GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[Gen-E-Sys II]

I do not think it's a "Peltier" device. Far too inefficient for these power levels.

It is instead a "Pelton" wheel device connected to the water chamber.

See this photo of his device:



And see this photo of a Pelten Wheel driven micro hydro turbine, it is exactly the same:





Here's a video: Generator for Pelton Wheel - Micro Hydro Turbine Build - YouTube

They're the same thing as far as I can tell.

These micro generators can do the following: "It is rated at 2000 watts at 1400 rpm, and up to 4000 watts at 2800 rpm."

As far as I can tell, there is no HHO involved in this device either unless he is somehow using it to power the wheel. But not sure how he would do that.

I don't know how it works but the water is for some sort of mechanical movement of the Pelten wheel. That much is certain.

You are correct and very observant - sadly many others are bashing what they do not grasp.

The water evaporates due to the heat from the electrically powered pump that supplies the MATTER IN MOTION which provides the ENERGY GAIN allowing it to self sustain. (In this case nearly) That pump may be a submersible water cooled, probably around 10,000 gph (I can guess the make and model) in that little tiny water tank he has also rigged up with a float valve.

Liquid matter in motion known as water. Plain old water having mass traveling at a designed velocity in volumes sufficient to DEVELOP kinetic energy in accord with 1/2 mV^2 and transferring that energy to the conventional water wheel (pelton most likely) that is connected to the 3 phase PMAC alternator (I know the brand; because I use the same) mounted on the outside of the water tank. (Someone else wrote it was a flywheel/fan ..... made me laugh and spray my computer with coffee)

Don't believe me! - Go here and look for the picture of the alternator http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-... and while you are there search the words "turbine", and "waterwheel", and "hydraulic".

It is not rocket science. - He told everyone what it IS - A turbine and a pump. - He even shows the inside - Seems funny to me many people cannot see what is right before their eyes or hear anyone other than themselves. Which would require looking and listening first, admitting they don't know, then asking polite questions.......... or just laying down cold hard cash to find out for themselves.

You did good with finding it on Ebay and posting it here.

But what else might I know that could help others ?

[Dog-One]

The water evaporates due to the heat from the electrically powered pump that supplies the MATTER IN MOTION which provides the ENERGY GAIN allowing it to self sustain.

But what else might I know that could help others ?

Any chance you could point me to some material that explains this process better as utilized in the GDS unit?

I have been wondering if the main concept involved in this device has been something right under my nose all along that I have dismissed as irrelevant.

[ZeroMassInertia]

Thank You for your input Gen-E-Sys II .
What would be your best guess on the pump that drives the alternator, Submersible, Centrifugal or other and what voltage best to drive the pump?
Enjoyed your Backguages site.

[Gen-E-Sys II]

Any chance you could point me to some material that explains this process better as utilized in the GDS unit?

I have been wondering if the main concept involved in this device has been something right under my nose all along that I have dismissed as irrelevant.

The main concept involved is under everyone's nose, I cannot speak for the GDS unit beyond that it is similar (quite similar) to some of my work. The majority of my work has been with solid matter in motion because it is possible to develop far more "energy" using solid vs. liquid in a more compact space.

Another Michael has made what I see as very relevant comments concerning this unit. My website does not have any of my "TURBINE" systems shown but hints at them. The underlying principle IS any and all matter in motion develops Kinetic energy, be it liquid, gaseous or solid.

Each has its own requirements but all basically operate the same; 1/2 mV^2.

[Aaron]

peltier claim

This looks like the source of the peltier claim - part of an email from George Wiseman quoting Jerry Decker.

I think it is obvious that it has nothing to do with a peltier, but just wanted to put this here for the record:

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Here's what Jerry Decker has to say:
Wow, 4 gallons will run it for 3 days and it's so quiet!!! Hope they are for real, the GDS 3000 he said. 3000 watts per hour.

When he opens it up, you can see the big ass Peltier with multi-junctions for extra power...so they convert water to hydrogen, burn the hydrogen across the Peltier and store the power in the dual batteries.

Now the batteries would run for maybe 4 hours (my one battery running my tv AND dvd and 25 watt fluorescent OR computer and 25 watt fluorescent runs about 2 hours) before draining and it will take power to convert the water to hydrogen to make more electricity to recharge the batteries.

So I'm thinking this thing will wind down over a time...maybe 6-10 hours or so??? and have to run awhile to recharge the batteries.

However if you have the 5kw version and you only pull out 3kw, it might run continuous as long as there is water.

You know years ago, Jade Mountain, who supplies survival gear...announced they would soon have a peltier device that would produce 5kw from a campfire...

They put out some test units and had to recall all of them because the Peltier junctions kept melting so they never were able to sell them...but I think kit was like $500 for the unit which is pretty damn cheap.

[tutanka]

The main concept involved is under everyone's nose, I cannot speak for the GDS unit beyond that it is similar (quite similar) to some of my work. The majority of my work has been with solid matter in motion because it is possible to develop far more "energy" using solid vs. liquid in a more compact space.

Another Michael has made what I see as very relevant comments concerning this unit. My website does not have any of my "TURBINE" systems shown but hints at them. The underlying principle IS any and all matter in motion develops Kinetic energy, be it liquid, gaseous or solid.

Each has its own requirements but all basically operate the same; 1/2 mV^2.

in this way my theory about scroll compressor is right? The vortex flow produced inside the tank produce enough power than the initial energy applied (electric motor dc)?

[tutanka]

This looks like the source of the peltier claim - part of an email from George Wiseman quoting Jerry Decker.

