Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[wantomake]

Rpm ????

To Anybody,
Does the rpm's affect the output?

Finished the two pc fan setup with two same size fans as one is the mover and the second is the modified generator. But less 1000 rpm's and only 2 vdc output.

The fan only pulls .280 amps from 12 volt car battery but very low output.

Any suggestions welcome,
wantomake

[Lightworker1]

Hello to All,

I put some CAD's together for you to understand this Design better...we worked on a similar design before, where the bearings for rotor were reversed rotation (Idea of Member Machinealive on the Figuera's Generator)

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I used about the same color codes as Inventor/Developer utilized on his 3D Modeling, where Static Shaft is Yellow, Outer Generator Fields is red-oxide...and blue casing. He has made a beautiful rendering of this, except that because it has so much reflections, refractions and too many shadows (too many lighting with shadows)...it tends to confusion and is hard to see.

Related to the 0.5 mm, I believe He is referring to the rotor laminations.

Related to this design, I see a weak mechanical point which I circled in red below:

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A complicated solution would be to bore rotating shaft on inner section and insert a bearing in order that elongating yellow static shaft penetrates and lean on front shaft on inner bearing ring (static as well)...or an easier one to use a very heavy duty and bigger than factory front shaft bearing and front plate, as well as a longer sleeve to hold static shaft on the rear end plate.

To start searching for an old Generator Head, I would choose a four pole,(much less RPM's required compared to a Two Pole Design), and a brushless design would be the perfect choice, in order to reuse the rotor wires or same spec's, as gauge, number of turns or total length...then the inner stator exciters would be closed loop with diodes/varistors...so no need to make rear static shaft hollow...nor run any feeding wires...plus, the generating coils would have included the exciter fields attached to the right Running Capacitor. Then all that would need to be done is the machining and lathing of the inner rotary and stationary parts.


Regards to all


Ufopolitics

EDIT 1: I forgot to mention that on video of the assembly taken apart...He shows the iron cores surrounded by an outer steel tubing, same diameter (as he measures it with caliper) as the inner generating fields core...I believe this is some kind of "Alignment Tool" He made, before the Aluminum plates are tighten with iron cores through the long bolts, then He pulls it/slide it out, this is in order to keep a perfect centered within inner circumference surfaces.

Hello UFO my friend, thanks for the new drawing rendering. A place for new thoughts taking 3D Forms.

Many Thanks

Warmest Regards

light

[Lightworker1]

Hello to All (basically the ones interested in the Design originally posted on this Thread),


I have put together some CAD Graphics on a New Idea for this same type of concept - very interesting, indeed- where Iron Cores transfer magnetic flux to the generating fields Cores...what I see as a way to avoid Lenz Law is the fact that so far We have been rotating the "SOURCE" (Electromagnets Coils or Magnets) along with the Rotor Laminations or Iron Core(s) in any Two Part Generator, and it is understood that by having both, Source and Rotor Iron Cores attached as ONE, whenever we get the Lenz Effect on the Magnetic Fields from Coils, Rotor suffers DIRECTLY the stiffness of those counter-forces as well.

To easily understand what I am basing this design on...You must be familiar with the way a Vehicle (Car) typical Alternator does the Magnetic Field Redirection of the Iron Cores "Jaws" from the Exciter Coil:

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And I believe a good start would be to convert one of these into this new concepts, however, major work would be required, as to separate the Jaws in Two, and to isolate it from shaft, in order to obtain "pure" poles...plus to either divide Exciter Coil in two Outer static parts... or keep it within same way as this new generator have Dual Shafts, one static, one rotary.

A simple test that you guys could do...

Get a Cylindrical Magnet where poles are set at its Caps/Ends, get a solid iron cylinder (non magnetized, preferably cold rolled) and approach one end -with a very close air gap, no need to physically touch it- to one of the magnet poles, say North,then check how the whole iron bar becomes that approached North pole...at its ends as well as on the sides, the iron bar has become an "extension" of the magnet's North Pole...a monopole?...yes!

