulator ( I forget to mentioned)

The pulse flow is the key of that unit.. as Mr.Kanarev explain the pulse power is different from an fixed power.

[RAMSET]

It would have to be something very special !

very special indeed !

Have you ever played with this Pulse in water ?
It is known that a proper pulse can do some amazing things in water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

perhaps we 3D print that Claw and see what happens??


Sterling will be speaking with Mr.Potter weekly
and posting updates here

Main Page - PESWiki

Thx
Chet

[Aaron]

generator points

Hi Aaron, I just was referring to what everyone seems to be saying in this thread about the Peltier module, I think they just misheard it and what was meant was Pelton wheel. Our minds have a way of hearing what we want to hear.

Right, I was actually agreeing with you - hence my second sentence to EWizard.

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I think the claim that it needs a couple hours to cool down is another red flag though from the phone conversation posted.

How does it get any hotter after 12 hours of running than it if it was running 1, 2, or 3 hours? And why would it need a couple hours of cooling time when probably 30 minutes of off time would drop the temp to below what it was at after running 1 hour. A red hot piece of steel doesn't even need that much time to cool down enough to touch it.

Obviously, we don't know what we don't know about this machine, but the more details like this that are revealed, the less legit is seems. I don't have an opinion of whether it works or not yet, but so far it doesn't make much sense.

Maybe the couple hour cooling period is to charge the batteries back up?

[wrtner]

I think the claim that it needs a couple hours to cool down is another red flag

With winter approaching in the northern hemisphere, this is hardly a snag. A radiator or heat exchanger and then the owner will be toasty warm as well as enjoying the 5kw. There may be technical issues that they are glossing over. That's fair enough for a new product.

I wonder if it is similar to James Hardy on page 13:
http://www.free-energy-info.com/Chapter4.pdf

I reckon he might be better off with a US application or an EPO one.
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[Cherryman]

Tesla turbine

Just a shot in the dark.

He could be using a Tesla Turbine instead of a Pelton wheel.

[tutanka]

Just a shot in the dark.

He could be using a Tesla Turbine instead of a Pelton wheel.

The water is filled inside the tank and pelton wheel is immersed inside.. pelton wheel is visible for a seconds during the video when the water tank is open.
No visible compartments inside , the wheel is in contact with the water..

[sprocket]

Here is someone on Ebay selling the generator & pelton wheel that Parav's post referenced - only $159 for up to 3KW, which seems particularly cheap! The $71 shipping to Europe is a bummer though, considering you've got free-shipping States-side. And then there's Customs charges on top of that... Boo-hoo, not fair!

Edit: Nice catch Tutanka, that indeed looks like a bit of a pelton wheel.