Gerard Morin Energy

[BroMikey]

Hello Hitby

I didn't know if you had a good unit or not. I see the other one up there for $100 and it has a probe.

Does 100:1 mean for every volt 100 volts the meter shows 1 volt? Some of this older equipment is hard to find data on. In generally I guess it is a resistor network with digital display.

But i never saw this stuff before today. 0-+or- 700v I think is the fine setting and 0-+or- 1400v is the coarse setting. I just don't really know how high the scale goes. I can't believe it only goes to 1400volts.

Still looking for information on electrostatic High Voltage Meters.

Trek Esvm Electrostatic Voltmeter w Probe 450PBAS Model 560A | eBay

[genessc]

@ hitby, I built two of the morin setups, each with a different drive motor and posted the vids with amp and volt measurements on youtube under user "coruscant l'amore". Have a look and let me know if you see any oddities. One was 50% efficient (the one using higher DC volts on the drive motor) and the other was ~80% efficient using a 12vdc drive motor.

Will be curious to see your pole pig setup on vid.

Cheers!
Gene

@Asgardian Thanks for joining in the fun. Big surprise with the McCulloch Genset waveform video.

@Genessc – Congratulations on hitting 100 posts, like you, I haven’t said much in the past but with this project I felt we could do Gerard’s experiments and show both Voltage and current. Stay tuned.

@Turion - Looking forward to seeing results when your replication gets online. (and if they jive) Thanks again for your support helping to get us the McCulloch.

This was a surprise, but that is actually one of the biggest pleasures in research, when the unexpected happens. We were thinking that we would have a nice clean sinusoidal waveform, but in fact we have a sort of square wave with rounded corners.

In this video we start with a quick display of the scope showing voltage and current from the wall into a 100 Watt load. Then we show the generator running, power going through a big cord driving the same load and the waveform produced. Looking forward to everyones thoughts and input,

Plan to power the Big Pole transformers next.

Hitby13kw

[wantomake]

basic test

Hello to All,
Just got a washer pump motor and coupled it to a my1016 motor.

Got the rpm to 4600 and only topped out at 51 volts ac. It will light a small 40 watt bulb to half brightness. This is with the bulb connected to the pump no step up or down.

It looks to be same as Gerard was using.

Am I missing something? Will review the vids again. This is elementary to most of you I know, but I want start small in order to learn and be a part of this.

Any advice is welcomed.

Thanks,
wantomake

[genessc]

I use a emf-100 meter from tri-field for local electric/magnetic/rf field measure... trifield.com is the site. They have a nice selection of Usable meters that should help people make sense of what they are looking at.

Gene

Electrostatic energy displays all of the same characteristics as high voltage. The pole pigs produce this phenomena, watch how it acts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIQ8M44kXlQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qh5BmMTSoCg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p10OUADRr2M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAHNASTb9J8

[genessc]

What input watts to get the rpm to 4600rpm? (which is about 1/3rd higher than its rated operating RPM at 3600rpm.)

The 40watt lamp is 120v rated at 60hz? If so take the 40watt and divide 120 into it to get the rough Current value that would be crossing the lamp if the applied voltage was 120vac. This gets you an AMP value for the 40watt bulb.

Then you put the DVM on AC and measure that 51vac over the lamp and you multiply that times the Current value that you noted, which assuming the values I noted are the same for you is .333amps or about 1/3rd of an amp.

Now 51vac times .333 gives you the rough output WATTS for your "context" aka your setup. Thats a whopping 17watts output using the presumed values above. If the input is anything more than 17watts, its Underunity.

How Much underunity depends on how much more input is noted to be.

Hope you can apply that info.
Cheers.
Gene

Hello to All,
Just got a washer pump motor and coupled it to a my1016 motor.

Got the rpm to 4600 and only topped out at 51 volts ac. It will light a small 40 watt bulb to half brightness. This is with the bulb connected to the pump no step up or down.

It looks to be same as Gerard was using.

Am I missing something? Will review the vids again. This is elementary to most of you I know, but I want start small in order to learn and be a part of this.

Any advice is welcomed.

Thanks,
wantomake

[wantomake]

amps

Thanks Gene,
Just checked with my fluke meter;
30 vdc batttery source
Motor pulling amps= 1.060 amp
120v 40 watt bulb = 0.20 amps ac.
Pump output = 50 volts ac. Without load.
23 volts with load.

Don't know the OU or underunity formulas , but this is the readings I just got.

Thanks,
wantomake

[genessc]

Cool, so you want to make both input and output just watts so we can do the Coefficient of performance comparison.