So here is my idea so far...:


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I believe this design will cancel or at least reduce cogging considerably, since Magnetic Fields from either Magnets or Electro-Magnets would NOT be projecting their B Fields in a Mirror, Symmetrical fashion toward Generating Fields or even to Rotor Iron Elements...but, projecting ALWAYS EQUAL Magnetic Fields Polarity through their Plates.

Stators/Exciters would be Static as well as the Main design on this Thread, except, they would be disposed as shown on Diagrams above. No brushes, no continuous slip rings...a brushless Generator.

The Redirection of Magnetic Flux would be transferred via Iron Plates/Disc shaped in a very close air Gap from Stators Iron Plates/Cores to rotor Iron Plates.

Iron "Switching" Cores will NOT be switching here at all, but always retaining their transferred/redirected polarity through the "Unipolar" Plates, and, in this design is shown a Generator based on Two Poles for sake of simplicity...but, Four Poles or any number of Poles could be done by using "U" Elements interconnected in "X" or Crossed...and not single "L" Elements like shown here.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

Hello UFO, Great idea to try, but as it stands might require access to good machine shop. On the other hand as time progresses it will start to present simplifying mods. Looks we are heading in the right direction. Keep up the great work. Your 3D drawings are excellent.

Thanks

Warmest Regards

light

[jimboot]

To Anybody,
Does the rpm's affect the output?

Finished the two pc fan setup with two same size fans as one is the mover and the second is the modified generator. But less 1000 rpm's and only 2 vdc output.

The fan only pulls .280 amps from 12 volt car battery but very low output.

Any suggestions welcome,
wantomake

You should get output with a few 100 Rpms . The rotor must cog hard when turned my hand. Like it will severely injure you if you get your finger stuck.

[wantomake]

will try

Thanks jimboot,
Ok will try that. I went small with soft iron and magnets to see results. Still trying different rotor windings too. Will post pictures later.

Thanks again,
wantomake

[Ufopolitics]

A Simple Five Pole Replication...

Hello to All,

This is a replication I am making of this Concept...:

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It may look complicated at first sight...but it is not.

I used a small Five Pole Rotor...rewind it with 20 awg, around 20 turns per each two poles, all in series overlapped, having a total of 100 vertical wires (the ones they say are the only ones that generate output...LOL).

The great advantage of setting the Magnets or stators Axially, and fixed to the end caps, besides setting the B-Fields Perpendicular...is that further on We could add another External set of Core and Generating Fields Ring...using/sharing the same magnetized rotating Iron Cores...

I had to take off the original shaft from the Five Pole Armature and press a hollow brass rod/tubing...plus very small bearings as the internal ones (I am using Two at each end of static shaft instead of one as represented on this Diagram).

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I got some new Neo's rings made with epoxy/ceramic...very easy to drill to install 2/56 bolts to caps, however, they are not as strong, so am using Two per each Pole..

The Iron Rings and Cores I made them off an iron tubing of suitable diameter...as well as the same diameter aluminum tube for the separators, which I am making in a more complicated shape...filling the whole empty space when two iron pieces are attached in place.

Another bigger brass tubing would be the one driving the iron/aluminum drum back and front...the end plates of drum I am using either copper or iron sheet metal plates 1.0 mm.

I am using also a longer brass bar (solid) shown on picture...as a Guiding/Alignment Tool to get all parts (Rotor Drum) soldered and bolted together.

I am building this small Model, not only to show it here related to the original design...but to test another configuration to demonstrate another Machine that uses a different type of Induction than the one we all know so far...

One thing that tends to confuse Us with this type of Engineering Design...is that All the Inner Bearings are used opposite as they normally are utilized, meaning, having center static along with a main Inner Static Shaft...while outer Race is the end which rotates.


Let's see if it works...

If it works...anyone know this could be scaled up to any size...is just finding the right Armature from any Motor...and external Stator Cores (I am looking at using an Alternator outer core having the right size rotor.


@Wantomake: Thanks Friend, learning CAD is important...I have a few years of Engineering Design and the works...now, I hope you are re-winding the coils from the Typical fan motor (two phase,the most common)...and not expecting to generate the way it comes from Factory.

@Lightworker1: Thanks Friend, and, nope, there is not much heavy machinery required...I have not used my Lathe for this...so far...just lots of work, patience and love... ...and of course...tons of desires to take down Oil Supremacy...basically...

