The Resonance Energy Device Explained

[John.K1]

Hi Guys, I have check the resonance frequency of the E-TBC and it is around 1.95 MHz. To the highest amplitude at 1.908 MHz corresponds highest peak on FFT screen at 1.95MHz....I think this is the value I will consider for further tuning. My LCR meter shows the values: L.... 0.22mH C....11.18nF From which resonant frequency is 0.102 MHz. My value 1.95MHz looks like 19h harmonic (or vice versa ?)

When I was going up with the frequency of my signal generator, the peak at FFT analyse screen was decreasing and around 10MHz started to grow again. Unfortunately my SG is only up to 10MHz. But I assume there shouldn't be problem to use some higher harmonics.

[med.3012]

Hi Guys, I have check the resonance frequency of the E-TBC and it is around 1.95 MHz. To the highest amplitude at 1.908 MHz corresponds highest peak on FFT screen at 1.95MHz....I think this is the value I will consider for further tuning. My LCR meter shows the values: L.... 0.22mH C....11.18nF From which resonant frequency is 0.102 MHz. My value 1.95MHz looks like 19h harmonic (or vice versa ?)

When I was going up with the frequency of my signal generator, the peak at FFT analyse screen was decreasing and around 10MHz started to grow again. Unfortunately my SG is only up to 10MHz. But I assume there shouldn't be problem to use some higher harmonics.

just a point of view :

i think the best way to know the real oscillation frequency value for the E-TBC is when CD are closed, when X point is formed you will be able to watch the real frequency of E-TBC, building Colpitts oscillator isn't difficult , it require a few components but the result will be accurate.

L= 220 uH plus 11.18 will give 101 KHZ in ordinary L/C ; in the E-TBC it will give 202 KHZ, i guess there is a mistake in measuring the inductance because 11 NF is a small capacitor to give 200UH inductance ...

harmonic oscillation is a stray energy because the E-TBC will amplify the power but when you want to collect it you can't do it because the replication point is lost in that harmonic oscillation.

this is just an opinion and i am really happy to see your aspiration

[John.K1]

Not sure what to say. Inductance measured with CD shorted. The values are what I got on LCR meter. I will recheck tomorrow with different meter.

[lotec]

I have tried the small version of the ETBC - around 4-5 turns @ diameter 2cm ,5cm height. I do not see much difference in the frequency . It still shows around 50 KHz. To be honnest I do not think you can get much higher f from the spark plug. Yes, there are some harmonics at higher f too, but the primary frequency determined by SG is only at the range of KHz. I think. Also , when I hoover with small coil and the diode around the ETBC ,the diode lit only in the middle of the ETBC. This makes me think- shouldn't be the L2 coil in the middle of the ETBC? And maybe stack of Tesla's pancake coils?

Hi
Just curious, What frequency does you ZVS operate at independantly of the SG and E-TBC.

Could it be that the ZVS is supplying more power than the design of the SG electrodes can handle in a controllable way.

I was picturing a person striking a gong with a mallet. The gong may resonate at 1.5 KHz but the person may be striking it less than one time a second. If the mallet remains in contact with the gong for too long it can have a dampening effect. (dud hit).

Perhaps with a variable choke on the primary side of the ZVS wound on a snug fitting removable slug with the impedance calculated to an appropriate range of Ohms placed in series with your existing choke and used with an impedance matching capacitor you might have more control and get a good
strike on the E-TBC.

Regards
lotec

[med.3012]

Not sure what to say. Inductance measured with CD shorted. The values are what I got on LCR meter. I will recheck tomorrow with different meter.

Hi John !

as mentioned before it's a point of view, i built a lots of E-TBC and depending the oscillation frequency the inductance will take a relatively small value... it vary from 1 UH ( in higher frequency ) to around 20 UH ( in 1mhz frequency region ).

the following photo show a 220 UH toroid inductor



compare the number of turn plus the core needed to achieve this high inductance value, there is a nice software to calculate the tank circuit parameter available on the following link :

Coil32 - Download

[med.3012]

the following schematic show a good improvement, it was tested without the E-TBC ,only spark gap.

