Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[jimboot]

Hi guys
I posted this last night, but this am it was gone. I guess it was server maintenance.
I hope people feel it is relevant, on this this thread.
I finished winding my motor and it worked, not the best but it is a start.
So, I built a brushless motor with no permanent magnets, just an itch I had to scratch. The build is very similar to the 90* gen, posted by UFO, the rotor is also similar to Dragons rotor.
The first of the video is the build, last min or two is the motor spinning.

http://youtu.be/o6yZQpX9y5k

Again, just an experiment, will probably switch to pm rotor.

Grumage and jimboot, great testing. Grumage my gen rotor is similar to your, I hope to test mine soon.

Excellent work. Wish I had half your skill. Beautiful build. Nice bobbins too! Thanks for the vid, really helpful

[machinealive]

Hey there jimboot

Glad you found it usefull. I should have made extra bobbins, with different shaped ends, all at once in the beginning of the build. I am going to take it apart and modify the bobbins a little narrower. I ordered some magnets for the next rotor, as well.
Later

[kenssurplus]

Hi all,

I attempted to build an outrunner version of this type of generator. Since I have several variants of outrunners to choose from I thought that it would be easiest for me to modify and thus complete a test unit. Well, I have no funds or time available to work on this now.

So, I have taken it ias far as I can without finnishing this build. The reason for even posting this is that it may in fact be easier to work with for some who are sitting on the sidelines mildly interested, but not fully comitted to building from scratch or some other reasons.

With that all said, here is the build:

I had an old ceiling fan with an attached light kit that I decided to use as the base for this low lenz generator.



After taking the fan apart, i planned on attaching a steel pipe section inside the brown outer casing to hold some neo magnets, and to complete the magnetic circuit on the backs of the magnets.

Here you can see me holding one magnet sort of in the position I would have liked it to be in:



Anyway, I am completely unavailable for working further on this unit. If anyone wants to take this thought farther - GO FOR IT!

Also, I have a build thread over at http://open-source-energy.org/?topic=2326.0 that details most of what I had in mind.

[jimboot]

Thanks Ken Nice idea.

[jimboot]

Hi all,
Just an update. I've switched to a smart drive washing machine stator which a lot of guys are making wind gens from. It looks like about 22awg. Got the idea from Gerard Morins latest vid. Only thing is that the mags have to be on the outside diameter not the inside. Trying to work out how to remove the ceramic mags from the rotor without damaging them now.

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I've been busy with another project for the past 3 weeks and didn't have the time to complete one of my last experiment to confirm if this effect has any value.
So before closing the book on this one, since my previous version was not showing a good results and was also a different design, I wanted to build a single coil version of Dragon's version since he claimed to have some good results.

Even with these changes, my results are not positive, however, I made a video of it anyways so all can see.

From all the replication attempts that I've seen, researchers are not doing power calculations (watts in and watts out), so as far as I'm concerned they won't see the reality until they do.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0souZVPKw8

I'm moving on to testing Erfinder's multi strand bucking coils.

Luc

[gotoluc]

I will be sharing my replication attempt of Erfinder's multi strand bucking gen coils at this topic: Erfinder's multi-strand bucking generator coils

[scot]

Generator

Hi Dragon,
How are you doing with this project I am very interested in building the same thing. Can I help you with yours?
Thanks, Scot

[dragon]

Hi Dragon,
How are you doing with this project I am very interested in building the same thing. Can I help you with yours?
Thanks, Scot

This was as far as I got when I decided to shelf the idea while it was so unbearable to work in a frozen shop. As soon as I clear the clutter I'll pull it out again and complete it.

This is a remake of the small original tests and is ultra low cogging. I ended up remaking the entire rotor assembly and installed iron wire instead of silicon or solids... made a whole different machine.

I have a ton of projects in the works but as soon as I get the motor built I'll start posting more about it...

What are you working on in this area?

[scot]

Gen

Hi Dragon,
I just finished a hydrogen injector for Russ at RWG research.
I am a complete idiot when it comes to motors and electrical devices but I can see that there are some very good ideas to make generators more efficient.
I would like to help in the mechanical and machining area which doesn't help you much but I thought maybe I could get you some silicon steel.
Do you have projects that I could help machine parts for I'm kinda looking to trade help for help as I don't just want to just take without giving.
Thanks, Scot

[gotoluc]

This was as far as I got when I decided to shelf the idea while it was so unbearable to work in a frozen shop. As soon as I clear the clutter I'll pull it out again and complete it.

This is a remake of the small original tests and is ultra low cogging. I ended up remaking the entire rotor assembly and installed iron wire instead of silicon or solids... made a whole different machine.

I have a ton of projects in the works but as soon as I get the motor built I'll start posting more about it...

What are you working on in this area?

Interestingly enough I was thinking of you a few days ago, wondering where you're at with the build.

Thanks for the update and really looking forward to some test results.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

[aweiaini]

10kw 220v 50hz 1500rpm gen is convert to the new gen ，but the gen voltage is about 25v NO LOAD at 700rpm，the pm magnet is 100mm *50mm*10mm N52，arrangement NSNS，i dont know why the voltage is so low。
here is some pic。

[Ufopolitics]

Generating Fields...

10kw 220v 50hz 1500rpm gen is convert to the new gen ，but the gen voltage is about 25v NO LOAD at 700rpm，the pm magnet is 100mm *50mm*10mm N52，arrangement NSNS，i dont know why the voltage is so low。
here is some pic。

Hello Aweiaini,

IMO I do not find 'suitable' your Generating Coils Fields arrangement versus your Four Pole Iron Segments, therefore, the magnets which are not seen on pics...

The Stator Generating Field overlapped coils are based on only two poles, while it has Four eight pole single coils, which seems for the exciting circuit.

Are you reproducing the Original Rotary Stator segments size circumference exactly as it was?

I see too wide gap between each iron segment.

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In my opinion you will need the iron transfer cores to be matching the smaller size overlapped coils, meaning from two to four poles size from stator generator core, and not based on the four larger coils, which are not overlapped. That limits your continuous and increasing V generation.

Also, you do not need the "T" shaped laminated iron ...that is wasted space from solid magnetic field transfer, use semi arc rectangular segments. There is no wires going there...so, no need for that T shape. And make them not that deep, that is also 'delayed' transfer on the long run.


Just my two cents


Good luck there!


Ufopolitics.

[aweiaini]

first pic is for install pm magnets，

[Ufopolitics]

first pic is for install pm magnets，

Sorry, but I do not think that would generate properly...

You have to keep the sweeping ratio Geometry, you have a 36 poles stator, that gives you @ -/+ 10º per pole (more likely around 8.5º), meaning each Magnet, and Iron Core MUST BE within at least, Eighty Degrees (80º) and having a gap between them of around 10º.

This Angles must be measured from shaft center to outer area.

Take a look at CAD below, then look at your design:

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Hope this helps you...

Plus, you must realize you are using straight magnets (not Arc Segments), therefore you already have a loss in gap geometry transfer communication.


Ufopolitics