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  • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
    Hi Med. What Magnetostrictive material are you testing? I have some "black sand" - magnetite, at home - I have it ready for different project- but maybe I can cover my L2 wires with that? I have also some 6m of mumetal wire at home. But the diameter of this wire is only 1mm.

    Gene: Thanks for link to ebay. I think I will order some HV caps. I surely did try to use the HV cap with the E-TBC (0.1uF microwave cap) - in parallel and in series. Yes it did increase the spark -I guess it was 2-3x larger, but the spark frequency dropped down. Also interesting noise came out of the flyback transformer.

    Hi John,

    sorry for the late reply, i saw your post in this morning but being busy to reply you , the material i used is galvanized softness no coated wires, it's a kind of ferromagnetic wire , you can test it with permanent magnet, if the magnet attract the wire it will be good, this kind of wire is widely available , but the best place is if we could find conductive foils made by some kind of ferromagnetic material, so we could construct the E-TBC using this kind of material.

    mu metal will be a good choice for the E-TBC, i think you can find it as foils in your place.

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    • Hi Med. I would like to test some pancake coils inside of the E-TBC and also that magnetit (black sand) as it has very good properties similar to met-glass.
      My HV set of diodes said goodbye Also, I am not sure about that ferite toroid with two coils. I can see there some sparks between turns. I will need to make it from well insulated wire.

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      • Sure thing man. That sort of plasma is a high frequency plasma... its usually presents when the field from the coil that its generated by is local and its within its affectation range, if you could pull that wire out farther away from the side of the coil I'd expect the plasma to go invisible... its still there, but nothings interacting with it to cause it to be illumined...

        high frequency AC usually won't hurt you cuz it alternates to quickly for the current to continue going into oneself in either direction... depending on the current leader length... which is determined by the driving capacity... and thats what is causing that plasma on the insulation to manifest.

        Cheers...
        Gene



        Originally posted by med.3012 View Post
        @ genessc

        Thanks fro your advices, cold electricity is one of the most disputable subjects but in the case of E-TBC it was clear that it wasn't normal hot electricity for some reason ...

        1- the sensation was limited to my finger only
        2- it reveal the wire in perpendicular direction
        3- its noise was very small compared to the sparks reveal L2 coil ( Floyd sweet announced this )

        but after all it's an opinion only so safety is the most important

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        • Some good HV diodes I use that seem to be pretty robust are these...

          12 Pcs 2CL2FM 20KV 100mA 100NS High Voltage Diodes Rectifiers USA Fast Shipping | eBay

          Might be useful.

          Gene

          Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
          Hi Med. I would like to test some pancake coils inside of the E-TBC and also that magnetit (black sand) as it has very good properties similar to met-glass.
          My HV set of diodes said goodbye Also, I am not sure about that ferite toroid with two coils. I can see there some sparks between turns. I will need to make it from well insulated wire.

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          • Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
            Hi Med. I would like to test some pancake coils inside of the E-TBC and also that magnetit (black sand) as it has very good properties similar to met-glass.
            My HV set of diodes said goodbye Also, I am not sure about that ferite toroid with two coils. I can see there some sparks between turns. I will need to make it from well insulated wire.
            Hi John,

            The back EMF generated in the inductive toroid is very strong and proportional to the voltage between your SG, more voltage the diode will die very soon , in my case i used microwave HV diode since they are rated for high amperage.

            The toroid inductor have to be ferrite material, i met the same problem when using yellow ( iron ) toroid, but with ferrite all is good

            feel free to test any arrangement since this will let us learn more and more, in my place i am examining the possibility of using the E-TBC in a toroidal arrangement ...

            what i am sure about is we are missing something that don't allow us to extract the power from the E-TBC, i think i am using only the half power from the E-TBC...

            The secret of extracting the power from this device involved in the E-TBC itself !
            it gather the magnetism and electricity in one device , so they both work in the same fashion helping each other ....

            what about this philosophy in a solenoid coil ? using quarter wave length need extreme tuning... just wondering if there is a simple way so it will be worth.

            the following photo show the toroidal arrangement used By Don Smith --- from Donald L Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium ---





            Don Smith proposed by a Japanese professor to take a Nobel prize, But ! most of us know why he didn't take it , he invented something new wasn't known before! all my reverse engineering thinking show it's the E-TBC !!!
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            • Hi John.