[John.K1]

Lotec: My pure HV driver generate around 48.1 KHz. That is what I was also picking by my multimeter ( R.I.P.).

Med: Ok I correct myself. The inductance is 0.04mH. In my previous measurement I left connected small choke (similar to your picture, just double sided as you suggested in one of your last drawings with HV diode)
I am not sure , but that small choke is still the part of the design and by my mean it should be included in our equation. So, recap of pure E-TBC: L0.04mH C11.17 nF ==> 231.48 KHz .... the wavelength of this frequency is around 1296m considering c=300000Km/s.

Just thinking about something. What about to forget about the inducance and capacitance. The "coil" inside the E-TBC has 2.4m (2x1.2m) Theoretically this is the wavelength (it corresponds to 133MHz) The collector (the coil) of the same length should be theoretically tuned to the same wave length. 2.4 metrs of wire as an collector is not much , but what if we put to our coil many of such 2.4 meters in parallel? Maybe litz? Surface matter, so does the length. Just messing with my mind A bit influenced by Kapanadze, Akula, Ruslan

[med.3012]

@John

the following paragraph from Smith.pdf



the wire length in L1 coil isn't critical , there is a trick in feeding the E-TBC because you are able to feed it through CD when AB are out of the circuit but your primary coil still oscillate in it self resonance frequency , as you see CD connection is just the position of SG! before your SG fire the E-TBC will be charged the same happen to the capacitor in parallel with your ETBC, when the SG fire there is no power in the circuit but it's the oscillation between the toroid inductor and C , the HV diode will push the back EMF back to our E-TBC sustaining firing your SG.

i agree with you the E-TBC have to oscillate alone without the interaction of other component in the circuit that may affect the frequency, so the HV diode will do the job if the E-TBC are fed from CD because now the inductance of E-TBC is out from the circuit .

Good night !

[John.K1]

Today made a different coil. It is bucket coil made of three wires. Each half is 1.2m of wire, the same as the length of the capacitor plate. Theoretically it is in wavelength resonance.
The difference I see with respect to the previous "many turns" coil is of course in the size of the spark. There is not a long spark. Rather thicker very very small. I hoped I will see some amps going on the ground cable. By using a clamp meter I measured NON - that was quiet disappointing. It charge cap in no time to couple hundreds. Still no light. I tried 20W and 120W bulbs.

On the picture my setup. The long yellow thing is 12x UF5408 diodes (= 12KV)

EDIT 1: Some correction. When I check the GRND cable, connected to the central tap, it alternates between 4-10A AC. I need the analog AC meter to check this in right way. The meter is now somewhere on the way.

[med.3012]

@ John

using a few turn in L2 coil will invite a little voltage, the same rule as normal transformer, using a large number turn in L2 make it very difficult to manage the available high voltage ( so you are in the correct path ).

the same here , i am doing some experiments, so the latest news is the importance of Magnetostrictive material , i tried it in L2 coil and it show a great difference compared to no magnetic material, Magnetostriction material will oscillate and become the feedback .

Keep the good work

[genessc]

Thanks for the wavelength details Med.

John, with the setup you had configured below, did you also try adding any HV capacity directly to the spark gap, with one leg of the capacity to either side of the gap? (thats what should "thicken" the arc.)

When I was playing with that it was on a spark plug... so it was already a tight gap and adding about 400pF which was a pair of the plastic disk high voltage cheapy capacitors, that tight discharge would turn into a more robust pulse.

Actually I have that vid on youtube here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7gk-A-sqLQ

Check that out. You should see something similar to that... I would think anyways.

Cheers,
Gene

Just in short, I did that today morning. I have used the backing coil of large diameter from different experiment and it killed my voltmeter ( does anybody know how to fix it , I have three like that )

As you said, it did nice long sparks (4cm) ,they are long but very very slim. Also the radius of radiation was large. The neon bulb on my desk started to glow in the distance 0.4-0.5m. Can imagine how much you can harvest when in resonance. Unfortunately with that setup I couldn't get my incandescent bulbs to lit.

