Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[hello_all]

Some Doubts

Looking at the videos in poor quality !! i could make out somethings that the inventor is not communicating but writing on paper which is barely visible.
ok! no problem , then the video is shot by some other person in some takes and in some by himself and later edited -- - so it is not a single take.

- Here is something that projects a doubt - the 1st video where he rotates the wheel and drill kicks in , listen to it carefully , the kick in of drill is like full power is given to it , like it is plugged in , so it is not a small fade in noise , but a regular noise ------ Cause a doubt that the generator is switching some relay to the drill.

- Second video , where he shows the generator 200 volt reading by moving with his hands , - i bet no generator can do that , the reading of the voltmeter are crooked , it might be 2 volt- 12 volt but not 200 V and then same with shorting the coil , many has pointed this out. This is later shown when coupled with a motor , the reading goes off the scale of 200volt because it is now producing some volts depending on the rpm of the motor .


- Third thing is the clay or dirt on the floor , it can be used in many ways , firstly to hide the live wires under it and hook them back in using the capacitor.
Secondly a whole metal cage can be built under , many pointed this out when there was tension in the belt while inventor shows load runs .


- Fourth thing is when he takes the load of the welding unit and then hits it , it caused a drop in the main line which can be heard as the motor speed drops, happens same way when a mixer is turned at home etc... shows clearly the motor is on main line, generator is just a decoy running idle. The welding unit is at main line.

- Fifth thing is when the inventor starts the generator /motor with his hand , watch careful how easily it starts the first kick it did not work and second was like instant at full power , no up and down , as if someone switched the motor on, it is carefully timed but can be filmed correctly.


- OK i have spoiled the party early , but anyone can do math later and show numbers ,since he has the CAD software and electrical background , he must have tried this and thought about those number earlier.


-Last piece of dismantelling , now this part is not there , here you see the aluminium rotors and the iron pieces and the 4 electromagnets .

- If i try to be sherlock homes and investigate the crime scene , this was failed attempt by the inventor to mod a generator (maybe the mod worked but did not produce the excess power as claimed ) and all he did was to post the edited video on youtube to boost his ego ..------ nothing else. ------case closed.


This is not new on the forum , we have seen this too many times earlier, if this is so true why not take orders and replicate this for all the people in the world , why hide under the names of indonesia inventor and old patents of James w german. - also there is 10k prize challenge for a person who shows overunity -claim it.


yours welcome

[jtanguay]

Hello_all you bring some valid points.

I would invest everything I had into this motor if I knew it would work. And would be able to replicate it quite closely... But it's a pretty big risk.

That being said, let's remember what this generator is rated at. I think he has the 10kW version and those power tools that are spooling up probably consume what.. maybe 1500 watts max? With those capacitors to smooth things out, I have no doubt this could be real. Considering this generator is rated to produce it's max load at around 1500 rpm, it's not out of the question to expect it to produce massive power at even hand cranking speeds (granted you may need popeye, but still).

And about this 10k prize, it sounds very fishy to me. There are many self running bedini motors out there, so why wouldn't they claim this 'prize' either? I bet there are a bunch of 'rules' etc. Even Stan Meyer was more or less laughed out of court. All that was needed was a few 'expert' witnesses to 'debunk' the technology, and like magic, the technology was discredited, and the damage done.

[BroMikey]

Agreed

I would have to agree with your viewpoint. I feel that this contest is a way of tagging those who are gullible enough to believe that the world is just one big happy family who wants to make the world into some-kind of utopia

I am trying not to laugh. Those guys hate the inventors and will at best steal their idea calling it a 99,999kw machine.

The best contest is the one where you get out in one piece while passing the technology onto someone who can benefit from your expertise.

Don't tell anyone and go ahead and make the money. Good jobs like this are hard to find and many folks find it harder to put food on their tables.

Consider it a promotion.

If you can make extra energy you have won the contest.

Mike

Hello_all you bring some valid points.

I would invest everything I had into this motor if I knew it would work. And would be able to replicate it quite closely... But it's a pretty big risk.

That being said, let's remember what this generator is rated at. I think he has the 10kW version and those power tools that are spooling up probably consume what.. maybe 1500 watts max? With those capacitors to smooth things out, I have no doubt this could be real. Considering this generator is rated to produce it's max load at around 1500 rpm, it's not out of the question to expect it to produce massive power at even hand cranking speeds (granted you may need popeye, but still).

And about this 10k prize, it sounds very fishy to me. There are many self running bedini motors out there, so why wouldn't they claim this 'prize' either? I bet there are a bunch of 'rules' etc. Even Stan Meyer was more or less laughed out of court. All that was needed was a few 'expert' witnesses to 'debunk' the technology, and like magic, the technology was discredited, and the damage done.

[Dog-One]

Before you say anything...

The only thing I do know, is there are a whole lot of things I don't know.

Here's one I stumbled upon tonight.

Get out google translate and try an experiment or two and see if there is something to this. If there is, maybe it's something we can use.


Ufopolitics, I'd bet you can make sense of it and have probably even seen it and thought it was an anomaly in your measurements.

