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  • Hi John,

    in Smith.pdf document there are some useful information about the benefit of using magneto-restriction material, i will past them all here so you could read them :

    Magnetic Resonance Power System
    Suggestions for Construction

    This is the Basic Sonar Power System which permits submarines to see approximately 50 miles distance. What is not commonly known is that it works better at higher frequencies in the Gigahertz range. Any Device that can radiate 50 miles plus, is producing an enormous electromagnetic disturbance from a small input into a rod of magnetostrictive material. Disturbing the Earth's Ambient Background plus the strong dipole being produced, turns the magnetostrictive rod into a combination of a receiving antenna and a vastly superior output transformer.
    The Drawing is only the Key Unit. A power input module and an output inverter circuit (diode bridge plus output transformer) are also required. The metal core and the wire size of the output transformer, plus adjusting the Earth Grounding of the Load, will determine the Amperage.
    The Ideal rod material is Terfenol-D (check the internet). However a 1.5" diameter 10" long rod, costs over $5,000 each. Less expensive alternatives are obvious. When constructing, use PVC tubing with removable caps. Wind the coils on it and insert the experimental rod. Use only magnetostrictive material. When you get it right, you will have exactly what the Doctor ordered:


    Magnetostriction oscillators work by magnetic resonance in a rod of magnetostriction material. This rod serves two purposes: It vibrates at the frequency of resonance oscillation, and it becomes the feedback transformer. Frequency is determined by items 4, 5, 6 and 8. The diameter, length and volume of the rod and output windings, determines the output. Item 2 provides feedback into the system. The negative magnetic character of item 8 plus the windings 2, in reaction to the magnetic flux field provided by 9, increases (amplifies or magnifies) the output. Magnetic permeability is the counterpart of negative resistance. Resonating with negative magnetic resistance, it pumps energy from the Earth's ambient background. Magnetic permeability is the ratio of flux density (Earth's B field) to the magnetizing force (H) in oersteds.

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    • the following schematic is what the previous post is about :


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      • Hi Med. I know this document, A piece of that rod cost thousands of dollars Have you any substitute?

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        • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
          Hi Med. I know this document, A piece of that rod cost thousands of dollars Have you any substitute?
          HI

          in the same document you read : Use only magnetostrictive material
          i can suggest using ferrite , since magnetorestriction is a character of ferromagnetic material, the process with/without the ferrite rod was proven practically, with the rod inside the E-TBC the ferrite tend to resonate naturally , why ? the ETBC isn't like ordinary parallel L/C circuit because it form an open parallel LC circuit where both side of electricity live together, the ferrite will take most of magnetic energy due to its magnetic Permeability, we know it as the ability of a material to support the formation of a magnetic field within itself....

          so our E-TBC will act like a ferrite rod plus one dimensional capacitor
          , i just can imagine how it is but i can't prove my point of view !!!
          most magnetic energy will be within the rod but for the coil to charge the capacitor there is something called spin separation mechanism which take action in point X , this process is related to the value of inductance and dynamic capacitance, so the E-TBC oscillate like normal parallel LC circuit but in the case of ferrite inside the coil will be invisible to our dynamic capacitor... because AB magnetic side appear to be an open coil the X capacitor will see nothing but only the ferrite rod as a coil ! remember that the electromagnetic flux is inside this rod plus the open coil will give the chance to the ferrite to oscillate at its higher speed , in my case the E-TBC oscillate at 3 MHZ but the ferrite resonate at 17 MHZ.

          this give the opportunity for the E-TBC to work freely outside its geometry, here it's better to give what Smith said :

          Disturbing the Earth's Ambient Background plus the strong dipole being produced, turns the magnetostrictive rod into a combination of a receiving antenna and a vastly superior output transformer.

          when the magnetic domain inside the rod turn to the initial position the capacitor will be charged , the amplification process inside the E-TBC remain intact because it's related to the induced electric field which is the speed variation of magnetic field, the magnetic field density inside the ferrite act like negative resistance , it oscillate and become the feedback, the E-TBC amplify the power so most magnetic field will be concentrated in magneto restrictive material and it's free from inductance and magnetic loss unlike normal coil...

          using a higher voltage will give a very powerful amplification , and i think this will be the solution to regulation problem encountered .


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          • I realize I am probably not going to be welcomed with the comments I am about to make. But please check these facts for yourselves. The comments in the document about Sonar are totally wrong. Sonar operates using sound not electromagnetic pulses. Also sonar signals can be from the below audible frequencies up to and including ultrasonic frequencies. Ultrasonic in audio frequencies means normally from 20 khz to 50 khz. As far as I have been able to find out there is no such thing as audio in the gigahertz range. So it seems a lot of the document is false and misleading.