So input at 30vdc * 1.06amps is 31.8watts INPUT.

Then 40w/120v=.333amps, and take that times 50vac, so .333A*50vac=16.667Watts OUTPUT.

Now that you have watts its a ratio like this: output16.667 / input31.8

= .52 (and change) but this shows you that your system with that load is currently 52% efficient. WAY WAY WAY underunity.

Cheers,
Gene

Thanks Gene,
Just checked with my fluke meter;
30 vdc batttery source
Motor pulling amps= 1.060 amp
120v 40 watt bulb = 0.20 amps ac.
Pump output = 50 volts ac.

Don't know the OU or underunity formulas , but this is the readings I just got.

Thanks,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

High Voltage Transformer build

Here is an interesting HV transformer build for kicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8kBVEE1Rh0


@Wantomake

See Gerard's video where he added external magnets on each side of the pump core material. Gerard does not give us many of his discoveries so we must learn as we go. No one knows the input or the output of his experiments.

Gerard told everyone that he didn't want people trying this if they couldn't even change a flat tire "Adda-Boy Gerard talk tough"

In other words Gerard is saying to all of us to go do the work yourselves and stop bugging him if people are not going to explore. I am speaking from Gerards video and does not point out anyone specific.

I asked the same questions "How much current"? "How much in and out"? but Gerard only gives us hints and then tells us all to back off.

That is Gerard for ya, he is a tough dude.

I saw someone else get 120vdc from these pumps but I think he had powerful magnets placed 1 on each side of the pump.

This will increase the drag on the generator field calling for more amps from the cordless batteries to get the voltage.

This is my guess. It seems that no one on this thread knows what the average current draw is normally on one of these 24vdc motors, so we don't even know where to start.

Guessing I would say normally maybe 4-5 amps but that is a guess only.

Unless we have something to go on we are forced to do the tests ourselves.

Do you have an average amp reading for loaded and non-Loaded operation?

I think maybe the RPM will drop to 4000 when you add the extra NEO's.

Also there are a variety of power levels associated with these magnet pump motors. I have some that are really fine wire 27awg and others are 20-22 awg so that is very significant.

Also in the Gerard Video he shows a very long cylindrical magnetic rotor from out of one of his pumps. It is not a short drum it is quite long which shows me it is a larger unit than a dish washer pump is.

For those using a dish washer pump, I would say to use a cordless drill motor and pack which is a better sizing. However like you pointed out maybe only 50volts will appear.

This is only conjecture so feel free to correct me since I have never done the test.

Mikey

[genessc]

If by "tough" you mean lazy ... haha Come on, the guy won't even step up to getting BASIC DETAILS, how is he gonna be able to quantify Overunity when he can't do the simple math that paints the picture clear as day?

If you drive the pump motor at twice its rated RPM aka 7200rpm, you should get DOUBLE the sinewave that would be present at 3600rpm, which would on a 120volt AC rated motor be a 120volt AC sinewave at 3600rpm, and at 7200rpm it would be about 240vac. This however on my bench is not what shows up at 7200rpm... Open output, on the scope the volt sine is closer to 400volts up/down... once it gets connected to a load the volts all convert to amps and you get a max amp flow usually with not enough volts still present to keep the volts up at the rated voltage of the load.

Also hes putting magnets on the DRIVE MOTOR, NOT the DRAIN pump, or I've not seen THAT video as yet. Can you link me if hes actually putting it on the drain pump now?

The magnet morin shows is precisely the drain pump motor magnet which is a ceramic 2 pole magnet radially magnetized. I know cuz I took it out of my drain pump motors as well. I even pulled the laminates out of one of the drain pumps but then the drain pumps generating performance went to crap. Barely got 40vac sine at 7200rpm without the laminates there to conduct the magnetic field properly.

Lastly Mikey, you noted different wire guage on the drain pumps you have, most likely one is 240v 50hz rated and the other is 120v 60hz rated... the higher voltage drain pump would have the smaller guage wire on it...

Cheers!
Gene

Here is an interesting HV transformer build for kicks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8kBVEE1Rh0


@Wantomake

See Gerard's video where he added external magnets on each side of the pump core material. Gerard does not give us many of his discoveries so we must learn as we go. No one knows the input or the output of his experiments.

Gerard told everyone that he didn't want people trying this if they couldn't even change a flat tire "Adda-Boy Gerard talk tough"

In other words Gerard is saying to all of us to go do the work yourselves and stop bugging him if people are not going to explore. I am speaking from Gerards video and does not point out anyone specific.

I asked the same questions "How much current"? "How much in and out"? but Gerard only gives us hints and then tells us all to back off.