[RAMSET]

sorry to interupt

jtanguay
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There are many self running bedini motors out there,
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Sir
do you have a link for a self runner, an actual self running replication?
@DogOne
Might be interesting to see Smudges take on that Link ?
thx
Chet

[marxist]

even number of coils, uneven number of metal sheets

High All

I quickly put together a small setup just to see some of what is claimed "not self run, I did not expect that with my setup", just to see the cogging and to scope the output, also to see what drag there is when shorting the output.

To start with there is heavy cogging, when shorting there is next to no drag and once turning with a little speed the cogging seems to reduce a lot, current draw drops to half.

I'm not a motor man but look at the output wave form, the frequency is 160hz and a duty swing of around 60/40 which maybe due to unbalanced coils!!

This is a converted computor fan, so was not expecting much output.

Hi Mike,
thanks for the video about your first tests which I found via OUR forum

I know that the strong cogging seems to be a feature of this type of generator as it could also be seen in the original video by syairchairun

However, I want to throw in the following idea:
If one uses four sets of magnets and 4 output coils, it might make sense to mount 5 iron sheets on the rotor, instead of 4. In this way the coils will not all get energized at the same time but sequentially (one after the other).
Cogging will be reduced, and so probably less energy will be needed to turn/drive the generator.
Just a thought.

[jettis]

Instead of trying to replicate, think about what Lenz is really saying, comprehend where the problem is and attack the problem.

The device under discussion has a long history. The modifications that will be made to an off the shelf motor don't guarantee your success. Several have built generators based on this concept, this is the first I have seen in the form of a converted induction machine. None have demonstrated the results seen in the demonstration.

Lenz is not an issue in properly designed systems. The pioneers of NEVER mentioned the negative effects we glorify today! Give the systems you contemplate building some thought. The simple solution is right in your face has been for decades.

Regards

Steve,

Do you have the simple solution that is right in our faces? Please explain on how you would use Lenz in a properly designed system?

Thank you,
-Dave Wing

[jtanguay]

jtanguay
quote

There are many self running bedini motors out there,
------------------------------------------------------------
Sir
do you have a link for a self runner, an actual self running replication?
@DogOne
Might be interesting to see Smudges take on that Link ?
thx
Chet

Check this video out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9ARja0DiT0

From what I could scrounge on the internet, it looks as though as he has a hall sensor triggering a solid state relay at just the right moment. This is one that I will attempt to replicate as best as I can.

Thanks to those entrepreneuring Chinese!
Output 24V 380V 25A SSR 25 Da Solid State Relay for PID Temperature Controller | eBay

I just wonder how well that one will work. I bet I could find the specs on the one the guy in the video used.+


Here's another replication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOldJUHhjnc

Sorry the last one isn't really a bedini self runner.

[hello_all]

Mike selfrunner

You were not here when mike came out with the self runner ,he later on admitted that was not self runner . There were batteries hidden in the core of the motor, he confused a lot of people here and many replications were done , but no selfrunner.
Second video , he shows motor running on 14 volts and then he has small stator generator feed to bendini ssg to charge battery , not a self runner . Bendini stuff is not self runner , all it can do is to produce 300 volts spikes to charge batteries , you still need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon , 2 battery statem ,in the end both batteries are depleted when swapped. Max you can do from bendini circuit is run a fan, or small water pump with low flow rate and charge battery , It is very slow , no torque, and slow charging over days, for the sake people went solid state and used pulse chargers or high amp chargers for batteries.

[erfinder]

Ok,

Dave, you asked, and this is major off topic, or maybe it isn't I don't know, I'm sure someone knows.

Pay attention to what your leadership is showing you. What they show you is more important than what they say. In the video on the advanced SG, Peter highlights JB's greatest gift to this community, namely, the so-called "generator mode" or as Peter called it, "common ground mode".

COMPREHEND THAT MODE OF OPERATION AND APPLY IT!

I found what they are showing here a long time ago, and was trying to share it with UFO, but then like now, my communication skills weren't were they needed to be. When I say comprehend what they are showing you I mean just that, it doesn't mean copy and paste. What works in this particular system will not work elsewhere, the principles however, can be applied anywhere when you comprehend them.

I haven't heard them say it, but this is a kind of resonance, its a genius, sneaky way of producing resonance, one which none of you here have ever tripped over, probably one of the reasons why they see fit to up the ante. Resonance we know, basically when your reactance are equal......they use the term impedance but we have no relation, we aren't told if the reactance in question is capacitive or inductive, its as if it doesn't matter......maybe it doesn't? I am also fond of catch phrases like "impedance matching" which is saying what.......resonance..... We also find them describing the parallel resonant condition in their description of how to tune the SG. Specifically, they state tune for the lowest draw, for the highest RPM. This is the exact behavior we find in a tuned parallel resonant LC. It is also the natural condition we find in a common DC motor which is operating at it's no load RPM.

It hasn't been demonstrated how to manipulate the impedance and or reactance or reactive cross section of the circuit yet, but I can see that the foundation has been laid. The SG lesson is complete, and what I hope follows will be the practical application.