@Dragon: Thanks, I appreciate it...Hey, that Six Pole Outer Coils from a Fan you made...could you give me the spec's where to get this type of motor?...would be interesting to have one...and finally, let me just say this...Sometimes the things We think may not work...end up giving Us the best of results...and viceversa...sometimes We think it MUST work...and it don't...this are the fundamentals of knowledge and experience my friend. Only making it and testing it will tell Us if right or wrong.


Regards to All


Ufopolitics

EDIT_1: I have replaced that Diagram three times...some wrong view of the front inner bearing...hidden first, then magnets shown above...etc. So number Three (3) is the final...promise...lol

[dragon]

UFO... that's a basic cheap box fan motor, the kind you can typically pick up for 20 bux - I think it came out of a 20" fan, the stator windings were bad and I rewound it for this project. Great little donor for small projects !

[marxist]

unequal numbers

the stronger the cogging the better the output

Yes, sure, insofar as the cogging indicates a strong interaction between the magnetized iron pieces and the coil cores.

New rotor built , cogging is so strong now I can't turn it, doh!

Naturally if coils, magents and "flux-transfer irons" are all of equal numbers, the cogging of all coil-and-magnet-pairs happens simultaneously, i.e. at the same point in time.

With a different nuber of transfer irons, that will not be the case and the system can not lock up like that. Yet the interaction between each coil and magnet will stay as strong as before.
I.e. the energy produced will be the same as with equal numbers, but it will not happen in all coils simultaneously. It will happen sequentially, that is in one after the other.

And there is another aspect:
With a different number of "flux-transfer irons" and if all coils are connected in series the max amount of electrical energy produced by one coil will flow through all the other coils while those ones are NOT producing max. output.
That will instead produce a motoring (or "push away effect") in other coils, at the time it is required.

Am I wrong?

[Dog-One]

With a different number of "flux-transfer irons" and if all coils are connected in series the max amount of electrical energy produced by one coil will flow through all the other coils while those ones are NOT producing max. output.
That will instead produce a motoring (or "push away effect") in other coils, at the time it is required.

As far as I can reason this out.

The only solution I can envision at this time is to take each stator winding separately and attach a bridge rectifier, then dump all of these to a common capacitor. So now you have a DC generator, but if it works and doesn't cog, it's still better than a kick in the pants.

I believe there are a few designs in the works to mimic the Muller Motor having 8 poles and 9 irons so to eliminate as best as they can the sticking points.

[Ufopolitics]

Cogging Effect...

Hello to All,

I see the cogging effect caused as a Magnet (or Electromagnet) attracted by an aligned iron core segment then repelled by the oncoming one.

Agree that a larger number of Iron Transfer Cores versus smaller number of Stators/Exciters Poles could make cogging "lighter"...but I also picture Larger Circumference Iron Cores versus smaller Stators Elements, or even fractionating them into several smaller poles.

In a conventional Two Part Generator we can see the Large Exciter/Stator Circumference versus the fragmented Generating Field Cores.

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The Diagram above is a copy of a 3 KW small Generator I have...it has 24 teeth/poles at Generating Field Core...while the Stator circumference comprehends SEVEN of this small poles...and NOT SIX, like it would be if the 24 poles are divided exactly by Four.

If We turn on the power of the exciter coil (feeding brushes directly) and turn rotor -without loading output of course, so no Lenz- we do not feel any cogging at all but just a steady and normal magnetic drag.

A "one to one" exchange/interaction between magnetic source and iron will always bring higher cogging.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[gotoluc]

Hi everyone,

I was wondering what the Wave Form of one of these devices may look like.
So I put together a simple test device using a shaded motor coil with two N - S ceramic magnets between it and placed a thin board over it so I can manually slide different cores over it to observe the wave forms and see if there's anything unusual we can see.

I find the waveform to be different then the standard and would like the opinion of others as to why you would think this would make a difference in a generator.

I also noticed the wave form is quite different depending on how wide the core I manually move over magnets and coil.

