Gerard Morin Energy

[BroMikey]

Part3

Though several hours drive time in a gas guzzler pickup truck this extra expense of fuel is well worth it to us. We have the money for the Genset and now we have the extra for fuel to pick it up within the state.

I want to thank each of you for your participation in the experiment.

Someone could give the whole $500 and we will display the amounts available with the costs of parts and materials. No one here is getting the money for their own pockets.

Each of our team has spend money like water running over the bridge so we are glad to have the extra from those who may not be able to directly make the tests themselves.

But you are making this possible and we want to express our gratitude.

[BroMikey]

Testing pole Pigs

Powering pole pigs with a small battery and inverter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAhQxwwXgxM

[Hitby13kw]

Hmmmm…. Can you say inconsistency . . . future testing will tell.

Interesting to note that in Gerard’s video “The Doubt about OverUnity is Over “ he was feeding power out of the McCulloch Generator into the Bigger 50Kva transformer and putting his load on the Smaller 25Kva can, but then In this video “Gerard Morin apple transformer 1” he is doing the reverse, power from the inverter into the smaller 25Kva can and then making his final voltage test on the larger 50Kva transformer.

When I talked with Gerard he repeatedly expressed the importance of feeding the Bigger transformer and putting your load on the smaller.

We will try it both ways in future testing.

Hitby13kw

[BroMikey]

Interesting to note that in Gerard’s video “The Doubt about OverUnity is Over “ he was feeding power out of the McCulloch Generator into the Bigger 50Kva transformer and putting his load on the Smaller 25Kva can, but then In this video “Gerard Morin apple transformer 1” he is doing the reverse, power from the inverter into the smaller 25Kva can and then making his final voltage test on the larger 50Kva transformer.

When I talked with Gerard he repeatedly expressed the importance of feeding the Bigger transformer and putting your load on the smaller.

We will try it both ways in future testing.

Hitby13kw

Yes try til ya can't try it no moe

Here is one guy using caps in Gerads tiny step up energy amp circuit.

[ldrancer]

i want to post this guys question, off of the youtube, and this is what i was thinking. and can someone clarify if or not if .. on this.

So, you've effectively proved that a step down transformer can convert Voltage into Current. This has been proven for a long time. If we measured the output voltage on the circuit we would see a drop in the output voltage of the circuit. I'm unsure of what the real ratio is because we have no idea what the number of turns really is.

A note on the IR thermometer... This device is designed to read Temperature it does this by reading the emited blackbody radiation (Fancy way of saying ambient heat that is emited from any object above 0 degrees kelvin) showing us an electrical circuit gets hot because power is going through it is like showing me a toaster gets hot when its plugged it and turned on.

The Amperage at the transformer input is obviously going to be lower than the output, again this is the primary function of the step down transformer. What is of critical importance is to know what the output Voltage is.

You ask us to prove you wrong, but you fail to make all the necessary measurements to prove your theory entirely. The instrument to prove exatly what is happening was right in your hand the entire time. Take a measurement of the output voltage, where your plugging in the heater and the saw.


ok that was it. it was off i dont want to put the guys name but he puts it on youtube. hreres the link to eh video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYkd-CVrX8E

is .. this, what where needing to find out? is there something different?

[MagnaMoRo]

I will address some of this.

So, you've effectively proved that a step down transformer can convert Voltage into Current. This has been proven for a long time.

Not quite.
Both step-down and step-up transformers utilize "moving" magnetic fields to generate current. Voltage alone does not do that job. This is why as Gerard
said. "You have to have a prime mover".

Gerard Morins' other videos utilize a water-pump motor that has coils with an iron core in a U-shape that allows the coil(s) to be bathed in more of this moving magnetic field than a strait tubular coil. This greatly increases the output efficiency.

These pole pig transformers also have similarly designed split core coils.

If we measured the output voltage on the circuit we would see a drop in the output voltage of the circuit. I'm unsure of what the real ratio is because we have no idea what the number of turns really is.

It is important to understand the full process of what is happening.
In this video, Gerard is (in one pole pig) taking Electrical energy, stepping-up the voltage and converting it into "Electromagnetic radiation"(EMR) at a frequency determined by the generator.
This TYPE of radiation will travel down the single wire between the two transformers and is (in the second step-down transformer) re-converting Electromagnetic radiation back into electrical energy and stepping that down to a usable voltage.