The generator they are showing you holds more mystery than you think, the size of the core, the method by which the coil is polarized via the diode, the mutual inductance between the gen coil and the motor coil (that last one they don't talk about, but you better believe its important.) As this is a demonstration of one coil, the real magic you wont see, the relation between the motor and gen isn't emphasized. We find a motor which isn't a motor, so the gen shouldn't be a generator in the true sense either.....think about that.

As far as how I would do a Lenzless gen, lets not go there....They start you off with what you need, a simple method, keep in mind that there more to it than what you have been given. Keep reviewing what they gave you, each time you do, you will gain new insights, and eventually have what you are looking for.

Owing to our history, I don't feel motivated to be more forthcoming with you or your associates. This is as far as I go, hope it helps you.


Regards

[jtanguay]

You were not here when mike came out with the self runner ,he later on admitted that was not self runner . There were batteries hidden in the core of the motor, he confused a lot of people here and many replications were done , but no selfrunner.
Second video , he shows motor running on 14 volts and then he has small stator generator feed to bendini ssg to charge battery , not a self runner . Bendini stuff is not self runner , all it can do is to produce 300 volts spikes to charge batteries , you still need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon , 2 battery statem ,in the end both batteries are depleted when swapped. Max you can do from bendini circuit is run a fan, or small water pump with low flow rate and charge battery , It is very slow , no torque, and slow charging over days, for the sake people went solid state and used pulse chargers or high amp chargers for batteries.

Hmmm... I've searched high and low for information on Mike's motor and haven't found where he admitted that it's running off batteries.

Believe what you want about the Bedini stuff not being self runners. The best way to get a self runner is to use mechanical switching, and it has to be within a very short timeframe to harvest the energy. Most people don't realize this, and that's why their experiments fail. Stan Meyer used a micro controller that would self tune to the cell he was charging. The system was very similar to that of a Bedini (just look at the diode placement).

Just remember that the trigger coil isn't necessary with a mechanically switched system. Much like the lockridge motor which relied on switching of the magnetic flux, probably during the magnetic peaks, shorting the coils at just the right moment, dumping that surge into the copper wound capacitor which would've been able to most if not all of the surge power.

With the explosion in cheap microcontrollers, there's a chance for the common man to build working prototypes. I'm a programmer, and even though I don't quite understand electricity, I can take various inputs from whatever source I can find, and produce an algorithm that will it possible for the motor to tune itself.

[jimboot]

Here's where I'm at
Generator test 2 - YouTube
Generator test 3 - YouTube
Generator test 4 - YouTube
Generator test 5 - YouTube

[hello_all]

Very good attempt , instead of adding those big pickup coils , you can use stator of old printer , that stator will have circular windings of coils and you can use it easily. Also you are seeing more volts as you are near the magnet and the iron breaks that flux in wave manner. The more the iron pieces the more the frequency and more output and more power needed to move it. As expected the output from inner core coil is less as there is less flux reaching to it.

[Joit]

You were not here when mike came out with the self runner ,he later on admitted that was not self runner . There were batteries hidden in the core of the motor, he confused a lot of people here and many replications were done , but no selfrunner.
Second video , he shows motor running on 14 volts and then he has small stator generator feed to bendini ssg to charge battery , not a self runner . Bendini stuff is not self runner , all it can do is to produce 300 volts spikes to charge batteries , you still need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon , 2 battery statem ,in the end both batteries are depleted when swapped. Max you can do from bendini circuit is run a fan, or small water pump with low flow rate and charge battery , It is very slow , no torque, and slow charging over days, for the sake people went solid state and used pulse chargers or high amp chargers for batteries.

I would like to see the links to that claims from Mike and the batteries too.

Right now i only see you here trying to debunk anything, but not provide really anything usefull.
Its pretty BS that "it produce 300V" "need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon" "no torque" "slow charging over days"
It looks like we got only another Troll with you, what rested until found your chance to troll around.

[Joit]

I would like to see the links to that claims from Mike and the batteries too.

Right now i only see you here trying to debunk anything, but not provide really anything usefull.
Its pretty BS that "it produce 300V" "need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon" "no torque" "slow charging over days"
It looks like we got only another Troll with you, what rested until found your chance to troll around.

"produce 300V"
It depends what Coil and how much wire you use, how much spikes you will get.
I had builds with spikes between 100 or 500 Volts, different Coils, different spikes.
"need input to run the wheel which will deplete soon"
It depends how you adjust the Circuit. I run Bedinis from an 8Ah 12 V Batterie over Days and more.
There is also a simple Formula about, how long you can run it, so nothing with " it will deplete soon"
It seems you have not really a idea about the Bedini circuit is, else you would know, that it doesnt depend on torque to run it and got the expected Results.
But torque is not a Problem when someone want it, just put some more Coils 90° 180° 170° around it that they are arranged like a motor, and you got torque, but as said, torque is useless at this Circuit.
"slow charging over days"
Same again, simple not true, Batteries charge faster as more you charge them up and the cycles get shorter. When you want a fast charge, just use bigger Coils. But even when you compare the input/ouptput from it, it allready charge faster then any other **** what you can buy nowadays at Walmart.

Still, feel free to post that link from the build from 'Mike', what Mike ever.