First picture is the coil and magnet test setup and cores to be used. Second picture is with the thin board over the test setup with a core ready to be moved by hand.
The below scope shots are the results of U-core, then thin core, then wide core.

Please share your thoughts

Luc

[kEhYo77]

Low Lenz Generator

Hi, here is my take on this.

[vidbid]

James W. German

Boy, that's what it looks like to me. And a fairly straightforward conversion of existing generators is possible with the right machining equipment. If it truly works, it's a darn ingenious method of avoiding Lenz Law.

The thing that stumps me is:
Since this concept has been patented, folks all over the planet should have running units. Maybe Sterling Allan's QMoGen page is for real...?

This is probably worth attempting a simple prototype replication. I think I would avoid putting a hole in the magnet side and instead use a split coil core and run the shaft in from the other side.

Video #1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz8k34CWRgk

Video #2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWU12Db_MY

I gather that design is somewhat duplicating some of James W. German's ideas.

Patent US5191258 - Electric current generator including torque reducing countermagnetic field - Google Patents

Publication number: US5191258 A
Publication type: Grant
Application number: US 07/757,548
Publication date: Mar 2, 1993
Filing date: Sep 11, 1991
Priority date: Sep 11, 1991
Fee status: Paid
Inventors: James W. German
Original Assignee: German James W



Regards,

VIDBID

[vidbid]

Comments on Editing the Video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKU...youtu.be&t=35m

it same wth mygenrtor 5kva
but in gnrtor 5kva i use mgnet
prmnen and i use 40 pole in prarel
and use 162 mgnet.
thanks

In referring to the 25 minute 40 second https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWU12Db_MY video, which is the second video posted by Syair Putra syairalamsyahrazab@yahoo.co.id, hanon1492 states in the comments section, "This video has been edited. Originally was 37:47 min. A copy of the original video is in FreeEnergyLT channel."

I'm not sure if the video was edited, but the video does appear to be split into two sections, but to make sure, I went to the FreeEnergyLT video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DKUFoWAuj0 and watched it. The video duration is 37 minutes and 47 seconds.

However, the first video by Syair Putra syairalamsyahrazab@yahoo.co.id at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bz8k34CWRgk is 12 minutes and 07 seconds.

Video #1: 12 m 07 s
Video #2: 25 m 40 s
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Total: 37 m 47 s

The total time of both videos posted by Syair Putra syairalamsyahrazab@yahoo.co.id is same length as the video posted on FreeEnergyLT's channel.

Conclusion: The only editing done (from what I can tell) was to split the videos into two segments.

Regards,

VIDBID

PS: Interesting to note that the video indicates the design is by a person by the name of Ramadan Syahputra. Syairchairun free energy alternator - YouTube I googled the name, and not much was was found under that name. Google offered an alternative version of the name: Ramadhan Syahputra. Still, not much found under that name either.

PPS: Interesting post by FreeEnergyLT has me questioning this device:

так вот и переведи на руски правилно...

The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

Looks like something is buried in a squarish hole under one of the capacitors. I call hoax. Dirt floor square lines around the capacitor supposedly powering the drive motor, the capacitor doesn't move at all. And the operation shows the power draw reflected in the strain on the belt while using the welder, and is audible loading so the load is being reflected to the supply. Because of the low RPM operation of the generator (possibly for wind turbine) and also due to the gearing the load is not noticed so easily, but I can see it loading the belt when he uses the welder and hear it. What's under that cap and why is there a square indent in the ground that resembles something buried that vibrates maybe ?



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[Dog-One]

Branch Prison Muaradua

PS: Interesting to note that the video indicates the design is by a person by the name of Ramadan Syahputra. Syairchairun free energy alternator - YouTube I googled the name, and not much was was found under that name. Google offered an alternative version of the name: Ramadhan Syahputra. Still, not much found under that name either.

What we did find was an article that indicates occupants of the Branch Prison Muaradua are the creators of this design, whether Ramadan is one of them or not that slipped the information to Syair, we do not know. What we can suspect is Syair may no longer be free to disseminate any additional info. I say that because all energy generation is strictly controlled and managed by the state.

The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

It's likely up to us now to get a working replication and begin the process of sharing information and improving the design.