There is a deference between electromagnetic radiation and simple electricity.
Understanding this full process is likely the key.

A note on the IR thermometer... This device is designed to read Temperature it does this by reading the emited blackbody radiation (Fancy way of saying ambient heat that is emited from any object above 0 degrees kelvin) showing us an electrical circuit gets hot because power is going through it is like showing me a toaster gets hot when its plugged it and turned on.

The IR thermometer as with any electronic equipment will be adversely affected when in close proximity to sufficient levels of EMR.

The Amperage at the transformer input is obviously going to be lower than the output, again this is the primary function of the step down transformer. What is of critical importance is to know what the output Voltage is.

The level and frequency of EMR input to the second pole pig will determine it's output.

You ask us to prove you wrong, but you fail to make all the necessary measurements to prove your theory entirely. The instrument to prove exatly what is happening was right in your hand the entire time. Take a measurement of the output voltage, where your plugging in the heater and the saw.

There should be an electrical watt meter before the input to the first transformer and before the input to the load after the second transformer.

[BroMikey]

i want to post this guys question, off of the youtube........................................... ..........


You ask us to prove you wrong, but you fail to make all the necessary measurements .............

Take a measurement of the output voltage, where your plugging in the heater and the saw.

Hello ldrancer

MagnaMoRo has given a much more complex review of scientific reasoning than I will at this time. Great answer. A discussion on watching temp drops during increased loads is in order.

Let me say this about measuring with meters and wondering if the device is really getting max power. We see Gerard has three, 1500 watt oil heaters and one chopsaw.

WHY??

WHY NOT 4 heaters?? WHY? Gerard had to be sure himself.

Answer:

With 4 heaters there would be no loud noise or any mechanical action making the viewer wonder if the output was supplying full power. But Gerard used 3 resistive loads and one inductive load so the sound of the screaming saw could blow our ear drums making the viewer sure that this is not a trick.

When the meter is placed across the load it may read 10volts or 20 volts.

So we see meters don't work. That screaming chop saw sends me through the roof and when i hear it, I know. I know what a chopsaw sounds like. I have used one for years. You can't variac a chopsaw down to 90-100 volts without making a cut impossible.

To cut with a chopsaw it must be getting 120vac and clearly Gerards chopsaw worked well, yet the meters give readings that are unstable.

We have been taught electricity using meters that only measure current and voltage being wasted by burning it all up. Recycled energy and other forms can not be measured by meters. We have been mislead.

But what did it for me was Gerard's chopsaw. His chopsaw shows that not only is the Saw getting the full voltage and thus the full current but also the heaters. Just plain common sense.

gerard is just a common sense guy and his approach is turning out to be a great experiment.

Mikey PS great questions

[Hitby13kw]

Obtained a McCulloch Generator to continue the Gerard Morin replication.

@team - Thank you Thank you

Made it back home in one piece after our trip to retrieve the generator,

note its external ratings show 319cc this translates to 8hp - Quick video

if we use the conversion of 1 hp = 745.699872 watts - then 8 hp should be at best 5965.598976 watts - if we were 100% efficient in or conversion.

So with a nameplate rating of 3300 watts, the generator should be able to maintain that for its working life with no problem. Just some data points to remember as we do further testing.

We will commence with the clean/rebuild task tomorrow.

Hitby13kw

[BroMikey]

Beauty Like Paint

That is so nice looking Hitby

It looks so much better than any others I have ever seen. Pull the air cleaner put 1 once of gas close the top and pull and you will know if the spark is right because it will run for a split second. Better get some oil in it first, I think he drained it?

Well I don't want to rush you. You are really fast at getting the setup all in place. Looks like we might be first to replicate this.

Saaawheat Deal!!!!Thats the best $250 we ever spent so far

@team - Thank you Thank you

Made it back home in one piece after our trip to retrieve the generator,

note its external ratings show 319cc this translates to 8hp - Quick video

if we use the conversion of 1 hp = 745.699872 watts - then 8 hp should be at best 5965.598976 watts - if we were 100% efficient in or conversion.

So with a nameplate rating of 3300 watts, the generator should be able to maintain that for its working life with no problem. Just some data points to remember as we do further testing.

We will commence with the clean/rebuild task tomorrow.