              Oh a mot AC cap eh? those are usually 900nF-1uF or so at 2000vac. Thats a little to big and it probably affected the output of the flyback by converting the volts to current at the gap which is why you saw the frequency go down while the discharge power per pulse went up, as evinced by the bigger spark in the gap.

              You know the cheapy little blue disk HV caps that are 100pF - 400pF or so? you prolly want to try a few different sizes on the gap to find one that still gives you a decent frequency and yet improves the spark discharged also.

              In any case you've now seen how to localize current at the spark gap... so thats cool.

              Cheers!
              Gene

              Originally posted by John.K1 View Post
              Hi Med. What Magnetostrictive material are you testing? I have some "black sand" - magnetite, at home - I have it ready for different project- but maybe I can cover my L2 wires with that? I have also some 6m of mumetal wire at home. But the diameter of this wire is only 1mm.

              Gene: Thanks for link to ebay. I think I will order some HV caps. I surely did try to use the HV cap with the E-TBC (0.1uF microwave cap) - in parallel and in series. Yes it did increase the spark -I guess it was 2-3x larger, but the spark frequency dropped down. Also interesting noise came out of the flyback transformer.

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              • Originally posted by genessc View Post
                Sure thing man. That sort of plasma is a high frequency plasma... its usually presents when the field from the coil that its generated by is local and its within its affectation range, if you could pull that wire out farther away from the side of the coil I'd expect the plasma to go invisible... its still there, but nothings interacting with it to cause it to be illumined...

                high frequency AC usually won't hurt you cuz it alternates to quickly for the current to continue going into oneself in either direction... depending on the current leader length... which is determined by the driving capacity... and thats what is causing that plasma on the insulation to manifest.

                Cheers...
                Gene

                I just did two experiments one with a single E-TBC like the following drawing :



                the other with the dual E-TBC show no such things even i used the same high voltage level !!!

                This experiments is very dangerous, i worked with only one hand but i did a mistake and i received a very painful shock .... working with high voltage and higher capacitor maybe lethal !


                the absence of cold electricity in the dual E-TBC explain the work of a single E-TBC, so every E-TBC will cancel out the excitation created in time-space field.
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                Last edited by med.3012; 04-09-2015, 07:18 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Dfortune View Post
                  Maybe this is the answer:Double Cone Bipolar Tesla Coil
                  would be fun to experiment with....
                  There is a guy, whose name I just forgot, and he is more about the UFO and levitation and all this crap. And he shows some pictures and he is pretty sure some UFO sorcerers they have central Tesla type coil of concave shape ,so it focus the energy into some perimeter coil. Interesting idea. Like a parabolic focus. Or maybe vice versa?

                  Anyway, other day of messing with this lethal device, and nothing to share

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                  • Just to add an idea about the importance of Magnetostriction which is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization.

                    when using this kind of material they will oscillate and afterwards become the feedback, this feature is very important in extracting the energy from the resonance induction device, because this device is based on electrons spin mechanism ... the same as the E-TBC when the one dimensional capacitor prove the concept of electrons spin mechanism.

                    the problem we encounter is related to the lack of feedback energy that is responsible for spinning the electrons backward providing either voltage or current according the oscillation state .








                    Edit 1 : will explain later the process gained when using this material and how it affect extracting the power
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                    Last edited by med.3012; 04-11-2015, 05:49 AM.

