Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[Ufopolitics]

first pic is for install pm magnets，

Aweiaini,

According to your CAD you have around 60º of iron core sweep, including the salient "T" design which also have loss. Meaning your Gap between each iron core segment is 30º.

I would try, if not available Arc Segment Neo's...to use two rectangular magnets (instead of just one) per each Iron Core Element Sweep Angle, like I show on right side of your CAD:

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I am sure that design would increase EMF Generation considerably.


Regards


Ufopolitics

[scot]

Gen

Hi UFO,
Thank you so much for your input and thank you for all your open source work, I think it is absolutely amazing.
I know you have your resources but if you need any machine work I can help you with please don't hesitate to ask.
Thank you very much for you help, Scot

[aweiaini]

thank you，i am redoing a new one，because i'm in china，i will try to upload a video if it be done。

[aweiaini]

i think if the magnet pole is too large，the iron core will shorted the mag circuit
，so my design the mag pole is smaller。

[Ufopolitics]

i think if the magnet pole is too large，the iron core will shorted the mag circuit
，so my design the mag pole is smaller。

Short circuiting the "Magnetic Circuit"?...

No such a thing...can't "short" magnetism, it will always 'search' for stable points....you either get one pole or the other...or nothing.

First you MUST use SOLID IRON PIECES...and forget about Laminated sheets of steel...

So, NO LAMINATED IRON SHEETS.

Take a look below:

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See what happens in REALITY when looking through cheap Magnetic Viewing Film??

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Above is magnetization of Iron Bar

Iron Bar could be moved along both magnets...and the division line will not move (Call it Domain Wall, Dielectric Plane...Bloch Wall, etc whatever...fact is, a division between poles) ...so that line dividing iron mass will just 'fluctuate' according to the mass inner 'imperfections' ...

Guys, in order to understand about all this projects, we will need to kind off forget about many, many things we were taught in school...like "Eddy" or Jamie Currents...Magnetic "Circuits", etc,etc...and Open Our Minds a bit...


However, the only thing I see about this design...is that Iron Elements will not 'swap' polarity like it will if magnets will rotate along the generating fields path, they will just transfer within the field area ...unless magnets are offset related to field coils...and still, no swapping of iron...


Ufopolitics

[aweiaini]

NO LAMINATED IRON SHEETS?I have try it some days ago，and the SOLID IRON PIECES become very hot，the drag is large。
Short circuiting means the "Magnetic flux Circuit"，the gen coils cant be magnetized 。so generate electricity efficiency is low。

[kenssurplus]

Heat caused by neos

Rotating iron next to neos is a good recipe for a heater.
See:http://www.energeticforum.com/renewa...+magnet+heater
Try some ceramic magnets so as not to saturate the core as bad.

[kenssurplus]

In aweiaini's version of this device, he uses laminations.
Magnets are satationary in the inside of the laminated steel iron poles. Thus, these laminated steel poles are the rotating members rotating past not only the output coils, but also past the magnets, thus completeing and interrupting the flux from the magnets to the coils (producing ac power). So Aweiaini's poles are not as long, which leaves the coils in a state of limbo for awhile.

As the longer iron pole pieces move past the next magnet (opposite polarity) then they take on that opposite polarity and converslely flip the output coils that were on the original polarity. This gives the output much higher hertz per RPM (double?) and the faster jump of polarity in the coils, gives a higher voltage per RPM. Does being made of laminations cause the flux not to flip evenly? Would this cause a staggered progression of pole change instead of one quick reversal?

In the original version by syairchairun, the iron pieces are sections of an iron pipe cut and shaped to match the magnet poles. If I recall the original video correctly, they were also quite thin comparatavely.

Oh well, just trying to understand the differences and what the special ingredients are.

I have a 10 HP 3 phase motor with the rotor made into a P.M. generator. I put 1x .5. x 2 Neos on the rotor which generates at low rpm but higher rpm just causes heat. I think if I tear all of that off and cut the shaft, making a cage to hold the iron pieces etc.... I could replicate as close to the original as I can get without buying the exact generator. The only things I would need is some machining of the rotor and bearing / iron rotor covers.