            I spent quite a bit of time a couple of years ago watching the Don Smith videos. I have over 50 years experience working in electronics and what I saw from Don Smith was that he did not have any idea what he was talking about.

            I am not trying to discourage you from continuing your research. I am just saying you shouldn't lean to heavily on anything Don Smith said or wrote. You might want to look at a post in the Don Smith thread by someone that knew Don. It was posted there today.


            Originally posted by med.3012 View Post
            Hi John,

            in Smith.pdf document there are some useful information about the benefit of using magneto-restriction material, i will past them all here so you could read them :

            Magnetic Resonance Power System
            Suggestions for Construction

            This is the Basic Sonar Power System which permits submarines to see approximately 50 miles distance. What is not commonly known is that it works better at higher frequencies in the Gigahertz range. Any Device that can radiate 50 miles plus, is producing an enormous electromagnetic disturbance from a small input into a rod of magnetostrictive material. Disturbing the Earth's Ambient Background plus the strong dipole being produced, turns the magnetostrictive rod into a combination of a receiving antenna and a vastly superior output transformer.
            The Drawing is only the Key Unit. A power input module and an output inverter circuit (diode bridge plus output transformer) are also required. The metal core and the wire size of the output transformer, plus adjusting the Earth Grounding of the Load, will determine the Amperage.
            The Ideal rod material is Terfenol-D (check the internet). However a 1.5" diameter 10" long rod, costs over $5,000 each. Less expensive alternatives are obvious. When constructing, use PVC tubing with removable caps. Wind the coils on it and insert the experimental rod. Use only magnetostrictive material. When you get it right, you will have exactly what the Doctor ordered:


            Magnetostriction oscillators work by magnetic resonance in a rod of magnetostriction material. This rod serves two purposes: It vibrates at the frequency of resonance oscillation, and it becomes the feedback transformer. Frequency is determined by items 4, 5, 6 and 8. The diameter, length and volume of the rod and output windings, determines the output. Item 2 provides feedback into the system. The negative magnetic character of item 8 plus the windings 2, in reaction to the magnetic flux field provided by 9, increases (amplifies or magnifies) the output. Magnetic permeability is the counterpart of negative resistance. Resonating with negative magnetic resistance, it pumps energy from the Earth's ambient background. Magnetic permeability is the ratio of flux density (Earth's B field) to the magnetizing force (H) in oersteds.
            Respectfully,
            Carroll
            Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.

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            • Originally posted by citfta View Post
              I realize I am probably not going to be welcomed with the comments I am about to make. But please check these facts for yourselves. The comments in the document about Sonar are totally wrong. Sonar operates using sound not electromagnetic pulses. Also sonar signals can be from the below audible frequencies up to and including ultrasonic frequencies. Ultrasonic in audio frequencies means normally from 20 khz to 50 khz. As far as I have been able to find out there is no such thing as audio in the gigahertz range. So it seems a lot of the document is false and misleading.

              I spent quite a bit of time a couple of years ago watching the Don Smith videos. I have over 50 years experience working in electronics and what I saw from Don Smith was that he did not have any idea what he was talking about.

              I am not trying to discourage you from continuing your research. I am just saying you shouldn't lean to heavily on anything Don Smith said or wrote. You might want to look at a post in the Don Smith thread by someone that knew Don. It was posted there today.




              Respectfully,
              Carroll

              Hi

              you are welcome, no problem at all if we have different point of view , but the electromagnetic waves are used the same as in Radar, i did some search in the internet and i found such things using magneto-restriction material, for sure they use the most powerful elements , so they are very expensive .

              in my position the internet is my only source of information, i can't confirm if Don was deluded or not ... but he was confident about his work ....
              in other hands i have to use all the possible information available to push this project to grow up

              some are already advanced in this technology using the concept behind the E-TBC , since we start to see a lots of strange phenomena ...
              i am here to make sure this device will not be forgotten and try to analyze the problems in it ....
              finally it's up to us ... i am not losing my money here because i am learning a lots, i just can't stop thinking ....

              Best regards.

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              • @ citfta


                please see this document


                http://www.iitk.ac.in/directions/dir...AKH~F~DIR7.pdf




                Edit :

                the process of using such magneto-restriction material in these sonar system is another branch of science, i just focus on the benefit of these elements in our system ! :-)
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                • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
                  Hi Med.

                  Just messing with the thoughts of using the ferite core. Considering the magnetization/de-magnetization of ferite has some propagation time, how this would influence the process? Based on the Tesla's expectation of rapidly switch on-off, I believe it is better to go just with the air core and push it somehow high on speed? Also, by using the ferite core you mus count with the ferromagnetic resonance etc => dirty job There is a some visual picture in my mind -the conical shape of the E-TBC. Will try it later.
                  Also to my scope shot- charging (highest spike) takes some energy, how much is there energy in that ringing afterward? Visually it looks like the area under the charging spike is much smaller than we get from the ringing?

