Gerard Morin Energy

[BroMikey]

Thanks Bromikey,
For keeping this fun and interesting.

Thanks Hitby, glad someone is testing and showing results.

wantomake

Hey wantomake

Glad SOMEBODY is getting a kick out of our fun and games experimenting We are just getting started "Hey Rocky-watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat?

Some of the HV experiments come to mind, of all kinds. Don Smith uses HV and so does the Kapagen stuff. In the Don Smith work we see coils stepping up voltage while 2-3 coils like it are set to collect the energy produced.

HitBy and I have talked about some other test proceedures along these lines, till Gerard gets back to us. Well we still need to pull up the bigger pole pigs into place and run tests with these first.

What you may not know is the sometimes a person will stumble onto a setup that works by accident and in this case it might just be tuning. That is tuning was not needed with the 50kw units because transformer capacitance may have accidentally worked out to be perfect in Gerards case.


All coils have their own value of capacitance. What we might be able to do is to tune each set of coils while we watch for improvements. Looking at Don Smith we see Don saying that his coils had to be tuned with capacitors.

Hitby and I agree and Hitby has caps for both 20,000 volts and 440 volts to play with values. Another thing we noted was that the input transformer in Gerards video was shorted out across the unused terminal. When we do that the Genset crashes so we are not sure what is going on there.

What we do know is that we have 1 pig twice the rating of the other so a 10kw going to a 5kw and this always costs us a 100 extra watts to make the transitions from transformer to transformer.

In Gerards video he shows the temperature decrease from ambient on the HV side and I forgot to ask HITBY if our setup does this. It is possible that if the temp drop is not present then the OU will not appear.

Mikey PS @Hitby did you notice a comment on your youtube video? The guy says Gerard did not have an earth ground

[wayne.ct]

Temperature effects are important observations

Please report temperature effects whenever possible. Gerard Morin did and we should too.

[Hitby13kw]

Already Started a new "To Do" list for the next test!!!

What we do know is that we have 1 pig twice the rating of the other so a 10kw going to a 5kw and this always costs us a 100 extra watts to make the transitions from transformer to transformer.

In Gerards video he shows the temperature decrease from ambient on the HV side and I forgot to ask HITBY if our setup does this. It is possible that if the temp drop is not present then the OU will not appear.

Mikey PS @Hitby did you notice a comment on your youtube video? The guy says Gerard did not have an earth ground

Yes, I did see the comment about earth ground:

Is it possible that your GROUND jumper cable are LIMITTING the potential output power??? I just wonderer if it can make a difference.. Gerard dont use any ground on his experiment.. Thanks for sharing

My response follows: - This is all new research, so anything is POSSIBLE. You are correct Gerard did NOT have the ground connection, we had that only because of the scope readings that were being done and safety, the test will be redone without the ground and scope next time. Thanks for your input; I was so fixed on waveform readings it didn't hit me that we had changed a basic parameter of the test.

I really like seeing others input on these tests, it helps us plan for and take the next step, so already we have two things for our next test :
1 Remove the Ground connection.
2 Temperature probe around the High Voltage wire.

For another YouTube user that noticed a temperature change around the high voltage wire going to his spark gape see this video by KUKULCANGOD
This is a toy car that changes color with temp. it's a 15 minute run but a good test . . . the toy got colder

Hitby13kw

[StudentofEnergy]

Ground the Can to the Can

Hi guys, talked to Gerard tonight about the video and he mentioned he hadn't seen it. He did mention that hitby (actually he said someone from eastern united states, I assume hitby; sorry if it was someone else) had called him and asked for guidance on setting up the system. He explained the setup and said, again, that you need to watch his video and set it up the exact same way. Gen - 120v into 50kv - one leg to 25Kv - 120v (hertz doesn't change) and then the output one leg and neutral into the load. Ground the pigs together and no to earth ground because it acts like a sponge. I think we should conduct the exact same experiment and use reference loading like he did in his video and then go back and try and use traditional measuring apparatus after we've filmed what the reproduction experiment shows. In any case I think hitby and others have gone above and beyond here and regardless of variance and or mistakes in the experiment setup I have to say you guys are awesome! Thank you for sharing your work and accepting constructive criticism.