That is Gerard for ya, he is a tough dude.

I saw someone else get 120vdc from these pumps but I think he had powerful magnets placed 1 on each side of the pump.

This will increase the drag on the generator field calling for more amps from the cordless batteries to get the voltage.

This is my guess. It seems that no one on this thread knows what the average current draw is normally on one of these 24vdc motors, so we don't even know where to start.

Guessing I would say normally maybe 4-5 amps but that is a guess only.

Unless we have something to go on we are forced to do the tests ourselves.

Do you have an average amp reading for loaded and non-Loaded operation?

I think maybe the RPM will drop to 4000 when you add the extra NEO's.

Also there are a variety of power levels associated with these magnet pump motors. I have some that are really fine wire 27awg and others are 20-22 awg so the is very significant.

Also in the Gerard Video he shows a very long cylindrical magnetic rotor for out of one of his pumps. It is not a short drum it is quite long which shows me it is a larger unit than a dish washer pump is.

For those using a dish washer pump, I would say to use a cordless drill motor and pack which is a better sizing. However like you pointed out maybe only 50volts will appear.

This is only conjecture so feel free to correct me since I have never done the test.

Mikey

[wantomake]

More mods?

So that means I have the wrong pump or there is a modification Gerard did that I missed. I only get 1/3 the output he got on his last video which was 148 volts ac.

Thanks,
wantomake
Edit: @Mikey, thanks didn't see your post. @ Gene, Did I just get insulted?

[BroMikey]

So that means I have the wrong pump or there is a modification Gerard did that I missed. I only get 1/3 the output he got on his last video which was 148 volts ac.

Thanks,
wantomake

Sorry Wantomake Gene is right I should have said to put the magnets on the drive core material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBHAP4AOWtk

[genessc]

Can you link to the vid showing 148vac output? I suspect he was showing you that voltage with the drain pump motor as generator UNLOADED.

Versus.

You have loaded the output and thus what voltage is present is trying to convert to Amps THRU the load. This is why your volts MEASURED is 50vac.

Remove the Lamp load and leave the output wires open circuit and then put your DVM over the two wires coming out of the pump while its going at speed. This will be the Open Circuit Voltage, meaning the volt sine being seen is the VOLTAGE ONLY output with NO AMPS as theres no closed circuit to allow the volts present to convert to amps.

Volts and amps are a sliding scale. Depending on how much the volts can convert to current thru whatever load determines how well the load gets driven.

Cheers,
Gene

So that means I have the wrong pump or there is a modification Gerard did that I missed. I only get 1/3 the output he got on his last video which was 148 volts ac.

Thanks,
wantomake

[wantomake]

Gene,
Yes that's exactly how I did it. Tested with no load attached. I'm referring to the Christopher Sparkman video.

Thanks again,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Also hes putting magnets on the DRIVE MOTOR, NOT the DRAIN pump, or I've not seen THAT video as yet. Can you link me if hes actually putting it on the drain pump now?

Lastly Mikey, you noted different wire guage on the drain pumps you have, most likely one is 240v 50hz rated and the other is 120v 60hz rated... the higher voltage drain pump would have the smaller guage wire on it...

Cheers!
Gene

Thanks for correcting me Gene the magnets do go on the drive motor.

Also it is very important as you pointed out to get a drum rotor made of the ceramic magnetic material. There are two kinds type one is steel laminate and type 2 is ceramic.

All of my pumps are for 120vac appliances. All of them are 60hz here in Kansas (USA) Sometimes when my pump bearing fail I use the wire for Energizers because they can be 22 awg and that is a perfect or close to perfect length of wire already on a spool.

From my experiences a 1.2amp pump is the big one and the .5amp is small.

The ceramic units are easy to spot as they are sealed so the rotor is not visible. Such as are needed for swimming pool pumps because of safety concerns.

I have many pumps of both types but they are all 120v 60hz pumps because our electricity out here is that rating.

If I look on ebay I would bet that these pumps needed are off the big expensive front loader washers because they are the biggest and nicest looking pumps that I have seen.

Thanks again for keeping us on track.

One thing on Gerard's demeaning delivery is that he knows how to break the ice and separate the men from the boys. Adda-Boy Gerard

Ya gotta be able to take a joke. Another reaction is that peoples true colors will come out where they become vile using lies and profanity in an insane display of their true selves.

So this also separates the sane from the insane.

mikey

[BroMikey]

Gene,
Yes that's exactly how I did it. Tested with no load attached. I'm referring to the Christopher Sparkman video.

Thanks again,
wantomake

Here is a video showing the right proportions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mgT7X2lX-s