GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[ewizard]

There is definitely no reference to Peltier or Hydrogen on their website or in any of the data sheets, etc...

EWizard - the person who told you (if that is how you found out) Peltier probably misheard it.

Their literature says the start method is battery.

So in concept, the battery through inverter probably heats the water to steam like Alex said and that steam is channeled to that Pelton wheel, that spins and produces electricity to power the loads and top the battery off?

At this point, its probably more important to understand the sequence of steps in their process instead of trying to validate if it is "overunity" or not.

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If it works, this is what I think it is so far:

Tesla's Fountain patent Patent US1113716 - Fountain. - Google Patents claims he can pump 100 gallons of water per minute for 1/25 horsepower. 764 / 25 = 30.56 watts.

30.56 watts to pump 100 gallons of water per minute is ASTOUNDING.

"According to the Pico hydroelectric turbine it is possible to create about 750Watts from 100 GPM of water."

Here is a thread that discusses this: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...mentation.html

I've seen a handful of these "overunity" claims for pelton wheel setups.

Maybe using that Tesla Fountain setup to get the water to come out circular and a duct to channel it right to the Pelton Wheel.

Yes I realized what I read (somewhere - don't recall) was from someone who mistook the Pelton wheel for Peltier. Based on some discussion elsewhere it still sounds like it would not be possible to generate the power claimed with the Pelton wheel and a PMA. But you might be onto something regarding the Tesla Fountain. If that is it's basis it could be valid (but still doubting this is real based on some other things I've read).

[Cherryman]

Tnx Tutanka!

@ Sprocket.

From your link we could get an indication what kind of pump is needed.
Quote from link:

" Easily provides 1000 watts of power with one nozzle, 2000 watts with two nozzles. With one 3/4 inch nozzle and 28 PSI (65 feet), 80 gallons per minute, it provides 500 watts output. You can add up to 4 nozzles. "

@Ewizard.

I don't think the Tesla Fountain gives enough pressure. It's more a mass mover... with low pressure and low head.

[tutanka]

Tnx Tutanka!

@ Sprocket.

From your link we could get an indication what kind of pump is needed.
Quote from link:

" Easily provides 1000 watts of power with one nozzle, 2000 watts with two nozzles. With one 3/4 inch nozzle and 28 PSI (65 feet), 80 gallons per minute, it provides 500 watts output. You can add up to 4 nozzles. "

@Ewizard.

I don't think the Tesla Fountain gives enough pressure. It's more a mass mover... with low pressure and low head.

Actually the main problem is understand what type of method is used inside the tank. If pelton wheel is immersed inside the tank the water nozzles don't have more sense. For run you need an flow of water inside the tank similar to an wave of the sea. Can be the scroll compressor powered from electric engine the creator of that movement of water inside the tank??

[sprocket]

Just trying to work out what would be the cheapest price you could put one of these together for.

Cheapest 3000W (6000W surge) Pure Sine inverter I've been able to find is here for only $275 - which seems REALLY cheap considering that also includes shipping worldwide! Most other brands are at least $150 more than that.

@Cherryman - Aaron mentioned Tesla's fountain patent might improve things a bit - something like 28W @ 100gpm if memory serves! Since I didn't know Tesla played with fountains, this is the next thing I need to bone up on!

[charly2]

In the video while the machine is running I find weird something at 4:50 to 5:02, the fan/rotor of the Pelton wheel is not turning, should it turn?

[ZeroMassInertia]

In the video while the machine is running I find weird something at 4:50 to 5:02, the fan/rotor of the Pelton wheel is not turning, should it turn?

I am not an expert on this Permanent Magnatic Alternator but with some research in the layout of this PMA and in the object of being accurate I believe Charly 2 is correct .The outer fan is connected to the outer bell and should turn when the turbine is moving.
In the video the bolts that secure the top of the tank are missing if the pump and turbine were working water would be thrown over all the electronics.
Why a demonstration of only inverter power is a red flag.

[charly2]

Yes I thought the same at first, but now to me looks like the coils are the stationary part, and the shaft goes from one side to the other mounted on bearings, in one side is the Pelton wheel and in the other the permanent magnets encased, attached to the fan and the assemble fixed to the shaft.
So if the Pelton wheel rotates, the magnets and fan should rotate as well.
That is my appreciation but I could be wrong.

[Turion]

Why do we assume it is an open tank? There could be compartments, channels, tubes. There could be one section that holds water and another compartment that holds a device that the water is forced past to do the generating. I'm not convinced this is a working device, but I do believe we need much more information before coming to a final decision. Until that happens, I am VERY skeptical.

Dave

[tutanka]

Why do we assume it is an open tank? There could be compartments, channels, tubes. There could be one section that holds water and another compartment that holds a device that the water is forced past to do the generating. I'm not convinced this is a working device, but I do believe we need much more information before coming to a final decision. Until that happens, I am VERY skeptical.

Dave

Hello,
No the pelton wheel is immersed inside , from video no separation.. If isn't an scam device I think the principle applied is different.
For make 3Kw of power you need an great energy source and the only energy source in this device are two batteries of 100Ah 12v for an total of 2400W..
I suppose that the water tank is just an little boiler, I don't think that they use pelton wheel with high pressure but similar to an solar heater.. when man open the tank some condensation is present on the top, the same condition appear only in presence of steam.

[Aaron]

"water generator"

Hello,
No the pelton wheel is immersed inside , from video no separation.. If isn't an scam device I think the principle applied is different.
For make 3Kw of power you need an great energy source and the only energy source in this device are two batteries of 100Ah 12v for an total of 2400W..
I suppose that the water tank is just an little boiler, I don't think that they use pelton wheel with high pressure but similar to an solar heater.. when man open the tank some condensation is present on the top, the same condition appear only in presence of steam.

