Gerard Morin Energy

[Turion]

Do we have any specs on the pole pigs GERARD IS USING? If we did, we could start searching for places where they are sold and come up with some I would buy them myself if I had to, and I will have two McCulloch generators. I pick up the second one on Wednesday. Just heard from the folks who have it.

And I just found these guys:
RESA Power Solutions
2390 Zanker Rd
San Jose, CA 95131

Who are about 15 minutes from my house and have used pole pigs for sale. Don't know how much yet, but I will find out tomorrow.I am thinking 100KVar and 50KVar

Dave

[BroMikey]

Used Pigs

Van De Graaf machines yeap. Nothing like what Gerard Morins doing.

Where the van de graaf uses the dielectric belt to "peg" charge and carry it up to the isolated terminal sphere, the washing machine drain pump is just a 3600rpm motor being driven as a generator which outputs AC, not Electrostatic energy at all.

Uh... close ? tho... sorta...

Gene

Do we have any specs on the pole pigs GERARD IS USING? If we did, we could start searching for places where they are sold and come up with some I would buy them myself if I had to, and I will have two McCulloch generators. I pick up the second one on Wednesday. Just heard from the folks who have it.

And I just found these guys:
RESA Power Solutions
2390 Zanker Rd
San Jose, CA 95131

Who are about 15 minutes from my house and have used pole pigs for sale. Don't know how much yet, but I will find out tomorrow.I am thinking 100KVar and 50KVar

Dave

Yeah Check it out Dave

The video showed us one single phase 50kva powered by a 3300 watt McCulloch winding well like this



Okay then the energy is sent over to a 25kva unit. Notation: look at how the first pig having the standard 240vac connectors has one of it's sides SHORTED. This maybe more significant then most people realize.

Also keep in mind that only a magneto twin winding genset will work.

Windings, windings windings, I know and like Mark said we should stick to the diagram. Other test can also be made of all sorts.

So then the energy is sent to the SMALLER unit (25kva) so as to eliminate winding losses. This too is very significant.

Spec's? Well I had originally assumed that the grey pole pigs are all the same. The outside case color may change slightly or the shape of the casting, but the insides are all made the same way.

Could I be wrong on that? I doubt it but ask those guys anyway when you call if you think about it.

we will be looking for your findings.

Oh yeah Turion, I wanted to thank you for letting us all know that your genset didn't pan out the way you thought. No sense hitting it to hard to get it apart if if could be used for awhile as a back up.

Maybe if it runs for awhile it will loosen up. However I think you stated that it was to small? A 1200watt? That is 1/3rd the size we really wanted.

But thanks for the gesture.

[BroMikey]

hitby & Bro Mikey,

Hi, I am interested in helping out by supplying some funds - If whatever group
intends to make their *results public*. I consider this a good idea

I suspect the Morin generator version is lacking the AVR regulator module

So like the older versions of the generator the wire
from the stator coils go directly to the split phase socket contacts. This is
called parameteric regulation.


There is a 3300Watt Mite-e-lite generator version with a bigger, thicker yellow disk ...................... According to the patents there is a barium ferrite magnet disk inside the aluminum rotor, so that is interesting.

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If one lowers the 30amp fast blow fuse in the generator to say 20amps
then one should be able to prove that 6000W or 9000W cannot be supported
directly by the generator without blowing it's fuse but *can* be supported by
the generator plus the transformers.

This is the kind of cross validation proof
I would be looking for to prove this is OU.


Of course if we had the electric
motor powered generator it would be easy then to close the loop.


Let us know if you are finding anything.

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:S:MarkSCoffman

You know alot about this generator. This is good for the experimenters.

Does Barium Ferrite still get used in generator magnets these days?

Mikey

[Dog-One]

The video showed us one single phase 50kva powered by a 3300 watt McCulloch winding well like this

Hey Mike, that last video Gerard did, he mentioned the generator was only a 1500 watt unit driving the pole transformers. It was smaller than he originally thought, which made the results even more impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDretlCt8g

[BroMikey]

Hey Mike, that last video Gerard did, he mentioned the generator was only a 1500 watt unit driving the pole transformers. It was smaller than he originally thought, which made the results even more impressive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDretlCt8g

Hi Dog

Thats funny because in the Pole Pig video Gerard specifically points out that his 30 fuse have not blown out because he was running about 21 amps.

120vac X 21amps plus could not come from a 1500 watt genset. It might run up to 2000 for 5 minutes but not 2800 watts continuously like Gerard said in the video.

Mikey

[mscoffman]

On the barium ferrite magnetic disk in the McCulloch Mite-e-lite Generator.

The McCulloch generator design is unique (there were many variations
produced over the years by McCulloch). It uses a donut magnet...If you
remember those large loudspeakers built in the 1970's used large donut
ceramic field magnets too. Barium ferrite ceramic magnets then were the
Neodymium magnets of today. According to Wikipedia; Barium Ferrite is
insensitive to being damaged by heating.

