BiTT OverUnity Transformer Bi-Toroid Thane H. Bill A.

[Dog-One]

INKOMP Hybrid System

Mike,

Have you seen this one yet: http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page3.html

Looks to be a hybrid of Thane Heins. In this video he is claiming 350 watts
output with just tiny 24 volt, 150 mA input pulses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6SC6UFRAI

Looks encouraging; thought you might want to have a look.

Lenz free generator + a different pulse motor!

[BroMikey]

Still Reading This

Mike,

Have you seen this one yet: http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page3.html

Looks to be a hybrid of Thane Heins. In this video he is claiming 350 watts
output with just tiny 24 volt, 150 mA input pulses:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw6SC6UFRAI

Looks encouraging; thought you might want to have a look.

Lenz free generator + a different pulse motor!

What a post Dog You are the man to find the goodies.

Waleri is one cool dude.

Is this how the windings are placed




It is a BiTT/Round-Meg /SFT

This is what I think too. A magnet could seriously aid the process of extraction. To answer your question Dog "No" I had never found this man WALERI however for years now since 2004 I saw TPU builder using this other winding plane in experiments but the TPU builders always used the normal winding plane as well. So I am confused by his pictures.

In the toroid PICTURE he winds wire normal and the disk shows the winding in the opposing plain. So I missed something but it is a 3 coil system/W/Magnet of this there is no doubt.

Thanks for this post Dog

Mikey

[Dog-One]

Difficult to Decipher

Is this how the windings are placed

The 2D schematic-type picture is pretty easy to understand, but this 3D implementation is a lot harder to wrap your head around.

In the 2D picture you see a gap on the output core winding, but in the 3D picture you see a spacer. But then you think for a minute, where the heck is the actual core? I'm guessing it's not in the center; seems to be more on the top and bottom. Makes me wonder if this is really what the gizzo inside his wooden box looks like.

The good news is the magnet. In the 3D picture I think we can be pretty certain this is a simple ring magnet. Then we have the three windings, two steel or soft iron rings and I'm just going to guess the very center piece is probably aluminum or something non-ferrous. The top and bottom discs are probable the same material as the two rings. I don't know from looking at it if the spacer around the inner (output) winding needs to be there or not; if so, maybe plastic is good enough.

Magnetic coupling is certainly not through the center hub.

Anyway, I'm glad you like it. Pretty ingenious device. I bet we could put something together similar enough to see the effects. Heck, if we could pour 50 watts in and get 100 watts out, I'd be tickled.

Here's some nice ring magnets to pick from if you don't have any suitable laying around:
Applied Magnets : Neodymium Ring & Tube Rare Earth Magnets - discount wholesale prices.


P.S. Just thought of something... To make this work (be balanced), the center hub is hollow right? I'll bet you could pour some soft iron shot in there, just a little at a time to tune this bugger. In a neutral (idle) configuration, I think you would want the magnetic flux to be mostly equal between the center hub and the two iron rings. Then when you pulse this dude, a tiny bit of input power flip-flops the flux between iron rings and the output winding. The trick will be sizing everything right for the ring magnet, iron rings, top & bottom disks along with the output power you are trying to draw.

[BroMikey]

Thinking Deep

In the 3D picture I think we can be pretty certain this is a simple ring magnet. Then we have the three windings, two steel or soft iron rings and I'm just going to guess the very center piece is probably aluminum or something non-ferrous. The top and bottom discs are probable the same material as the two rings.

Magnetic coupling is certainly not through the center hub.


P.S. Just thought of something... To make this work (be balanced), the center hub is hollow right? I'll bet you could pour some soft iron shot in there, just a little at a time to tune this bugger. In a neutral (idle) configuration, I think you would want the magnetic flux to be mostly equal between the center hub and the two iron rings. Then when you pulse this dude, a tiny bit of input power flip-flops the flux between iron rings and the output winding. The trick will be sizing everything right for the ring magnet, iron rings, top & bottom disks along with the output power you are trying to draw.

I see you been working long hours throwing these ideas around. I have some catching up to do, but for now I am thrilled to even hear such perfect discourse. I know what you said sounds right.


This really gets me flying high learning new ideas from a guy who is much more advanced on these inventions. I looked at the magnets and the big one is more, something like $180. This one is under $40.

What you have expressed in terms of this device tells me it is going to produce a lot of energy if a resonant equilibrium can be reached and maintained.

Like you say if we can get it to put out more THAT energy can charge batteries or run lights at a fixed draw. This is vortex extracted energy, reminds me of SEARL rings.