[genessc]

Thats not cold electricity jumping to your finger, thats the ionized outter sheath of the insulation trying to reach for something to cancel out the charge thats present on it. Anything at high voltage produces such a sheath and it becomes more pronounced when something of disparate potential is brought close... like a finger.

I see the same thing on my bellerian apparatus's secondary where it feeds out to my 2.5inch spark gap.

Whats gonna hurt is the capacity at play on that secondary... (or really on the primary since that "leader length" is whats transmitted thru the coils...) larger capacity and that leader length gets Longer per space crossed. Smaller capacity and that leader length shortens up...

I found at about 6nF of capacity, the leader length from the bellerian apparatus secondary jumped to my screwdriver with a plastic handle, THEN jumped thru that 1/2inch plastic handle into me... At this capacity the Same plastic screwdriver insulates my hand fine from the output of the machine.

The difference in capacity on the bellerian apparatus primary is also what directly affects discharge frequency... the 12nF fires less quickly than the 1.6nF... at whatever voltage the spark gap, which is the switch on that setup, is set to breakover at since its fed with HVDC. The 12nF is also a good bit louder of a discharge as a result of the bigger capacities.

If you are going to be discharging nF rated capacities I'd recommend getting the teflon glass type capacitors from russia, as the doorknob type capacitors tend to explode if used in this fashion. I have ruined many of the Green plastic ones, some just punching a pinhole, others blowing the end off one side of the cap totally... before I found these other HV caps which are built for this sort of abuse... seemingly. Heres just a random link to ebay so you can see the TYPE I'm noting.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...rknob&_sacat=0

When I run it with ~1.6nF of driving capacity, the leader length then no longer hurts or forces an arm to go flying... if I make the mistake of getting to close to the secondary...

One thing to do for safety is always ONLY work with ONE hand, never both at the same time on HV systems, until you're sure all charge is bled off... otherwise one of those blunders will put the current thru your chest instead of just ur hand.

Be safe!

Gene

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the next one show how cold electricity jump from insulated wire to my finger:





the important energetic factor is the frequency itself where we achieve energy replication but we have to be careful with collecting system !

[genessc]

If you're going to buy an LCR meter I'd recommend the B&K 879A which can measure at 4 different frequencies so you can see the affects of FREQUENCY on whatever component you're testing with the meter. I have the 878A and it does 120hz and 1khz which is decent, found out they made the 879A after I'd already bought that one...

You have to know the frequency thats being applied to the thing under test to know what the L or C or Impedance (resistance at frequency) is. If you just get an L reading and no idea what frequency the meters measuring at, its pretty useless. (I guess its a rough idea, and its prolly safe to bet that if its built into a dvm then its prolly at 60/50hz depending where you are.) most cheapy dvm's don't list a frequency for the LCR measure tho.

This is the one meter you don't want to skimp on... You'll see that R and R at frequency are two very different things... depending solely on the Frequency... or lack thereof.

Cheers!
Gene

Hi !

my small laboratory isn't equipped with L/C meter, i don't have a signal generator but i am going to use my ne555 variable frequency oscillator with my digital PC oscilloscope to predict the resonance frequency for the matching network

in my part this is the best i can do !

[med.3012]

@ genessc

Thanks fro your advices, cold electricity is one of the most disputable subjects but in the case of E-TBC it was clear that it wasn't normal hot electricity for some reason ...

1- the sensation was limited to my finger only
2- it reveal the wire in perpendicular direction
3- its noise was very small compared to the sparks reveal L2 coil ( Floyd sweet announced this )

but after all it's an opinion only so safety is the most important

[John.K1]

Hi Med. What Magnetostrictive material are you testing? I have some "black sand" - magnetite, at home - I have it ready for different project- but maybe I can cover my L2 wires with that? I have also some 6m of mumetal wire at home. But the diameter of this wire is only 1mm.

Gene: Thanks for link to ebay. I think I will order some HV caps. I surely did try to use the HV cap with the E-TBC (0.1uF microwave cap) - in parallel and in series. Yes it did increase the spark -I guess it was 2-3x larger, but the spark frequency dropped down. Also interesting noise came out of the flyback transformer.