Hitby13kw

[BroMikey]

Gut Feeling

Just gotta trust people sometimes

Yes you are right I should have stuck with Travis right from the start. We trusted Travis for a decent unit and got it.

It is really new looking. I had to apologize to Travis for turning his unit down in favor of another Genset like it, that turned out to be impossible to have shipped.

Our Military men are being squeezed financially and I should have not let him down at the start. But everything worked out so nice. He had originally asked $125 and was ready to sell it for that but in light of the road time I told him I would sweeten the pot to $200 and he was thrilled to get the extra.

I just hate getting a bad deal, so I want to be on top of it.

Mikey

[mscoffman]

One really should not use the raw senses to quantify energy output.
Yes, the chopsaw can really wail as the brush type motor
causes the saw blade to vibrate acoustically. But as with all motors
if the motor is not loaded, depending on the Q of the motor,
no particular lower energy level is being used. If it is unloaded,
the nameplate wattage draw is meaningless. The wattage on the
nameplate is either the starting-up wattage or it is the locked rotor
wattage. In other words for that saw to be using energy it must be
cutting wood. It's important for beginners to realize that. It is good
that the motor starts up, but after that it is nothing and should
not be included in load calculations. (it's rather physically dangerous also).
What we want is raw resistance heating wattage - don't worry;
that energy will start and run motors too. So it seems as if Morin is
intent on mis-educating beginners. The other thing is that OU seems
to like overload, high current draw is where we expect to see
the most energy gain.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[BroMikey]

In other words for that saw to be using energy it must be
cutting wood. It's important for beginners to realize that.
:S:MarkSCoffman

@Mark

You are incorrect once again about your assumptions. This is due to the fact that you have never had a chopsaw or used one. Don't lecture me about misleading everyone.

It has become increasingly clear that you are only here to see where we missed it. On the other hand using a chopsaw that uses starter motor designs make sounds that I am use to.

I have used chopsaws outside on a generator doing construction work for years and know what they sound like. I can understand your fear that it just can't be real.

Sit back and enjoy the ride Sir. I have looked around the web at your posts.
It is clear you are book smart but even basic transformer connection diagrams are beyond many electronX guys. Flip flops and endless 0,1,0,0,1 communication skills are another field that is needed.

What has been misleading to this group so far, is you, as you claimed you wanted a better genset, so we went with a more expensive one we found because you felt better about paying for it, then when we had it all set up to buy it, you bailed out.

Your reply was that you didn't like this HIYBYkw13 guy because he pretty much slapped your face in a post. So you don't like HitBy? And you don't like the Genset and you don't like me misleading the group?

Now will there be anything else?

It has become clear to me and HiyBY that you are here to disrupt. We don't need your money or your expertise. And especially we don't need you keeping us from good deals because you want to puppet the purchases.

You have attacked Hitby and I want you gone. I am not interested in your arm chair commands that are only the result of years of telling people to jump and telling them how high.

I set up the deal with people on the other end, waiting for payment, with you never even answering my posts for weeks. Then you come back with something totally disconnected. The guy on the other end was holding the generator for days and you did not respond. You are untrustworthy, manipulative and evasive.

Most of us saw it right away, we just wanted to be kind to you hoping you might straighten up and become a player. You claimed you had thousands available to fund our project, yet you have not given a dime to help us. When it comes time to pay, you don't answer.

Go away before I really get uptight.

If you want to lie in our face and attack our members behind our backs, remember that I will find you. I had seen how you treated one lady who is a super inventor.

I know who you are and have known Mark, so don't push me.


@Everyone
Now going back to the Chopsaw. When using a saw of this type on job sites with a generator the sound will be very sluggish if the generator is not running at full speed.

There is a definite, certain sound, that a chopsaw gives when it has the full load voltage and with 3 oil heater running at 1500 watts each already for a 4500 watt load, if the voltage was low the saw would be sick sounding.

This was not the case. Those motors with brushes demand a lot of power on startup and if the voltage is low they will bog down terrible. You can hear that.

This field of research is for the common sense people, book smarts with math will not get the job done. For over 100 years the book smart community had been paid to "SAY it won't work"

That is not going to happen here. I understand people have weaknesses and hang ups, but if they come here and push me I will uncover them.

It is the best thing for them also. We all have our sphere of work and I respect that, please do the same for others here on this list, is all I ask.

We will not be misdirected again by people who just want to talk.