Mikey

[Dog-One]

Translation

Here's the google translation from the INKOMP page:


The basis of the design of all generators is displayed switch magnetic flows INKOMP invented by me in the year 2005/2006. Precisely because it is possible switching of the magnetic flow generated by the magnetic field of the permanent magnet. The management of these magnetic flux is performed by changing the magnetic resistance in a small area of the magnetic circuit, which section is arranged as a separate unit with its own magnetic flux which saturates the magnetic core in this small area. Normally, this portion is toroid or near its shape, providing a closed magnetic circuit, separate from the total. As a result of saturation, the main magnetic flux is diverted to an area with a small magnetic resistance, which is the working part. It is shown on the first three drawings!
Efficacy is determined by the volume of the key part (toroid), as well as its relation to the volume of the working part. This determines the energy expenditure management process. In the most general case generator operation takes place according to the law of Faraday

E = - dF / dt

In the process of switching a special role is assigned and the rule of superposition of the intensity of the magnetic field

Hs = Ho +/- Hi cos (wt)

Where Ho is a permanent magnet and Hi cos (wt) - variable generated by the control pulse. Thus toroid cores key is permanently in a saturated state, as shown in the last graph.


So the two iron rings can't be too thick, because they have to be in a constant state of saturation. The disks are clearly tapered towards the outside edge too. So we will have to be careful not to over-engineer this device. If we don't saturate the rings with the magnet we pick, it no workie.

[BroMikey]

Ferrite Rings

Okay Dog listen to this.

I am going to assume that the switching frequency is not 50hz, rather somewhere around 10-20khz.

Now since we are talking about saturation at the center where the top and bottom plates are at their thickest measurement THAT material can not be steel. Laminate steel does not switch fast enough as you well know.

So now we need to find rings of ferrite as well as, being able to build a possible composite upper and lower plate that tapers.

The saturation takes place at the thickest center point where a coil is pulsed getting the input wave established.

The magnet ring is closer to the center coil being pulsed but farther away from the powerful magnet are much bigger coils with far less material on the top and bottom yet the rings that the coils are wound on may be of a different permeability.

The pictorial may only be just that, an idea that shows us that like the BiTT we need one coil close to running the red line while the 2 other coils offer a much lower reactance to the field. Path of least resistance.


So the question is what material is the top and bottom made of, so switching may be done in the right range? These are complex geometrical designs.

Happy Brain stormin, I'm witcha

Mikey

[Doogy2Shoes]

The good news is the magnet. In the 3D picture I think we can be pretty certain this is a simple ring magnet. Then we have the three windings, two steel or soft iron rings and I'm just going to guess the very center piece is probably aluminum or something non-ferrous. The top and bottom discs are probable the same material as the two rings. I don't know from looking at it if the spacer around the inner (output) winding needs to be there or not; if so, maybe plastic is good enough.

Magnetic coupling is certainly not through the center hub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IP-buFHKKU
In summary: "This is a magnetic energy converter with output power of 5000 watts Suitable is that wind, solar, dizelni elektrogeneratori, water power plants Koefitsienta its transformation is at least 1: 2. . if it is 1:. 2.06 Suitable's and heating systems, electrical appliances and other water heaters dimensions of this converter is 40 x 30 x 30 cm unrestricted power output. ". Valeri Ivanov - country Bulgaria


DEMONSTRATION CONVERTER 5kW：　http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IP-buFHKKU
　

Free energy: INKOMP-generator "CME-250" testing：　http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npFVaeSbk1Q


Measurement of the input power with VOLTECH PM1000+ power analyzer.：　http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npFVaeSbk1Q

Device is configured permanent magnet, the toroidal core and laminated iron yoke. Structure is shown in the figure below.

Fig.2 Valeri Ivanov of the device structure


Because you can not understand Bulgarian, but become guess, and in the above figure Fig.2 (a) put a pulse on the left side input coil, occurs the magnetic flux of the flow shown in Fig.2 (a). When the pulse fell sharply zero level, it is believed to have shown to be to become a magnetic flux flow shown in Fig.2 (b). On the left side of the output coil, power is output. Would to capture Ether energy when the magnetic flux air gap passes. Therefore over-unity can be expected.



In Yahoo group forum related to the MEG device of T. Beadon, there was a post that would be helpful. They are as follows.

Hi, everyone!
I, recently, I learned about the invention of Bulgaria of experimenter who made the MEG-like device of COP> 1. His web site is www.inkomp-delta.com. Because it is written in Bulgarian, it was me upload only one page in English If you ask him. It, here is http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page9.html (built around: Maybe is closed now both sites).