My feeling is that this generator is a unique design. It is a variation of a
Homopolar Generator (a homopolar motor actually). The copper or aluminum
disk spins within a magnetic field made by the magnet the magnet creates a
eddy-current loops in the copper disk and creates virtual magnetic poles which
follow the spining disk around. These virtual poles pass the dual "D" stator
coils and induce a voltage that was parametrically regulated by the shape of
the "D" coil(s).

Most modern inverter generators have starter batteries that can induce the
initial field. Non inverter generators use either a small PM DC generator, also
called magnetos, (like large power house dynamoes do) or inexpensive ones
have a residual magnetic field captured by their iron components. They need
to be "flashed" from a 12 volt battery if the field is erased or discharges. So
the, answer is none that I am aware of. A homopolar approach is material
intensive rather then the materials conservative approach of modern
generator, built like electric motors of copper wire wound on iron. There are
axial flux generators that do contain isolated permanent magnets. A field
regulated device has two benefits. One the strength of field changes the
mechanial size of the generator and a field winding has the same temperature
sensitivity as the rest of the windings.

One can see how and unregulated generator might interact with a high voltage
transformer to boost output. Someone said one will eventually Lose Lenz Law
when the rotor spins fast enough. If this is true one could see the system
generating OU energy. One can also see how it would be easy to accidently
overheat a n was not crazy about allowing the generator to run for long
periods.

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The 3300 Watt has a large disc and large motor

30 amps times 120Volts = 3600Watts (extra wattage required because of
FB fast blow fuse)

The 3000 Watt has large disk and 4 HP motor <- Gerrard Morine version
4 HP times 768 equals ~3000 Watts divided by 21 amps = 142 Volts
The 2000Watt version
The 1500 Watt version

There was a 1500 Watt version that support 120 Volt through one outlet
that had only one "D" stator coil.

The 1200 Watt small disc
Smaller disc and motor.

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The final device would best be run on split phase 240VAC to cut down current
flowing in any one wire. Having split phase 240VAC rather than 120VAC is an
option in the Pole Pig transformer.

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Options on the transformer. There appears to be rather exhustive labels
outside the transformer telling what is on what is inside.

Obviously the high voltage must match the 14.4KV. Many transformers are
low voltage like 480VAC to 120VAC, so watch for appropriate insulator
length. You often see triplet transformers on utility poles - that is 3phase with
one core for each phase - these are the ones we don't want at least initially.
We want the low voltage class unbalanced ones. I don't generally see 100Kvar
unbalanced. I think that is because 3phase comes to dominate at higher
power levels. I think they can come with lightning arresters and surge\
protectors usually mounted on outside the tank. Obviously resistance either in
series or parallel with a protector could lower efficiency. They can come with
120VAC only or 240VAC center tap. Some transformers contain voltage
adjustment taps for ten volt output intervals. These are adjusted by a
removable crank. Again it would be nice eventually to have this but not
of use much initially. I don't know of any other options. Obviously anything
secreted inside the tank is undesirable. The surge protectors/flashover
protectors need to be looked into for final set-up where we probably want
them on both input and output LVAC but efficiency effects need to be
understood before we would apply them. Especially true if we use direct
to semiconductor circuit methods.

By the way; "believe anyone with actual work experience with these before
you believe me", even though individual utilities may have standards that are
not industry wide.

Also @turion:

I' ll bet it's possible to burn a generator up pretty good without necessary
damaging the heavy duty stator coils. Wire insulation can contribute to lots
of smoke. You could also loose the entire AVR module without changing things
very much. Inspect Stator coil insulation and ohmmeter the coil resistance and
resistance to ground. The wiring schematic is super simple. Measure final
output voltage and power. Discharging the magnetics is a different thing though.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[Hitby13kw]

Gerard Morin replication 10kw to 5kw transformer test

OK Team, After having a conversation with Gerard (and as several have pointed out in the Comments on my first YouTube test) we were running power in the system reversed, we should have taken the source power (currently the grid) and put that into the bigger transformer and then taken our output from the smaller transformer, so we have made another test with the connections arranged as per Gerard’s instructions. Big>Small This test is only to set a base line reading to compare with planned future tests. Now we need to go find a BiGGer load.

Here is the latest. Tiny 1200 watt McCulloch genset, to small

@BroMikey, Gerard did state that you only had to tickle the first transformer to initiate things and from Tom Bearden’s work we know that if we don’t destroy the dipole and keep the energy flowing that it can cycled through your system several times. So this smaller McCulloch might get things moving, time will tell.

Hitby13kw

[BroMikey]

Great Facts Mark, good answers, all of what you said needs to be considered.
The way you talk about designs got me thinking. Those windings made of flat stock and insulation are very "intense" compared to regular windings.

