Gerard Morin Energy

[BroMikey]

Shipping

Thanks Guys.

I think $80 sounds like a fair price. Or bus. One time I got a surplus roll of welding wire shipped to me. The roll was 300 pounds and the shipping was $200.

That Generator is lighter. One time I had a 70 pound curve tracer sent to me and shipping was nearly $100. All of these things were paid through PAYPAL.

Shipping cost swing wildly depending on who it is. If the supplier ships out 1000's of items per day they get a reduced shipping break.

It can cost 3 times as much for an individual to have the same item shipped as Big Business does with their inside track at the post office.

What I have never done is to pay OUTSIDE of a secure PAYPAL setup where it is just between me and the seller. I know a paper trails is always important.

Cash on delivery C O D I don't know

Mike

[bhaas]

Just gotta trust people sometimes

[Dog-One]

Gerard did state that you only had to tickle the first transformer to initiate things...

I think that is right, but standard mains power isn't going to cut it.

I think we need a different form of electricity. Probably something like Eric talks about here:
Eric P Dollard confronts a "C is max" idiot from the Cult of Quantum in the crowd - NickTube - Hight speed video experience with HD Quality

We do that and I bet you can hook up 10 of these pole pigs and every one of them will produce full power--Energy Amplification

[BroMikey]

Reverse Hookup. Trying it Both Ways.

OK Team, After having a conversation with Gerard ...........

@BroMikey, Gerard did state that you only had to tickle the first transformer to initiate things and from Tom Bearden’s work we know that if we don’t destroy the dipole and keep the energy flowing that it can cycled through your system several times. So this smaller McCulloch might get things moving, time will tell.

Hitby13kw

@Hitby

Yes I spotted your reversed configuration hookup right away. I figured you would try it both ways when we get what we really need to complete Gerards test.

Please refer to the original diagram posted in this thread. This is a detailed connection diagram reflecting the video. Sometimes any hookup is better than nothing so it was good to see how you were getting about 95 percent back of what you put in.

Also a trickle for a 50kva POLE PIG is what we are going to be giving it.

A 50kva pig can handle 200 plus amps at 240vac, Now maybe we are getting the picture here. If we were pumping the 25kva pig with 20 amps I would say it is a small amount.

But running a 200amp pig on half the voltage and 1/10 the current is a trickle or a tickle to that large of a unit. No doubt about it.

Yes we need the 4hp 3300 watt winding and run THAT power to tickle the 50.

@All
I know Hitby was just getting things rearranged in the shop and threw something together on a wall plug so we could see he did have a shop and is capable of handling the work without getting himself killed.

HITBY likes to work in the shop and hanging out online endless hours is not his bag. How else would he have so many gadgets?

There is a job for every man and a man for every job. Keep doing what you do best and do not apologize for it.

Mikey

[BroMikey]

Shipping a 3300 watt McCulloch

Okay I just got off the phone with Travis and he is checking shipping from 2 separate locations from where he is now and where he is going to be on the 17th of this month.

Travis knows about the shipping cost because he asked his brother who works for FEDX. Also Travis knows all about putting this unit on a pallet and is not asking for any extra money to do that job. Again his brother works for FEDX so he has been told generally, that it might cost around $100 for shipping but Travis has agreed to check now more specifically.

If you have pledged to help us get materials, please stand by.

I have $50 and tonight Travis is removing the craigslist post so as to save the GENSET for us here at this group. I told Travis that we are a bunch of guys who experiment and what we will be doing with the winding.

One location is 1500 miles closer than the other that he is checking shipping on. So that location is when he will be going to the military base on the 17th.

This will allow for the jet lag we experience getting everyone on the same page and in the know about our purchase.

I will report to the group how much is spent on each device.

I talked to HITBY on the phone and he told me that many people had contacted him on his TUBE video "SAYING" that HIYBY had it all wrong and that Gerard didn't do it that way.

Of course Hitby knew this since he was only working with what he had, trying it both ways. This is understandable that people will comment correcting us for our failure to have all of the right materials on hand to make proper tests.

Michael Rowland
Central Kansas

[BroMikey]

Pole Pigs

Here is another piece that I consider a fair shake. Only $350 for a 25kva transformer found on telephone poles. We would not necessarily be buying this exact unit because of it's location. This gives us an idea about what it looks like and how clean, for a few hundred.