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                    • Hi everyone !

                      after examining a lots of configurations i think it's the time to think again about the process inside an oscillating E-TBC , as discussed previously the key is still inside this device ...!

                      the cause that make me change the way of thinking is the difference i saw when using no ferromagnetic material in L2 coil , the extraction of power was degraded dramatically , the same happen to standing waves locations, the neon bulb lighten very hard.

                      let's start by examining one scope shoot provided by John.K1



                      the red arrow positions show the high energy level in these positions but suddenly the energy is lost until another spark gap firing .... it's clear this energy is related to the amount of electric power in the capacitive side of the E-TBC, so the first oscillation has a very high energy level compared to the rest of oscillation.

                      the question now is why the E-TBC lost its power very soon ? i think the reply about this question will be the lost key for this device to give what is expected !!

                      the E-TBC form a combined capacitor coil , but like ordinary parallel L/C it's a subject of power degradation if not managed correctly , one of the biggest problem is the lost of energy in spark gap position, even extreme tuning will not overcome this problem ... the following drawing show some details about how electrons behave inside an E-TBC :



                      according the future/past light cone concept the maximum potential in an oscillating E-TBC have to be in points A and B , this is also true regarding the rotation direction of induced electric field which build his elementary voltage starting by 0v ----------v------------2v .

                      in the above drawing we see two special zone where we seek electrons amplification, but we have a problem in that areas since the electrons in the conductor move very fast compared to the attracted ambient electrons, this situation explain the above scope shoot where we have only one special time where energy has a very high level ....

                      for better accessing the energy amplification provided in the E-TBC we need some kind of feedback... this is clear because when the magnetic field collapse and start charging the E-TBC with opposite sign only the magnetic portion is responsible for charging the combined capacitor coil,




                      when using a magneto restriction material as the above drawing, the back EMF gained when the magnetic domain return to its original state will induce a high voltage level sustaining the amplification process .


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                      • More info :

                        the number of turns has an importance of the overall energy, the ratio is unknown but i think i will follow Don Smith when he gave 1/5 as ratio.

                        what is the best arrangement ? using ferrite core or air core ? air core is the best choice but still we have to choose the best material for this application.

                        the next experiment i will try is using ferrite bar inside an oscillation E-TBC, for the first time i think i will try Colpitts circuit .

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                        • Hello!

                          I just finished testing cored E-TBC with ferrite bar using Colpitts oscillator, what i can say is finally i have found something promising, the oscillator was fed using (as previously ) a 12v battery , the same schematic also, some strange effects was happen.

                          without the ferrite bar the frequency was 3.2 MHZ after inserting the ferrite bar inside the E-TBC the frequency drop but the oscillation amplitude increased to more than 20V even the source battery was only 12v !
                          without the ferrite bar the oscillating transistor run hot but after inserting the bar it run cold even the voltage was increased ....

                          i hope someone else will try the same and tell us about his experiment ...

                          the following photo show the oscillation when the ferrite bar was inside it's clear the voltage oscillation was increased.

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                          • some clarifications


                            the Colpitts oscillator use L/C tank circuit to maintain its oscillation, upon oscillation the output voltage may exceed the source, in this case the collector current have to increase which cause more heat dissipation, in the previous test the voltage increased but the heat dissipation decreased which lead me to think there is some kind of amplification ....

                            in other hand the waves form was strange , a special pattern was built indicating an increased oscillation power, it look like Donald L Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium photos .... i just put the two photos together so we could notice something .

                            sorry for the low quality




                            Edit

                            the first from Don smith , the second is Colpitts oscillation output using a ferrite cored E-TBC
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                            Last edited by med.3012; 04-14-2015, 11:38 PM.

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                            • Hi Guys, just back from my holiday. Tomorrow will start to take a look at it a bit. Any news here? Suggestions?

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                              • Hi Med.

                                Just messing with the thoughts of using the ferite core. Considering the magnetization/de-magnetization of ferite has some propagation time, how this would influence the process? Based on the Tesla's expectation of rapidly switch on-off, I believe it is better to go just with the air core and push it somehow high on speed? Also, by using the ferite core you mus count with the ferromagnetic resonance etc => dirty job There is a some visual picture in my mind -the conical shape of the E-TBC. Will try it later.
                                Also to my scope shot- charging (highest spike) takes some energy, how much is there energy in that ringing afterward? Visually it looks like the area under the charging spike is much smaller than we get from the ringing?

                                Last edited by John.K1; 04-19-2015, 09:33 AM.

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