I think it is obvious that it has nothing to do with a peltier, but just wanted to put this here for the record:

----------------------------------------------------

Here's what Jerry Decker has to say:
Wow, 4 gallons will run it for 3 days and it's so quiet!!! Hope they are for real, the GDS 3000 he said. 3000 watts per hour.

When he opens it up, you can see the big ass Peltier with multi-junctions for extra power...so they convert water to hydrogen, burn the hydrogen across the Peltier and store the power in the dual batteries.

Now the batteries would run for maybe 4 hours (my one battery running my tv AND dvd and 25 watt fluorescent OR computer and 25 watt fluorescent runs about 2 hours) before draining and it will take power to convert the water to hydrogen to make more electricity to recharge the batteries.

So I'm thinking this thing will wind down over a time...maybe 6-10 hours or so??? and have to run awhile to recharge the batteries.

However if you have the 5kw version and you only pull out 3kw, it might run continuous as long as there is water.

You know years ago, Jade Mountain, who supplies survival gear...announced they would soon have a peltier device that would produce 5kw from a campfire...

They put out some test units and had to recall all of them because the Peltier junctions kept melting so they never were able to sell them...but I think kit was like $500 for the unit which is pretty damn cheap.

Sorry, where have you seen the Peltier modules? inside the tank the hydrogen can't be created, if you observe well the video the screws are loose, therefore, you would have a loss of hydrogen and it would be very dangerous.

[Aaron]

peltier claim

Sorry, where have you seen the Peltier modules? inside the tank the hydrogen can't be created, if you observe well the video the screws are loose, therefore, you would have a loss of hydrogen and it would be very dangerous.

I don't see a Peltier. We discussed it here before and Peltier was mentioned - I just posted where I think the source of that Peltier claim came from, which is from Jerry Decker of Keelynet. So it doesn't look like anyone misheard anything.

Don't worry about it, it's just a reference.

[BroMikey]

Maybe it's a Bird or a plane.

I don't see a Peltier. We discussed it here before and Peltier was mentioned - I just posted where I think the source of that Peltier claim came from, which is from Jerry Decker of Keelynet. So it doesn't look like anyone misheard anything.

Don't worry about it, it's just a reference.

Maybe he has a water fuel cell in there or who knows, Maybe it is a rotary plasma engine. It's a guessing game.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHxYqnev59g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkX69BA35_A





Mikey My 2 cents:thumbsup:

[tutanka]

Sigh...
well i just hung up with Mr.Potter ,seems he is quite overwhelmed with the response and is scrambling to get his International patents
sorted before shipment ,which is Dec 15 [only Canadian patents in place]

He sold 10 on Paypal link before he caught wind of it and now holding off on orders until product is in house,
also He will Not except payment until product is ready for delivery

He said some Turkey posted the Product on three separate energy forums over the weekend and his life went from famine to feast...

I did not mention my association with said Fowl ...

Yet


He is quite confident and sincere ,a truly nice fellow looking to play a bit of catch up ATM.

more info to come ,I have to make a Dr.s visit/app't

Chet

Wait to buy....Unfortunately GDS Technologies can't obtain the international patent because in fact they have copied from another inventor. However as I have written we are in presence of an LOOP ENERGY DEVICE, no hydrogen, no peltier modules... The patent attached Patent WO2006085782A1 - Re-circulating water in close-looped hydropower system - Google Patents explain how really the system works. Happy reading..

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Wait to buy....Unfortunately GDS Technologies can't obtain the international patent because in fact they have copied from another inventor. However as I have written we are in presence of an LOOP ENERGY DEVICE, no hydrogen, no peltier modules... The patent attached Patent WO2006085782A1 - Re-circulating water in close-looped hydropower system - Google Patents explain how really the system works. Happy reading..

Nice find Alex, but not quite the same I think. I don't think the GDS is using water hammer but a negative head situation (the 4th motor) which is creating an artificial head on the input to the pressure pump, so that pump sees a negative head as such. I see he is using the principle of a ram pump when looking at his drawings.

regards

Mike

[Dog-One]

Wait to buy....Unfortunately GDS Technologies can't obtain the international patent because in fact they have copied from another inventor. However as I have written we are in presence of an LOOP ENERGY DEVICE, no hydrogen, no peltier modules... The patent attached Patent WO2006085782A1 - Re-circulating water in close-looped hydropower system - Google Patents explain how really the system works. Happy reading..

Nice research tutanka. The patents definitely explain how water is compressible. I had no idea; probably why I overlooked it.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Nice research tutanka. The patents definitely explain how water is compressible. I had no idea; probably why I overlooked it.

Sorry but liquids are not compressible, only gases can be compressed. I think in the patent something has got lost in translation

regards

Mike

[Dog-One]

Sorry but liquids are not compressible, only gases can be compressed. I think in the patent something has got lost in translation

regards

Mike

The pressure of 16,795 kpa will compress the water by 0.77 %. To arrive at the compressed volume, we multiply the original volume by 0.77 % which is 1 ,450 meters x 0.785 x 0.77 % = 8.76 m 3 . The length of the water column is shrunk by 8.76 m 3 / 0.785 m 2 = 11.16 METERS. The more compressed the water column, the higher is its stored POTENTIAL ENERGY.

Without this, I doubt it would ever work. Instead it would kill the whole concept of water in motion. No compressibility, no shockwave, no added potential energy.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Without this, I doubt it would ever work. Instead it would kill the whole concept of water in motion. No compressibility, no shockwave, no added potential energy.

Liquids can't be compressed, full stop, look it up. Any change by putting pressure on the water will be gases compressing into the water.

regards

Mike