For condensation, my Berkey gravity feed water filter in my kitchen gets condensation on the inside of the lid sitting at room temperature.

Also, 2400 watts load on 100ah 12v battery is a C0.5 load, which means it will kill the batteries in less than an hour and possibly damage them beyond repair.

But I do find it to be another red flag if that wheel is submerged in water because I don't think it can spin fast enough being submerged to produce anything substantial.

[tutanka]

For condensation, my Berkey gravity feed water filter in my kitchen gets condensation on the inside of the lid sitting at room temperature.

Also, 2400 watts load on 100ah 12v battery is a C0.5 load, which means it will kill the batteries in less than an hour and possibly damage them beyond repair.

But I do find it to be another red flag if that wheel is submerged in water because I don't think it can spin fast enough being submerged to produce anything substantial.

Please don't forget the internal scenario. During video is the little motor dc that RUN the other device (scroll compressor??). As been written for me this system is in fact an LOOP device , please see the diagram attached.

[Michael John Nunnerley]

If for real then a possible scenario

In the total unit there are 4 motors/generators, two of which are connected by a belt drive, one is a PMA driven by a pelton turbine wheel, and the other is an AC motor of which we do not know what it does!!!!! but seems to be connected to something inside the water tank at the bottom corner.

First the two connected by a pully belt. The dark coloured one seems to be a DC motor and the silver one is a single phase motor driving a high pressure pump on the end (box on end), but the wiring box and run cap have been removed so as it can be wired 3 phase (wires coming out of motor).
Because it is now 3phase and there is no three phase until the pelton PMA is running, it is started up by the 12v DC motor via the pully which is connected to where the fan used to be

Now there is 3phase, and the now 3phase pressure pump is running on it's own, albeit a closed loop with the pelton PMA, which science says it can not be

Now that DC motor is running from the second battery, the battery with the low amp wire, here we have to look at the different possible scenarios:-

1. the motor continues running as a motor and supplimenting the 3phase motor (possibly why PMA and pump can be looped)
2. it has now become a generator and recharging the start battery
3. it is doing both the above depending on load controller (most probable)
4. it was only a start motor and after free running.

The Pelton driven PMA stands for itself apart from water configuration along with motor (AC) 4.

Now the fourth motor, an AC motor as you can see the cap shroud on the casing, and about all that is known about this motor. So what is this motor doing? work that one out, and if this is not a scam you have cracked it

regards

Mike

[Michael John Nunnerley]

The Pelton turbine works on pressure and not volume of water and can be very efficient 95% if designed correctly.

So we have a loss of 5%min here and has to be made up so as to make the loop back

Alex, your design will not work, it would be very inefficient. Here is the Pelton

http://www.civilengineeringterms.com...-pelton-wheel/

Now the water level gauge is a bit of a red herring I think. Look at the level of the top up tap on the side.

Now what is that AC motor?

1. it is connected to an internal water pump which creates a negative head of water to the pressure pump (feeds the pressure pump)
2. a water circulator from one area to another inside the tank
3. creates another jet of water for the Pelton wheel

I like the first one, makes a lot of logic as to finding a way to recouperate the loss in the Pelton, but then we have the motor power consumption to take into consideration but I think this is what is happening

Now everyone thinks this is an OU pitch I am sure it is not OU, what it is is a way to extend the usage time of a battery to drive the inverter. It has been stated that after 12hrs it needs a 2hr rest more or less ( i'm sure it would depend on the amount of load). Think of this more like a joul thief, I now hope you have got the idea, and really if that is what it is, I think it is great

regards

Mike

[Cherryman]

It could be the AC motor is wired as a rotoverter

[tutanka]

The Pelton turbine works on pressure and not volume of water and can be very efficient 95% if designed correctly.

So we have a loss of 5%min here and has to be made up so as to make the loop back

Alex, your design will not work, it would be very inefficient. Here is the Pelton

Pelton wheel | Parts of Pelton wheel - Civil Engineering Terms

Now the water level gauge is a bit of a red herring I think. Look at the level of the top up tap on the side.

Now what is that AC motor?

1. it is connected to an internal water pump which creates a negative head of water to the pressure pump (feeds the pressure pump)
2. a water circulator from one area to another inside the tank
3. creates another jet of water for the Pelton wheel

I like the first one, makes a lot of logic as to finding a way to recouperate the loss in the Pelton, but then we have the motor power consumption to take into consideration but I think this is what is happening

Now everyone thinks this is an OU pitch I am sure it is not OU, what it is is a way to extend the usage time of a battery to drive the inverter. It has been stated that after 12hrs it needs a 2hr rest more or less ( i'm sure it would depend on the amount of load). Think of this more like a joul thief, I now hope you have got the idea, and really if that is what it is, I think it is great

regards

Mike

Probably you don't have seen better my diagram. We have just one water tank with inside an pelton wheel.. I have identify the compressor pump as an scroll compressor but can be other, one port make compression and the other port make vacuum in all case the fluid (water) work in LOOP. More devices you add more energy you spent. how many solutions there are? Auxiliary water jet compressor don't have more sense inside an water tank.. You need just one compressor, in this way you obtain the synchronization of compression and vacuum for obtain the rotation of pelton wheel inside the water!! Think to sea waves on the beach and applies this principle inside to an closed box..

Thanks to SilvertoGold for share this video SELFRUNNING FREE ENERGY MACHINE - YouTube