p.s. something really exciting coming down the pipe folks just stay tuned ^^

[BroMikey]

Hi guys, talked to Gerard tonight about the video and he mentioned he hadn't seen it. He did mention that hitby (actually he said someone from eastern united states, I assume hitby; sorry if it was someone else) had called him and asked for guidance on setting up the system. He explained the setup and said, again, that you need to watch his video and set it up the exact same way. Gen - 120v into 50kv - one leg to 25Kv - 120v (hertz doesn't change) and then the output one leg and neutral into the load. Ground the pigs together and no to earth ground because it acts like a sponge. I think we should conduct the exact same experiment and use reference loading like he did in his video and then go back and try and use traditional measuring apparatus after we've filmed what the reproduction experiment shows. In any case I think hitby and others have gone above and beyond here and regardless of variance and or mistakes in the experiment setup I have to say you guys are awesome! Thank you for sharing your work and accepting constructive criticism.

p.s. something really exciting coming down the pipe folks just stay tuned ^^

Hi Chris

I agree Hitby has done it all and is the best choice for this task as we should all be aware of by now. Thanks to very few men here we need the funds to send Hitby the said McCulloch. I just got off the telephone with the man.

He is taking this one step at a time. And as far as taking constructive criticism we are wide open. We can take it, no chips on our shoulder and all of that. A mark of a grown up.

Say on because we don't do this everyday and miss things all of the time. Thank you for your input, we need it. And calling Gerard or emailing him? I almost did it but figured you would

Good man Chris, that is what I needed. It is nice to know others are looking over our shoulder overseeing our work.

Okay now, this experiment is taking shape and I also agreed with Hitby that his scope and testing equipment would have been in jeopardy without the ground, but I told him about the ground being wrong as far as Gerard's test. The point is we are not there yet.

Hitby is afraid to see the waveform ungrounded and so we may never find out what it really looks like when we hit the jackpot.

I looked at Gerards video and the 50kw pig has one of the hot legs jumped over to ground while the other side is being powered up with 120vac.

So another thing we have not decided is if we are right in the complete hookup diagram. When Hiyby uses the jumper the McCulloch Max's out and dies.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Again referring to the diagram in this thread the jumper knocks out the Genset, 200 lock rotor amps till it stalls. Naturally the jumper is quickly pulled before the fuse blows.

So we have a ways to go. I am very hopeful, with Hitby in charge of these test procedures as each of you are. Who knows maybe Gerard will become interested enough to watch our progress first hand.

Mikey

[StudentofEnergy]

"Hi Chris

I agree Hitby has done it all and is the best choice for this task as we should all be aware of by now. Thanks to very few men here we need the funds to send Hitby the said McCulloch. I just got off the telephone with the man.

He is taking this one step at a time. And as far as taking constructive criticism we are wide open. We can take it, no chips on our shoulder and all of that. A mark of a grown up.

Say on because we don't do this everyday and miss things all of the time. Thank you for your input, we need it. And calling Gerard or emailing him? I almost did it but figured you would

Good man Chris, that is what I needed. It is nice to know others are looking over our shoulder overseeing our work.

Okay now, this experiment is taking shape and I also agreed with Hitby that his scope and testing equipment would have been in jeopardy without the ground, but I told him about the ground being wrong as far as Gerard's test. The point is we are not there yet.

Hitby is afraid to see the waveform ungrounded and so we may never find out what it really looks like when we hit the jackpot.

I looked at Gerards video and the 50kw pig has one of the hot legs jumped over to ground while the other side is being powered up with 120vac.

So another thing we have not decided is if we are right in the complete hookup diagram. When Hiyby uses the jumper the McCulloch Max's out and dies.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Again referring to the diagram in this thread the jumper knocks out the Genset, 200 lock rotor amps till it stalls. Naturally the jumper is quickly pulled before the fuse blows.