He gave us generously answer to my question. I talked for several hours. I got the two conclusions from the story. I think that information would like to share with you.

Ivanov, the magnetic flux of the magnetic flux and the output coil from the control coil has insisted are separated. TB patent (on mutual flux for both coil) is, Ivanov says that it inoperable. He is to solve this problem, I have inserted a toroidal core in the interior of the main core. Control coils I was wound around the toroidal core, but I the flux did not Ika around the output coil.


In order to take the resonance, the output coil and has claimed that it put the capacitor's absolutely necessary. In addition, the patent of TB, the phase difference between the voltage and current of the output coil of that zero is suspicious, and is the.


Other in, interesting point,

Nanocrystal material to obtain the effect is not intended absolutely necessary. Such materials although it is possible to increase the efficiency, unique phenomenon in the core nothing happens. For example, one of his prototype, with its measurement, but Aru announced to the web site (http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page6.html), using an ordinary transformer core, 50Hz (! operates in !!), COP was rose to 5.4.


He also, some of the structure I was patent application. Is Bulgarian.


More, I would like to be helpful to someone. At least to me, I brought a big change. Best regards. ashtweth_nihilistic.





Important Notice (from Ivanov Home Page)

Because I was with great interest, the first half of May 2014 is, will be operating demonstration of the generator. The exact date, I will inform you three months ago. Demo, mainly, to perform for the manufacturing and sales companies that wish to license. For more information, please mail to event @ inkomp-delta.com. Venue: Bulgaria, area Sofia, city Elin Pelin.



Was listed on Ivanov of Home Page, to keep Paste the image below, but the meaning of Figs.5-7 is unknown.

Fig.3 Valeri Ivanov 350W type devices


Valeri Ivanov to explain the Fig.4 1kW type device



Than Home Page of Fig.5 Valeri Ivanov

Than Home Page of Fig.6 Valeri Ivanov


Than Home Page of Fig.7 Valeri Ivanov


Impressions

Since this is also not a scientific paper, not a high stringency description it would be dissatisfaction have a lot of information is missing, but I want to read as your development tips.


Is a device that requires a magnetic bias and air gap. Since the magnetic field of the permanent magnet increases the Ethernet Energy density, and I think it can retrieve a large energy. Claim that magnetic flux and magnetic flux of the output coil from the control coil in the structure shown in Fig.2 can be separated is interesting. I take the future of research.


This device, is the most interesting point that it seems possible especially low frequency. Close to the transmission frequency of the 50Hz if commercial power. Why With this structure, it should be studied whether the frequency can be lowered.


The device structure is said to be easy, to very many parameters to be pursued, so important may not disclosed, when we started, it is believed that also become long-term study.

[Doogy2Shoes]

found a good Russian page on this,
here is the link translated:

Google Translate

[Doogy2Shoes]

DISCLOSURE OF PI № 109 554 / 22.05.06


purpose:
It is designed to convert the magnetic flux of the permanent magnet in a certain pulse duration of the pulse so that it can act as a primary coil in the pulse transformer (IT). The aim of the transformation is the extraction of the energy contained in the permanent magnet and subsequent conversion into electricity.

management:
Management is done by asymmetrically control voltage and the duration, amplitude and frequency of repetition is defined as operating IT. Moreover, the induction of the ruling coils (total!), Must be no greater than that of the permanent magnet to work in acceptable area of degaussing. It is envisioned that the ruling coils are connected in parallel.

Magnetic:
In order to reduce the influence of the eddy currents due to the switching, it is necessary to flux are manufactured from material with pronounced dielectric properties and large magnetic permeability. This allows use in RF mode.

windings:
Managing windings are connected in parallel. Estimates of the required coils are made under the rules for the calculation of IT, given the added magnetic flux from the permanent magnet.



= 2 =
Permanent magnets:
The shape of the permanent magnets is annular and longitudinal polarity.
In the case of illustration used two concentrically arranged permanent magnets. Their parameters must be such that the zone of their demagnetization allow resistance to demagnetization effects that occurred during the operation.