At least this is my take on the device.
I sure would like to resume my testing of this concept, perhaps in a month or two I can find some more experimenting budget.

[aweiaini]

In aweiaini's version of this device, he uses laminations.
Magnets are satationary in the inside of the laminated steel iron poles. Thus, these laminated steel poles are the rotating members rotating past not only the output coils, but also past the magnets, thus completeing and interrupting the flux from the magnets to the coils (producing ac power). So Aweiaini's poles are not as long, which leaves the coils in a state of limbo for awhile.

As the longer iron pole pieces move past the next magnet (opposite polarity) then they take on that opposite polarity and converslely flip the output coils that were on the original polarity. This gives the output much higher hertz per RPM (double?) and the faster jump of polarity in the coils, gives a higher voltage per RPM. Does being made of laminations cause the flux not to flip evenly? Would this cause a staggered progression of pole change instead of one quick reversal?

In the original version by syairchairun, the iron pieces are sections of an iron pipe cut and shaped to match the magnet poles. If I recall the original video correctly, they were also quite thin comparatavely.

Oh well, just trying to understand the differences and what the special ingredients are.

I have a 10 HP 3 phase motor with the rotor made into a P.M. generator. I put 1x .5. x 2 Neos on the rotor which generates at low rpm but higher rpm just causes heat. I think if I tear all of that off and cut the shaft, making a cage to hold the iron pieces etc.... I could replicate as close to the original as I can get without buying the exact generator. The only things I would need is some machining of the rotor and bearing / iron rotor covers.

At least this is my take on the device.
I sure would like to resume my testing of this concept, perhaps in a month or two I can find some more experimenting budget.

yes,This gives the output much higher hertz per RPM,if the tow pole close by each other like the upside picture show .you can see the hz form upside picture.
the first one i replicated is a three phase generator 7.5kw 3000rpm two pole（NS），i find the problem is that output voltage is low ，about 40v ，so i modify the 10kw gen 4 pole 1500rpm，i wish it could improve the voltage，but it could not。i think the problem may be that generator coil cant be exploited completely ，the reason is this style gen 。if this time could not success，i will modify a ebike motor，hereby improve the output voltage。

[kenssurplus]

Capacitors?

Did you try capacitors between the phases?

In the original version by syairchairun, he shows several capacitors attached to the output lines.

[sprocket]

I have just re-read this thread from the start and noticed something worrying. I'm sure most would agree that user 'dragon' appeared to be making real progress on this generator. So it is sad to see that right after he posted his video where his 3" rotor/8-guage-coils setup was producing 20+ amps (@0.5v), the very next day, a spate of first-time posters to this thread show up posting 'results' that seemed barely relevant to this thread. At least one poster noticed this and asked for the thread to be kept on-topic. Directly after this, 'dragon' removed ALL of his pics from ALL of his posts, and the interlopers disappeared, never to post again! Maybe I'm reading too much into this, maybe not, definitely suspicious though in the retrospective-re-read sort of way...

While it's fresh in my mind, 'dragon' also said that a solid-iron rotor is NOT the only way to go, he used iron-wire, with very favourable results apparently. I always wondered about the heat a solid rotor would generate and its effect on the neos.

[Albakaly]

It is Fake

Hi all.
I believe it fake. Here is the prove:
Generator like this has a magnetic in its rotor, it will not produce such much energy with his claim in that RPM.
also where is the original rotor of his generator, i did not
See it in his vedio. The rotor has a magnet in it otherwise wont generate that energy. It is an induction motor with magnets in its rotor.
Another prove is this youtube [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-6lUxXgTYA"]
This guy said it has a magnet in its rotor it behave like this claim.

Thanks

[selnet]

Flynn parallel path design

Hi Friends
I know that Luc Gotoluc has interest about this theme .I have watched many videos of him These were very useful For that reason I share also a video from me perhaps some other memeber like it too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGsQMGu4f4&t=241s

[gotoluc]

Hi selnet

That is an interesting motor design.
Are you the builder in this video?

Thanks for sharing

Luc