GE Prolec T2572X121CN Transformer Conv 25KVA 1B 12 4 7 2 120 240 | eBay

[mscoffman]

Here is another piece that I consider a fair shake. Only $350 for a 25kva transformer found on telephone poles. We would not necessarily be buying this exact unit because of it's location. This gives us an idea about what it looks like and how clean, for a few hundred.

GE Prolec T2572X121CN Transformer Conv 25KVA 1B 12 4 7 2 120 240 | eBay

Here is another piece that I consider a fair shake. Only $350 for a 25kva transformer found on telephone poles. We would not necessarily be buying this exact unit because of it's location. This gives us an idea about what it looks like and how clean, for a few hundred.

GE Prolec T2572X121CN Transformer Conv 25KVA 1B 12 4 7 2 120 240 | eBay

It looks like we may have Mite-e-lite generator under control. Now for the
transformers.

NO! Got your attention? The above post pictured transformer is not a
correct one for one reason.

1) This is a 12.5KVAC unit listed in it's numbers and
faceplate. Notice G. Morin's unit has a much longer
insulator. *We want a 14.4KVAC unit* while it's
important that both our two transformers be the
same HV the exact high voltage is important for free
electron reasons.

----

This following link is an example of a 3phase system in life. This is the one we
don't want, notice the transformer is used in triplet and there are two medium
length insulators symmetrical because of 3phase. One transformer is slightly
larger then the other two this one handles the 240 single phase also.

Also in the following picture of the furthest transformer 2/3 of the way to the
top of the transformer is a small dark spot with a lever sticking out. This I
believe is an optional tap switch that lets a lineman adjust the exact turns
ratio of transformer therefore an exact output voltage.

LucidScience - Gallery Project : ROCK DISAGGREGATOR - Page 2 of 18

----

The solution to transformers might be to try to get the two transformer from
the following company. Link shown below. Notice the price of the small one is
$795USD

Pole Transformer 3kVA to 25kVA at 14.4kV - Information Unlimited

Notice from the picture the right and middle columns are not the ones we
want because they have symmetric dual HV. insulators. We want only one big
Insulator like the smallest 3KVA ones on the right. Those dual insulators are
ok for tesla coils but not for us they are part of the dipole.

----

The reason I think this company is a good deal is:

1) their transformers are configured for Tesla coil hobbyist and will
2) probably not contain unwanted options.
3) The price is not too bad.
4) They appear to be new.
5) The HV's are all 14.4KVAC
6) We would need to get them to order the correct 25KVA and a correct 50
KVA 1 wye transformers.

One negative thing we wouldn't be able to test with an unused transformer is
if the OU Gain is somehow inside the transformer tank because it was
previously used. This would be bad for us if it was true.


:S:MarkSCoffman

[BroMikey]

All good points Mark I missed that figure of 12.5kva marked on these transformers. I just wasn't thinking about that data because I knew we would not be buying it. However up until you had posted I didn't have a clue where to buy and be sure that we are going to make a good test based of proper materials.

Thanks for keeping us on track.

Also I just got off the phone to Travis and he is so busy he doesn't think he is going to have time to get everything done between now and when he has to be there at his Military base on the 17th.

What Travis did say is he is going to be 1500 miles closer than he is right now to HitBy and the only thing he might possibly do is meet HitBy half way or HitBy would have to make a trip on the weekend all of the way.

But only $125 is a great buy. Maybe we could send HitBy the extra gas money so he can make the trip?

I talked to HitBy and he doesn't want to drive that far.

Things cost money and Hitby is lining up a large high quality electrical induction motor and all of the fasteners, mounts and more. So if any of you would like to make a small pledge of $50 let us know and I will send you a private message.

Mark did you check your private messages?

I am going to call FEDX but Travis doesn't have time to box it, drain it and find out what the charges are going to be because he is over run with things to do before he leaves his family for a period of months.

Monday is his only chance to find out and he may, we will see.

Travis is going to take the Genset with him in his big truck unless no one can make the trip.

a 3.5 hour drive would run HitBy $50 -70 bucks for gas depending on his car.

I don't know. So far all I have is $50 to send him with no previous people who have pledged speaking up.

Thanks for lining up the right stuff Mark. I will keep on the Genset. We will find one.

