GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[Michael John Nunnerley]

I am right and wrong, but basicly right because the pressure needed is so high that it is deemed non compressible

Can you compress a liquid (water)?

regards

Mike

[tutanka]

Nice find Alex, but not quite the same I think. I don't think the GDS is using water hammer but a negative head situation (the 4th motor) which is creating an artificial head on the input to the pressure pump, so that pump sees a negative head as such. I see he is using the principle of a ram pump when looking at his drawings.

regards

Mike

Mike .. attached my new diagram.. no high pressure but wave pressure like a gun that shoots bullets of water!!

[Gen-E-Sys II]

Thank You for your input Gen-E-Sys II .
What would be your best guess on the pump that drives the alternator, Submersible, Centrifugal or other and what voltage best to drive the pump?
Enjoyed your Backguages site.

Happy you enjoyed the site and You are most welcome.

As for guessing at a pump GDS is using; I will/can not.

Consider a 10,000 gph 120vac submersible turbine for starters. (They do exist)

[ZeroMassInertia]

Throttling Voltage Regulation and Heat

Happy you enjoyed the site and You are most welcome.

As for guessing at a pump GDS is using; I will/can not.

Consider a 10,000 gph 120vac submersible turbine for starters. (They do exist)

For this device to self loop the match between the pump turbine wheel and the alternator is critical.
To drive a pump at 120 volts from batteries would require the losses of the DC to AC inverter.
The PMA is voltage regulated by RPM and load. This may be reason for the cool down period necessary in the GDS 3000, Overvoltage to motors and batteries.
It may be possible to use MULTIPLE 12- 24 volt dc pumps and NOZZLES to get the required 10.000 GPH. A motor speed control tied to a voltage control regulator is an option.
12 – 24 volt dc pumps at the correct GPH may be hard to come by?

[phoneboy]

steam?

This smells like a scam. Just an idea though, maybe he's using the scroll compressor to create steam, by introducing a small amount of water into the intake compressing it to flash boil and injecting it into the cold water - pressure thru cavitation?

[sprocket]

One example of a 10,000+ gph (50,000 liters) pump. The Red Devil II 1500W can pump 11,000gph - but 1500W input!!! They have a nice selection of smaller pumps as well, but oh so pricey - the 11,000gph pump will set you back £1700 Sterling.

[tutanka]

This smells like a scam. Just an idea though, maybe he's using the scroll compressor to create steam, by introducing a small amount of water into the intake compressing it to flash boil and injecting it into the cold water - pressure thru cavitation?

These are only suppositions, maybe this device work or maybe is another scam.. However if we use an thermal source for steam creation with pulse jets this pelton generator of 3Kw surely can work!!

[Michael John Nunnerley]

Can anyone show me a water scroll compressor

regards

Mike

[phoneboy]

not pumping

Didn't mean to use pump to pump water, droplets sucked in with air, compress air, droplets boiled by raised temp of air.

[mscoffman]

I suspect that the capacitor start AC motor in the bottom quadrant of the
tank forms the pump that does the deed. There is a power mismatch
between that pump and the pelton wheel. This creates cavitation at the
pelton wheel which substitutes for the water hammer pressure from the
patent that was previously shown. The mismatch is effectively an
impedance mismatch which is what causes the water to heat up along
with some energy gain as the result of the cavitation.

Most likely the high pressure "washer" pump (which looks remarkably
like a PMA Alternator, same housing) is probably simply an overpressure
pump that causes energy from a starting battery to be added to the
on stream energy for the pelton wheel. This is a non optimal way of doing
things but it would work to add some additional energy.

The only thing I would be uncomfortable with is the great change in the
the environment of the pelton wheel as the water level in the tank
drops, the flow through energy would not change much but the cavitation
environment surely would.

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Want to cool down your working fluid? Why not inject some cooling water
as needed from the hose - Oh, too bad this guy knows nothing about
microprocessor control. I estimate his duty cycle problems come from
his battery being way overdriven, why not swap batteries to let Gel
electrolyte clear and cool down? - Oh,....

[RAMSET]

small update

I spoke with Mr.Potter a few minutes ago ,he will allow us to do a black Box demo in Mid December.
I explained a brief protocol which would require Run times an order of magnitude greater then
the batteries involved.
"NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER " was the reply.


Also he is the same company in Mexico.


Quite honestly I am interested in Nothing more than qualifying This Claim.
respectfully

Chetkremens@gmail.com

[ewizard]

Thanks Chet for keeping open the possibility on this and checking it out. While I didn't initially think it had any credibility I am willing to keep the door open for all possibilities as we certainly don't know everything. I'm still leaning on the side this won't pan out well but will keep watching here. One question - what is a black box demo? I'm just guessing .... does that mean they will allow a test but not let you see what is inside the generator? It looked to me like there might be plenty of room in there for more batteries and if they loaded up with some Lithium Ion type batteries there could be some rather long run times to be had. Just something to keep in mind.

[RAMSET]

EWizard
Black box = no description necessary [working principle]
Just a rigorous evaluation of the claim ,we have shipping weights of production units and other info to work with as well as possibly supplying calibrated spec battery's for test day as well as calibrating all test equipment and addendums [dummy loads] etc etc.

the idea being to "VET" the claim as realistically as possible .
Some form of visual inspection will be required but surely not more intrusive then the video which has been released.

I hope for the best ,It would be a nice way to start the new year.....

thx
Chet

[RAMSET]

The Koala likes they way you guys roll

TinselKoala quote from OU.COM
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I think the thread on Energetic Forum is verrrrry interesting. For a change, by far most of the comments are rather skeptical. It seems that even "Asea" is an unbeliever this time.

They even had someone who lives in Kitchener, ON, offer to drive over and pay a visit. It is only a relatively short drive, many people in the Toronto area commute more than that to work every day.

That thread has been dead for over a week though.

The silence is deafening.

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Of course being a scientist who's specialty is scientific measurement,
I would think TinselKoala would be more interested in test results as apposed to Marketing analysis and postulations .

as I have stated from the get go, with out independent 3rd party validation there is really no claim and nothing to buy.

I spoke with Mr.Potter again and the test is still in the works .
I will be speaking with him again next week.
will keep you posted.
thx
Chet

[tutanka]

TinselKoala quote from OU.COM
Quote
I think the thread on Energetic Forum is verrrrry interesting. For a change, by far most of the comments are rather skeptical. It seems that even "Asea" is an unbeliever this time.

They even had someone who lives in Kitchener, ON, offer to drive over and pay a visit. It is only a relatively short drive, many people in the Toronto area commute more than that to work every day.

That thread has been dead for over a week though.

The silence is deafening.

-----------------------------------------------------
Of course being a scientist who's specialty is scientific measurement,
I would think TinselKoala would be more interested in test results as apposed to Marketing analysis and postulations .

as I have stated from the get go, with out independent 3rd party validation there is really no claim and nothing to buy.

I spoke with Mr.Potter again and the test is still in the works .
I will be speaking with him again next week.
will keep you posted.
thx
Chet

There are news on that device or is another scam??