Interaction of magnetic fields:
Typical for the operation of the device is the interaction of two magnetic flux - the ruling coils (electromagnetic field) and the permanent magnet. The submission of the control positive momentum flux of the permanent magnet is bypassed in the cores of the ruling coils. I.e. it is "closed". Following the submission of a positive control, "unclog" impulse, their cores are saturated due to the flow of the permanent magnet is "released" and with this the government coils shifts to the windings of the work (secondary) winding of IT. Induces e.d.s. is caused by the sum of the two magnetic flow - solenoid and that of permanent magnets!
Follows the submission of negative (fixing) impulse by which eliminates the impact of so-called. "Effect of exclusion", ensuring maximum growth using magnetic induction in the core. Degaussing (fixing) impulse must not lead to a complete demagnetization of the permanent magnet, but only to degaussing, as far as possible, of the core.

Control unit:
Its purpose is to ensure the normal operation of the device in generator (electricity supply) mode, depending on the submitted specific requirements - input and output (voltage, current, frequency, form of izh.naprezhenie etc.). The shape, duty cycle, frequency of repetition, are read according to the claimed requirements of the user, according to the requirements for the calculation of the IT.

poles:
They are dimensioned so as to be able to ensure the passage of the combined magnetic flux.

collector:
It performs the aggregation and configuration of the overall magnetic flux through the use of optimum geometry. Calculated as HF IT, given the specific internal geometry of the volume. It is assumed that the spherical shape will minimize losses from scattering. But not required.

Connecting to the secondary (working) coil:
Comply with the rules for calculating VCHIT.

[Doogy2Shoes]

here he explains some of it , too bad the images are missing:

https://web.archive.org/web/20070813...com/page6.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20070704...com/page9.html

[Doogy2Shoes]

not sure is this a version here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkT1wp3MH5s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YejrEbydDdA

[Doogy2Shoes]

Hi all!

I recently discovered one Bulgarian experimenter that built MEG like
device with COP > 1. His Website is here: www.inkomp-delta.com. The
site is in Bulgarian, so I asked him and he uploaded one page in
English (http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page9.html).

Valeri generously agreed to answer my questions and we talked for a
few hours. There are 2 conclusions that I got from this conversation,
and I want to share them with you guys:

1. Valeri claims that magnetic flux from control coil and output coil
should be separated. He claims that the structure presented in TB
patent (with mutual flux for both coils) cannot work. He worked
around this problem by inserting additional toroidal core inside the
main core. The control coil is winded on the additional core but its
flux does not go to the output coil.

2. He also claims that capacitor is absolutely necessary to be
connected to the output coil to obtain resonance. It also makes TB's
patent claims about zero phase difference between output coil voltage
and current somewhat suspicious.

There were also other interesting points like:

3. He said that nanocrystalline material is not absolutely necessary
for the effect to be observed. Such materials can improve efficiency,
but nothing unique happens inside the core. For example, one of his
prototypes with measurements published on the Website
(http://www.inkomp-delta.com/page6.html) works at 50Hz (!!!) with
regular transformer steel core and exhibits COP up to 5.4.

4. He also proposed a few constructions for his ideas in his patent
application (http://inkomp-delta.com/page4.html). It's also in
Bulgarian, but all schematic figures are in couples. The first
presents a state without current in control coil, the second presents
a state with current in control coil. Permanent magnet flux is in
blue. Control coil flux is in red.

I hope the above points will help somebody. At least for me it
changed a lot.


Here's his patent application translated into English, again without the
referenced images:

https://translate.google.com/transla...tml&edit-text=

[Doogy2Shoes]

this thing has purportedly been around for 8 years and still all he sells
is demos of it , and charges hundreds of Euros,prepaid, to demonstrate the device. He also forces the people buying the demos to disclose all their demands in advance, such as any part of the demo they might wish to change or measure themselves with different equipment etc.

it is critiqued in this thread by someone who paid for an actual demonstration :


Google Translate

[Doogy2Shoes]

its always a delicate situation because the inventor often is stuck between trying to find investors and risking having his intellectual property just taken from him for free. For this reason he won't disclose every single detail of how it works and why it works. Because he won't disclose every single detail of how it works and why, he's open to accusations of fraud.

[BroMikey]

Inventor

I don't doubt that many inventors have great discoveries. And like you say with this man, he is onto practical production.

Don't be fooled by the silence. Anyone who claims to have one of these practical devices is a target, especially if it can take the place of a car engine now you can bet your doogy2shoes that THAT claim will be shot down come hell or high water.

Discredit, send trolls, make the inventor an offer to buy him out, threaten his family. Put a snake in his car, yeah that will take care of it.

These people who run the world are watching everything. If people want to be successful find 10-100 people who can get something started privately. Get your homes running and off the grid.

So far we are not seeing anything practical like this yet.

Magnet motors ARE leading the way so far.

Great find Doggy. I am still looking at the information you have posted.

Mikey