Mike

It looks like we may have Mite-e-lite generator under control. Now for the
transformers.

NO! Got your attention? The above post pictured transformer is not a
correct one for one reason.

1) This is a 12.5KVAC unit listed in it's numbers and
faceplate. Notice G. Morin's unit has a much longer
insulator. *We want a 14.4KVAC unit* while it's
important that both our two transformers be the
same HV the exact high voltage is important for free
electron reasons.

----

This following link is an example of a 3phase system in life. This is the one we
don't want, notice the transformer is used in triplet and there are two medium
length insulators symmetrical because of 3phase. One transformer is slightly
larger then the other two this one handles the 240 single phase also.

Also in the following picture of the furthest transformer 2/3 of the way to the
top of the transformer is a small dark spot with a lever sticking out. This I
believe is an optional tap switch that lets a lineman adjust the exact turns
ratio of transformer therefore an exact output voltage.

LucidScience - Gallery Project : ROCK DISAGGREGATOR - Page 2 of 18

----

The solution to transformers might be to try to get the two transformer from
the following company. Link shown below. Notice the price of the small one is
$795USD

Pole Transformer 3kVA to 25kVA at 14.4kV - Information Unlimited

Notice from the picture the right and middle columns are not the ones we
want because they have symmetric dual HV. insulators. We want only one big
Insulator like the smallest 3KVA ones on the right. Those dual insulators are
ok for tesla coils but not for us they are part of the dipole.

----

The reason I think this company is a good deal is:

1) their transformers are configured for Tesla coil hobbyist and will
2) probably not contain unwanted options.
3) The price is not too bad.
4) They appear to be new.
5) The HV's are all 14.4KVAC
6) We would need to get them to order the correct 25KVA and a correct 50
KVA 1 wye transformers.

One negative thing we wouldn't be able to test with an unused transformer is
if the OU Gain is somehow inside the transformer tank because it was
previously used. This would be bad for us if it was true.


:S:MarkSCoffman

[wantomake]

where?

Bromikey,
What state is the genset in? I'm in upstate SC. If near here I could help out. If not don't reply.

Thanks and wish I could help,
wantomake

[BroMikey]

Donation By 10K

Okay i have another pledge of $50 on hold til we find out what is going to happen. user 10K thank you for your offer.

Now with my $50 and 10K's $50 we are at $100. The genset is $125 so we are close.

The Geneset will be in TX by the 17th.

Thanks for your kind offer wantomake but this is to far for you.
I liked your flyback video's with ZVS circuits.

Mikey

[BroMikey]

Genset

Here is another one

McCulloch 3300W Generator

[mscoffman]

The is just prior NY one sounds pretty good to me. You may want to
see if he would accept a non-refundable partial down payment to hold
two of them for us.

Having the engine recently rebuilt and running sounds great. Maybe you
run him through how to test these for 220-240VAC present.

---

Once we get these I'd like to see the electrical wiring visually inspected
to make sure the wiring isn't in too bad of shape.

Then take the yellow disk cover off and clean the inside of dust.
Then liberally apply some cleaning fluid: of carbon tetrachloride, freon or
trichloroethylene, to clean out the whole disc area after testing that it
doesn't damage coil insulation. These are all non-flammable, non-ionic liquids.
I guess one should apply some lubrication to the bearing area post cleaning.
Then give a couple squirts of electrical contact cleaner to the electrical socket,
switch and fuse hardware. Inspect that there is clearance between
the rotating part and the stator 'D' coils. Reinstall cover.

Hey...I'm feeling better already!

:S:MarkSCoffman

[BroMikey]

New Package

@Mark

Done did deal, just got off the phone with our man upstate NY in Rochester.
His name is David he is a great guy very settled person, gonna shipping ASAP and will get us one price.

This guy can do anything.

I called back on our previously inquired Genset in Reno and politely cancelled our order. Travis has no time. End of prospect.

I am checking on the cleaning fluids now and will show the group. This way a man may donate by purchasing small pieces to this puzzle. We need everyone to help if they want to.


@Everyone
We may possibly, be going down in history very soon, replicating a practical OU system for the DIY crowd.

Thanks to a small collection of Forum Members we can get the job done in a timely fashion.

HiyBy will have a lot to do so we need to get him what little he needs to clean, mount, connect, whatever. These little projects cost $50 bucks here and there. (Hitby check your phone.)