So we have a ways to go. I am very hopeful, with Hitby in charge of these test procedures as each of you are. Who knows maybe Gerard will become interested enough to watch our progress first hand.

Mikey"

So in Gerard's setup he is sending a hot and neutral line from the generator to the neutral and hot leg of one of the 2 hot legs of the 50v transformer and one neutral. There is no hot leg going to the grounding bolt found on other side of can, I don't see it anyway and Gerard didn't say that was the case when I talked to him? Now both pigs have a ground nut and they are grounded together in the video you can see when camera faces the pigs from outside (grounding stops the static electricity problem). There is only one output of the pig on both of his pigs so he is feeding the 50kv 120 (step up) into the top of the 25KV can and stepping down and then pulling off of one of the two 120v legs to feed the load. So its a super simple setup where we should be able to run a reference load/s just like Gerard that is greater than the generator should be able to handle. I think that would be a great success and after that we try and view what is coming out of the pigs, firstly though lets reproduce over unity experiment just as he has done with reference loads the gen. shouldn't be able to run. That is what this guy wants to see anyway :P.

[Bob Smith]

I'm really interested in the principles of what's going on in GM's setup, and found Erfinder's comments a helpful reminder that 'go big or go home' isn't necessarily the best or safest way. The way I understand it, a square wave contains the compressed overtones (often referred to as harmonics) of a series of sine waves. Here's an explanation from allaboutcircuits.com:

a square wave is actually an infinite series of sine wave harmonics added together

Link: Square wave signals : Mixed-frequency Ac Signals - Electronics Textbook

One question for me is what kind of coil topology and interaction with passing magnets is going to best foster this kind of output?
(If one searches thru Erfinder's posts in various forums, I think this will become apparent. But it involves some honest digging and digesting.)
Bob

Edit: Something to think about in Robert99's setup:
First, look at these wave forms: http://www.energeticforum.com/265591-post1624.html then go back and look at what he says about the setup:
http://www.energeticforum.com/265447-post1618.html
http://www.energeticforum.com/265472-post1620.html

[DavidE]

S of Energy

Hitby is afraid to see the waveform ungrounded and so we may never find out what it really looks like when we hit the jackpot.

Grounding is such an interesting term. If you read and believe Don Smith, grounding is more of a relative frame of reference. And if you think about cars, planes and boats they obviously work fine establishing their own component of the dipole separate from the earth (ground). That is the point, that it ceases to become simple.

I am in the camp of setting things up the way Gerard did and see what the results look like. As long as that can be done with a measure of safety.

[BroMikey]

To better get us all with a better picture of what is actually going on I made a SKI-Matic Diagram. Also enclosed is a picture of Gerards shorted pole. I don't know about you guys but a shorted set of poles in very significant to me.

We can not just jump over that fact.

Also in minute 3:36

@Chris 50KW not 50KV KV is a Kilo-Volt designation.

We do not have a 50KW transformer. We have a 37.5KW unit.

Bee C-in Ya Ps Thank you everyone for you attention.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY

[BroMikey]

@Gene

The Genset completely stalls out.

@Everyone

Give a listen to Gerard talk about the McCulloch waveform no having a peak on it. In minute 11:20 for several minutes of time. Check it out

COLD "REDEATION"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY

[kenssurplus]

To better get us all with a better picture of what is actually going on I made a SKI-Matic Diagram. Also enclosed is a picture of Gerards shorted pole. I don't know about you guys but a shorted set of poles in very significant to me.

We can not just jump over that fact.

Also in minute 3:36

@Chris 50KW not 50KV KV is a Kilo-Volt designation.

We do not have a 50KW transformer. We have a 37.5KW unit.

Bee C-in Ya Ps Thank you everyone for you attention.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Spf5WVGgSY

I don't really want to butt in here, but I think you guys are missing something major and are likely to get hurt by it.