                  Hi John!

                  sorry for missing this post yesterday, yes magnetization/de-magnetization of ferite has some propagation time, but the ferrite itself can resonate in higher speed, i watched some YouTube video about tuning the ferrite and how it respond in a wide variety of frequencies, theoretically it's difficult to calculate these frequencies ( this is what i have found ) because they are related to the total energy and the formation of these magnetic domain inside the ferrite, the dimension play its role also !

                  so we have to measure it practically, the good news is it's possible to drive it in higher speed, i gave my point of view about the benefit of using it inside our E-TBC.

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                  • Thank you

                    Hi med,

                    Thank you for the link to the article about magneto strictive materials. If you look at the information under the picture it clearly says "Tactic Acoustic Littoral Ocean Network" Acoustic means sonar not electromagnetic. The article is all about using the magneto strictive materials as sensors and transducers. So by driving a magneto strictive material it can then send out acoustic pulses. Or by amplifying the signal from a magneto strictive material we can use it as a sensitive acoustic pickup sensor.

                    There is one small mistake in the article. They keep referring to the Navy lab as the Naval Ordinance lab. That is incorrect. It is the Naval Ordnance lab. An ordinance is a law. Ordnance refers to weapons. I know this because I worked at the Naval Ordnance Station Louisville for 13 years until our crooked local politicians got it closed down.

                    Sorry to interrupt your thread. I think you guys are doing some good research. I just wanted to caution you about relying too heavily on anything Don Smith wrote or said.

                    Respectfully,
                    Carroll
                    Just because someone disagrees with you does NOT make them your enemy. We can disagree without attacking someone.

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                    • Guys, it is maybe also the time to speak about some safety. What is gonna happen when the device will start to operate as it should? Don't we need some "Kill"switch to not get electrocuted or blown?

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                      • Originally posted by citfta View Post
                        Hi med,

                        Thank you for the link to the article about magneto strictive materials. If you look at the information under the picture it clearly says "Tactic Acoustic Littoral Ocean Network" Acoustic means sonar not electromagnetic. The article is all about using the magneto strictive materials as sensors and transducers. So by driving a magneto strictive material it can then send out acoustic pulses. Or by amplifying the signal from a magneto strictive material we can use it as a sensitive acoustic pickup sensor.

                        There is one small mistake in the article. They keep referring to the Navy lab as the Naval Ordinance lab. That is incorrect. It is the Naval Ordnance lab. An ordinance is a law. Ordnance refers to weapons. I know this because I worked at the Naval Ordnance Station Louisville for 13 years until our crooked local politicians got it closed down.

                        Sorry to interrupt your thread. I think you guys are doing some good research. I just wanted to caution you about relying too heavily on anything Don Smith wrote or said.

                        Respectfully,
                        Carroll
                        Thanks so much for the valuable information you gave to us, i am not professional in that field , but if i understand it correctly it's the piezoelectric of magnetic-restriction material that cause the phenomena.

                        i agree with you it's better not to relay heavily on Don Smith wrote or said , but here we have to test anything possible... anything may lead to some interesting results...
                        in the resonance energy device magneto-restriction have two purpose, they receive the magnetic flux and after that become the feedback , when adding this to the unique geometry of the E-TBC the oscillation was increased as shown in the previous scope snapshot .

                        in the previous test i used two ferrite bar, one thick but the other was thin, they are used at the same time in one E-TBC as the following drawing :






                        i think it was better to change the location of these two ferrite bars and see the change made to the wave form, but i am sure it's related to the thickness, so thicker
                        bar made higher voltage jump.
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                        • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
                          Guys, it is maybe also the time to speak about some safety. What is gonna happen when the device will start to operate as it should? Don't we need some "Kill"switch to not get electrocuted or blown?
                          For the first time i think it's better to use low voltage value and test over unity possibilities .... after that we have to use only the needed power , around 5KW more than this level will be problematic

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                          • Just to add another important source of information about something similar to the E-TBC, it's by Milan Manchich when he treated Tesla bifilar coil not as coil but as a capacitor.... . some info are in the following link but the PDF document i have is not available in the internet so it's here for download :
                            the bad news is that part 2 isn't available !

                            here you are the link :

                            Singe wire conduction - 06/08/01
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                            • Who does understand Russian , you can find Александр Мишин, who also use the Tesla pancake coils the similar way as we do.

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                              • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
                                Who does understand Russian , you can find Александр Мишин, who also use the Tesla pancake coils the similar way as we do.

                                HI John,

                                can you please give the link , so we could use the translator or something similar, Thank you

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