Thankyou for your help and desire to see this work through. I will contact each of you when the time comes and you will all get your chance to decide on purchases.

I will not be handling your money, this does not make sense. Each of you can save the double shipping charges and time, sending the material directly to Hitby.

Let us choose wisely and agree together before a purchase.

Mikey PS BTW my real name is Michael Rowland and I live in the Kansas dust bowl. I use Screen name BroMikey because the name mike is to common.

The is just prior NY one sounds pretty good to me. You may want to
see if he would accept a non-refundable partial down payment to hold
two of them for us.

Having the engine recently rebuilt and running sounds great. Maybe you
run him through how to test these for 220-240VAC present.

---

Once we get these I'd like to see the electrical wiring visually inspected
to make sure the wiring isn't in too bad of shape.

Then take the yellow disk cover off and clean the inside of dust.
Then liberally apply some cleaning fluid: of carbon tetrachloride, freon or
trichloroethylene, to clean out the whole disc area after testing that it
doesn't damage coil insulation. These are all non-flammable, non-ionic liquids.
I guess one should apply some lubrication to the bearing area post cleaning.
Then give a couple squirts of electrical contact cleaner to the electrical socket,
switch and fuse hardware. Inspect that there is clearance between
the rotating part and the stator 'D' coils. Reinstall cover.

Hey...I'm feeling better already!

:S:MarkSCoffman

[BroMikey]

Electrical cleaner foresale

We might send a few cans of this to our Techy. It sprays on, dries and cleans winding safely.

I could post an entire engineering document on a dozen variations of these cleaners if you think only certain ones qualify. We would have to pull the cover first to see what type of insulation we are dealing with if any.

I think these windings are dipped in resins? I think.


Amazon.com: CRC 05103 Quick Dry Electronic Cleaner - 11 Wt Oz.: Automotive

[Hitby13kw]

It looks like we may have Mite-e-lite generator under control. Now for the transformers.

----

The solution to transformers might be to try to get the two transformer from
the following company. Link shown below. Notice the price of the small one is
$795USD

Pole Transformer 3kVA to 25kVA at 14.4kV - Information Unlimited

Notice from the picture the right and middle columns are not the ones we
want because they have symmetric dual HV. insulators. We want only one big
Insulator like the smallest 3KVA ones on the right. Those dual insulators are
ok for tesla coils but not for us they are part of the dipole.

----

The reason I think this company is a good deal is:

1) their transformers are configured for Tesla coil hobbyist and will
2) probably not contain unwanted options.
3) The price is not too bad.
4) They appear to be new.
5) The HV's are all 14.4KVAC
6) We would need to get them to order the correct 25KVA and a correct 50
KVA 1 wye transformers.

One negative thing we wouldn't be able to test with an unused transformer is
if the OU Gain is somehow inside the transformer tank because it was
previously used. This would be bad for us if it was true.


:S:MarkSCoffman

@Mark Coffman, You have a keen eye to have noticed that in my tests the pole transformers used were 12.7kVAC @ 5 & 10kW respectively. There are others in our inventory, double checked and we also have several (both 1&2 insulator) 14.4kVAC @ 10kW and nameplate of same, a 14.4kVAC @ 25kW transformer, also a 37.5kW unit.

These units are bigger and take a bit more effort to move; since the main objective of the early test was to demonstrate to the forum that we could in fact do the testing (without killing myself) it seemed like an adequate representation with the smaller units.

As to the number of insulators (1 or 2) this has to with how the power company plans to tie into their network in either a Y or Delta configuration, internally they are identical (if the tag rating is the same) . Simply stated the 1 insulator units can only be wired one way, the high voltage winding in the core is between the single insulator and the metal can of the transformer which is grounded.

With the 2 insulator units, each insulator is one end of the high voltage winding, this makes it very easy to connect three units (one for each phase) in a Delta configuration (no ground return needed) the 2 insulator transformers can be connected either way but cost more per unit, this adds up to big money for the power companies, so they try to get away with as many single insulator transformers as they can.

I can understand your thoughts of wanting to duplicate Gerard’s work with the exact equipment he used and was only offering what I had on hand.

It is apparent by your above statements about transformers that you have no first hand experience with these bigger units, but your free to do what you want and we will do the same.

Hitby13kw