May the Lord Bless each of you.

Mikey

[BroMikey]

Cold Radiation

I recommend everyone watch this video again.

gerard is talking about cold radiation and how the amp clamp reads 0 or it reads 1.07 or some other crazy number. This is because we are using one form of cold radiation that gets into all of the wires, oil, metal can LIKE AS GAS.

This is very important to repeat to yourselves. "LIKE A GAS" remember that. Gerard says that the genset and cans are not powering the load with amps.

Also that light bulbs run on this form of energy will never burn out again because they run on cold radiation.

By the way the chopsaw went up and down with the load but it sounds like it is going to explode running to fast all by itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY

[Turion]

Data

The videos of Gerard do not provide us with enough raw data to make an informed analysis of what he has shown us. We don't see input vs output, and he has yet to show us this in any subsequent videos. So we do NOT know if this is for real. That was the entire purpose of putting together the equipment necessary to do a replication...so we can get our OWN data. We have no data as to how many watts the heaters actually USED, and we have no data on how many watts the saw used during the time they were running vs the watts output by the generator during the same length of time. Time spent speculating about whether this setup is for real or not is wasted time. Let's not argue when we really don't know WHAT we are arguing about. None of us were there, and none of us had meters on the equipment. We should have the answers shortly, since we have someone who can do the tests that are necessary to determine the truth. And regardless of whether the news is GOOD or BAD, this is scientific exploration, and it may help us make determinations about which direction to go with our research. I am not defending Gerard at this point, nor am I going to say he is a fraud. I do not have the data to support EITHER position and neither do any of the folks on this forum. I base my opinions on FACTS and facts are sadly lacking in the information we currently have. That is why I support the folks here trying to REPLICATE and why I will replicate myself.

Here's hoping we have success on the replications.

Dave

[BroMikey]

Experimenters Dream

Hey Turion

I think we have a lot of work to do to prove any of this stuff. Data? Yes I agree. How? Gerard put meters right on the cans and it shows 1 volt.

Gerard tells you meters don't work. Gerard tells us that it is not hot amps.
(Bare with me a minute Turion I know you have heard all of this a zillion times

Gerard say no math will explain this. (Broken English) Cold radiation do the work

Okay we all hear Gerard say in his broken English many good things, but Gerard has no data in the conventional sense. In other words we can't go to Yale university or Harvard and get a second opinion that will confirm Gerard's simple Simon viewpoint.

How many of us has looked at our low voltage radiant energy projects wondering how to measure the Radiant? We can't, not even at 12-24vdc input. We measure the amps on the input we find it hard to calculate how much is coming back into the battery so we are not sure. Then the high voltage radiant measurement is out of the question. All this at 12vdc.

At 120vac we get a cold radiation of 14,000 volts that we can not measure.

No meter can measure this so we have no data points to enter into our abacus. The amp clamp reads 1v on the low side because radiant from the high side is creeping all around the system.

Data points data points, what data points? I hear we need to measure amps for data points. Do we believe the man or not. Am I going mad or did I just hear Gerard say that meters don't work so your data points are worthless?

What data point? I would love to have some, please tell me how to get some. The only way I thought of was to hard wire an amp meter into the line coming out of the generator and Gerard must have done something like that because he claims the genset was consuming 2800watts.

But on the output "can" no reading is possible, this is why you have to replicate. We want to prove this to ourselves. I reserve the right to argue this point. No measurement on the output will read on the meter so devices are used to get an idea.

I have played with my chopsaw on a variac and a genset. You get almost nothing from it at 90vac so I know Gerard is on the level, not a liar. Gerard is an old man, gonna meet his maker one foot on a banana peel and the other in the grave as the old saying goes. So Gerard has nothing to gain by misdirecting the public.

What makes me smokin mad is people who only critize others before they try it, I would even defend you Turion if someone did that to you

I hate back stabbing people who want to showboat at the expense of others. I will not entertain a down cast attitude, I will not allow myself.

Gerard is right, do the replication and stop using the old math and meters to prove to everyone that free energy is here.

Turion you are an inventor that knows that cold radiation will power a load and have helped me to get this replication under way because you know it has merit.

Now back to the heaters. Back to the saw, put your computer, calculator, meters on the shelf. Get your devices out and plug them into YOUR replication. Now thats the way Gerard has explained his experiment.