I was watching Gerard and he called the Barrium magnets HORSE SHOE but I think the Patent says something else?

Or maybe he meant it gave a horse shoe shaped field.

All I know is how awesome those McCulloch windings look as they remind me of start coils.

I am keeping a close eye out for a 3300 watt system (768 watts per HP = 768 X 4HP =) and yes we need need insulation tests, no problem.

The part about losing Lenz law is very exciting, more so that I am hearing it from someone who is obviously astute in this field that perceives the possibilities of OU.


Mike Rowland (Central Kansas USA)

On the barium ferrite magnetic disk in the McCulloch Mite-e-lite Generator.

The McCulloch generator design is unique

According to Wikipedia; Barium Ferrite is
insensitive to being damaged by heating.

My feeling is that this generator is a unique design. It is a variation of a
Homopolar Generator (a homopolar motor actually). The copper or aluminum
disk spins within a magnetic field made by the magnet the magnet creates a
eddy-current loops in the copper disk and creates virtual magnetic poles which
follow the spining disk around. These virtual poles pass the dual "D" stator
coils and induce a voltage that was parametrically regulated by the shape of
the "D" coil(s).

So the, answer is none that I am aware of.


A homopolar approach is material
intensive rather then the materials conservative approach of modern
generator, .................

One can see how and unregulated generator might interact with a high

voltage transformer to boost output. Someone said one will eventually Lose

Lenz Law when the rotor spins fast enough. If this is true one could see the

system generating OU energy. One can also see how it would be easy to

accidently overheat a n was not crazy about allowing the generator to run

for long periods.

---

The 3300 Watt has a large disc and large motor

30 amps times 120Volts = 3600Watts (extra wattage required because of
FB fast blow fuse)

The 3000 Watt has large disk and 4 HP motor <- Gerrard Morine version
4 HP times 768 equals ~3000 Watts divided by 21 amps = 142 Volts
The 2000Watt version
The 1500 Watt version

There was a 1500 Watt version that support 120 Volt through one outlet
that had only one "D" stator coil.

The 1200 Watt small disc
Smaller disc and motor.



:S:MarkSCoffman

[BroMikey]

3300 watts

Hello Group members

It appears that I have found another 3300 watt McCulloch genset on the RENO craigslist. I called and left a message. I will follow up soon. Stay tuned.

It would save time to have all of these pieces to start with rather than trying to make one from scratch.

Don't you agree?

https://reno.craigslist.org/tls/4875164743.html

[BroMikey]

Contact

I just contacted the owner by phone and he called me back. The price is cheap at $125 but shipping may run $200. That is a samll price to pay for the right everything we need from A-Z. That is so awesome.

He said it had spark but i really didn't care. In other words he can't get it to run. PERFECT for our needs.

Don't you think?

The backer plates and coils plus that dynamite double magnetic rotor could be adapted to an electric motor fast.

Once we have this generator converted I will find some pole pigs.

Is that fast enough for you guys?

Mikey

[BroMikey]

Private Messages

HITBY13kw

Check your private messages. We have a green light.

[BroMikey]

Paying By Card

I have never done this before so I don't know how to get this paid for and have a decent record of what I pay for. Or you are paying for.

See what I mean, we want to be sure.

He is actually going to wait till I call him back to check shipping cost I am suppose to call him Wednesday and when everyone has heard and decided this is a good choice I will call him back.

He just posted this Genset and he said he would hold it til tomorrow.

If you have handled things paying out of state let me know the best way to proceed in a secure way.

The young man is in the military and will be at a military base soon on the 17th so I know he has options. Paypal, credit cards, money orders, I never did this before, not real sure.

Let me know what you think Mark. I didn't think it was a bad price at all.

Mike

[BroMikey]

@hitby

Check your private messages. It looks like the 3300 is the best deal and it won't get hot having the extra headroom/mass.

Mikey

OK Team, After having a conversation with Gerard (and as several have pointed out in the Comments on my first YouTube test) we were running power in the system reversed, we should have taken the source power (currently the grid) and put that into the bigger transformer and then taken our output from the smaller transformer, so we have made another test with the connections arranged as per Gerard’s instructions. Big>Small This test is only to set a base line reading to compare with planned future tests. Now we need to go find a BiGGer load.



@BroMikey, Gerard did state that you only had to tickle the first transformer to initiate things and from Tom Bearden’s work we know that if we don’t destroy the dipole and keep the energy flowing that it can cycled through your system several times. So this smaller McCulloch might get things moving, time will tell.

Hitby13kw

[bhaas]

Shipping should be no where near $200. I sent an entire 5 speed transmission
setup across the country and it only costed $80.

He sent me a money order cause I don't do paypal or credit cards.

It shouldn't be difficult at all.

Good Luck!

[Turion]

Greyhound bus is a cheap way to ship also.