Look in the picture of the pole pig that is in this post. It has FOUR low voltage insulated terminals NOT three as the SKI-MATIC shows. The two center terminals appear to be both neutrals which are tied together with a strap. The farthest away terminal appears to be unconnected (not shorted to neutral). The reason to have the neutrals separable like that is so you can do different phasing with the other half of the low voltage coils. This connection type would leave the second half of the low voltage coils open, and not loaded. If you insist on shorting this terminal to neutral, of course you will load down and kill the gen.

When dealing with this high voltage and pole pigs etc, you must be VERY certain of your connections and diagrams. In my view, it being negligent liability to present false connection diagrams and info.

[wayne.ct]

How to "see" the waveform without connecting to ground.

You don't have to physically connect a wire between the pigs and the scope if radiant energy is involved. The "square" wave tells me that frequencies higher than 60 Hz. are involved which means radiant, i.e. radio frequencies. In other words, the experiment is putting out radio waves!

Don't connect the oscilloscope to anything. Set the input to AC. Connect a loop of wire between the tip and ground clip of the probe and observe the wave form. I would guess a wire about 12 to 24 inches long would be long enough. (30 to 60 cm.) Keep the the scope and probe at least 6 ft. (2 m.) away from the pigs.

A screen shot with the set up operating and not operating would be enough to give most of us an idea what, if anything, might be happening.

[StudentofEnergy]

I don't really want to butt in here, but I think you guys are missing something major and are likely to get hurt by it.

Look in the picture of the pole pig that is in this post. It has FOUR low voltage insulated terminals NOT three as the SKI-MATIC shows. The two center terminals appear to be both neutrals which are tied together with a strap. The farthest away terminal appears to be unconnected (not shorted to neutral). The reason to have the neutrals separable like that is so you can do different phasing with the other half of the low voltage coils. This connection type would leave the second half of the low voltage coils open, and not loaded. If you insist on shorting this terminal to neutral, of course you will load down and kill the gen.

When dealing with this high voltage and pole pigs etc, you must be VERY certain of your connections and diagrams. In my view, it being negligent liability to present false connection diagrams and info.

I agree, I thought that either a 3 phase pig with a single neutral or duel neutral with two hot legs for phasing. So I'm looking at my neon sign transformer right now. It has 120v input a hot / neutral and then two output pegs 12kv; it also has one casing ground. Now thats what I'm getting at here, ground the can from the grounding lug like Gerard does in the video. I don't see where one coil of the transformer is shorted, assuming that there are two neutral connections.

[BroMikey]

I don't really want to butt in here, but I think you guys are missing something major and are likely to get hurt by it.

Look in the picture of the pole pig that is in this post. It has FOUR low voltage insulated terminals NOT three as the SKI-MATIC shows. The two center terminals appear to be both neutrals which are tied together with a strap. The farthest away terminal appears to be unconnected (not shorted to neutral). The reason to have the neutrals separable like that is so you can do different phasing with the other half of the low voltage coils. This connection type would leave the second half of the low voltage coils open, and not loaded. If you insist on shorting this terminal to neutral, of course you will load down and kill the gen.

When dealing with this high voltage and pole pigs etc, you must be VERY certain of your connections and diagrams. In my view, it being negligent liability to present false connection diagrams and info.

Wow you are right

Thanks so much Ken. We tried it the wrong way but it just stopped the engine. Now I see it clearly. Thank you Thank you.

Sorry everyone my mistake. I honestly did not see that back terminal.

Most have 3 terminals but that one has 4 so the dual winding set can be split up.

The 4 terminals looked so different from others and the one in the back was in the shadows and had me buffalo-ed.

So this IS good news, we are doing everything right and are learning somethings the hard way.

Mikey PS here is how I am use to looking at them

[BroMikey]

I agree, I thought that either a 3 phase pig with a single neutral or duel neutral with two hot legs for phasing. So I'm looking at my neon sign transformer right now. It has 120v input a hot / neutral and then two output pegs 12kv; it also has one casing ground. Now thats what I'm getting at here, ground the can from the grounding lug like Gerard does in the video. I don't see where one coil of the transformer is shorted, assuming that there are two neutral connections.

You are right Chris that was a wrong evaluation on my part. Thank you for watching out for us.

Mikey