Data points and meters are out. I mean we could put our hands on the heaters and say "Hey that sure feels hot" and compare it with they way it feels on hot electricity right? Then all of the university level cone heads will come out of the wood work like zombies to eat all of our heads off, letting us know we are fools, right?

I don't care.

Here is the way I look at it, it is a form of energy we are unaccustomed to and need time to use it powering loads and in this way we will find out first hand if it is OU. No data point will prove this.

This is why my last post I told everyone to go back and watch Gerard again talk about the data points and meters not reading. It's like we are so bent on the only way we know how to read a meter conventionally when someone says meter don't work we call them liars, under our breath.

We wouldn't say that they were wrong out loud

It is like we are in disbelief that meters don't work and data points can not be gathered. Many people look at Gerard as if he is not very smart so he must be wrong about the data points.

Data points are gathered in the system we have been taught by our schools by reading meters and are totally and completely brainwashed by our Government. Hidden in plain sight, right under our noses is the radiant.

This in my view and does not reflect the views of other, just me piece of work for today. Please if you can show me how to collect data points without accurate meter readings let me know.

And one more thing, I don't entertain failure so when people come around and attack my friends and buddies they will be in for more than they bargained for. I learned along time ago that words will destroy or can be used to build, use them to build or suffer the consequences.

And I won't apologize either, I am that way and can't help the way I am. I don't mean to hurt anyone but i won't stand idly by while serious damage is being done with words.

You are a peace maker Turion and I always enjoy your presence. I know it is not an easy fight dealing with people and is why so many will never come onto these threads.

We will be reporting our findings when the time comes.

Hitby has load boxes, chopsaw, you name it. Our genset has a 20 amps fuse in it and is rated for 3300 watts. This is a max of 27 amps so 20 amp fuses are used. We talked about getting data points but have only come up with a few options such as the fuse limit. If the fuse goes we know we are over 2400 watts. If we install meters everywhere would that throw off the operation with this type of energy.

This is a bipolar genset with big magnet rotors so we don't want to change things just yet. Bedini has stressed this many times that amp meters can throw off your system depending on the kind of circulating energies.

This is not Hiyby's first day. He has other energy producing inventions that he might release one of these days. I have a high voltage meter in the 20,000kv range from the 1950's but I wouldn't trust it to be right.

Back to the heaters, I will say it again. I went back and watched the video all over again. The switch is thrown and the chopsaw starts right up then the heaters one by one are switched on, then off one by one while the saw is still running.

No meters to measure just devices okay? Can everyone understand what I am saying? The devices are the meter. Did you get that? The devices are what we have to get a relative idea what cold radiation can do at these extreme power levels.

The saw sounded normal at startup but after the heaters were switched back off again, it sounded like it was screeming so loud that it might bust.

That was an over voltage condition. I have used these saws for years, I welded in shops for years, I cut with saws. I can tell you what my gut data is telling me for those years of working a saw for cutting steel.

That saw was being abused at the end just before Gerard shut it all off.

That is why I have been saying "When I hear the chopSaw "I KNOW""

That is what I meant. I know that the saw was getting plenty of juice.

So then were the heaters also. Just good common sense data points

Thanks for listening to my rant Turion. I am watching your back dude.

mikey

The videos of Gerard do not provide us with enough raw data to make an informed analysis of what he has shown us. We don't see input vs output, and he has yet to show us this in any subsequent videos. So we do NOT know if this is for real. That was the entire purpose of putting together the equipment necessary to do a replication...so we can get our OWN data. We have no data as to how many watts the heaters actually USED, and we have no data on how many watts the saw used during the time they were running vs the watts output by the generator during the same length of time. Time spent speculating about whether this setup is for real or not is wasted time. Let's not argue when we really don't know WHAT we are arguing about. None of us were there, and none of us had meters on the equipment. We should have the answers shortly, since we have someone who can do the tests that are necessary to determine the truth. And regardless of whether the news is GOOD or BAD, this is scientific exploration, and it may help us make determinations about which direction to go with our research. I am not defending Gerard at this point, nor am I going to say he is a fraud. I do not have the data to support EITHER position and neither do any of the folks on this forum. I base my opinions on FACTS and facts are sadly lacking in the information we currently have. That is why I support the folks here trying to REPLICATE and why I will replicate myself.

Here's hoping we have success on the replications.

Dave