Where is the free energy?

[Ted Ewert]

Duality is a basic attribute of the universe. There are forces which cause differentials, and forces which equalize these differentials. Two separate properties of nature which use energy in opposite ways.
The trick is how to create a differential with less energy than it takes to equalize that differential.
For example: I can switch the flux of a powerful permanent magnet between two paths with far less energy than it takes to cut off the flow. You would think that a simple motor could be constructed with this principal (such as the Flynn motor claims to be). Not so easy! Yes you can switch the flux path, but unless you have a solid, continuous path (which is not the case where the armature is moving and not connected), the flux takes it's own sweet time about changing direction. It is a cascade effect, which happens very quickly in a solid path, but not so fast in a pathway with a variable permeability, such a motor gap. This causes all kinds of problems, since the faster the armature turns, the less effective the PM flux is.
These are the types of engineering hurdles we must solve in order to harness these energies. Theories are great, but a solid understanding of the nature of the energy, where it's coming from and how to tap into it is far more important.
The whole idea of the universe starting with "X" quanta of differentiated energy and slowly winding down to equilibrium is BS in my opinion. This type of thinking got us to where we are today. I think there is unlimited energy available, and only limited imaginations.

[ldrancer]

this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyq8RZ6ULJE in that video, he talks about a weird thing, hapenning with pioneer or that hapenned. then, how nasa responded or didnt, wanting to not mess with it for einsteins theory and left it doign what it was .. already doing. they said they have to spin satellites to get them to stay up in space. confuses me, i wonder if all satellites spin in space. what about the new horizons? how did they film the planets as they go by? in a steady stream. all of them? all satellites? how about the space station?
seems pretty, good. it starts out alright i like it i get into it, then it seems a little, bit to me, that he gets back in on himself. i start to not understand the einstein e=mc stuff, and if you watch some of his other videos, look through his account. youll see he has other interesting titles of videos. but, im not for sure. i get confused, i dont or ever got the e=mc stuff and i think, he goes back in on himself some. that one video thou, is interesting at least i like the first 4or5 minutes or something of it.

[jettis]

@jettis,

Either you or Tom B. missed a point somewhere. Look at your drawing.
Motor 1 uses energy, on this we agree. There is 12V across it and there is a current flowing, roughly stated P (Watt) =V (Volt) I (Amp), and E (Joule) = P (Watt) t (sec).

Motor 2 gets its current from motor 1. Assuming they are all identical motors and identically loaded, all current from M1 goes to M2 and none is flowing into or out of the second battery stack. So we can remove this second battery stack without any change to the electrical system.

For the same reason all other battery stacks can be removed as they do not perform any function. Now, after having removed all redundancy, we can clearly see what is happening.
The 60V battery stack runs 5 12V motors in series.
Suppose 1 Amp flows, then 60V * 1 Amp = 60 Watts are spent from the batteries and every motor gets 12V * 1 A = 12 W. 5 motors taking 12 W, consume 5 * 12 W = 60 W.

Think again.



Ernst.

What would happen if you put a switches in the system? Look at Matt's dawning he put together, that was taken from my thread. What is your opinion of that circuit... I posted it below.
Is energy amplification or recycling possible?

-Dave Wing

[mbrownn]

...The trick is how to create a differential with less energy than it takes to equalize that differential.
For example: I can switch the flux of a powerful permanent magnet between two paths with far less energy than it takes to cut off the flow. You would think that a simple motor could be constructed with this principal (such as the Flynn motor claims to be). Not so easy! Yes you can switch the flux path, but unless you have a solid, continuous path (which is not the case where the armature is moving and not connected), the flux takes it's own sweet time about changing direction. It is a cascade effect, which happens very quickly in a solid path, but not so fast in a pathway with a variable permeability, such a motor gap. This causes all kinds of problems, since the faster the armature turns, the less effective the PM flux is.
These are the types of engineering hurdles we must solve in order to harness these energies. Theories are great, but a solid understanding of the nature of the energy, where it's coming from and how to tap into it is far more important.
The whole idea of the universe starting with "X" quanta of differentiated energy and slowly winding down to equilibrium is BS in my opinion. This type of thinking got us to where we are today. I think there is unlimited energy available, and only limited imaginations.

Correct, I totally agree.

Getting flux to gradually switch isn’t necesseraly a bad thing as it gives us a chance to cause current in a coil which we can use.

i get confused

Me too

Is energy amplification or recycling possible?

Both are possible, in your circuit you have recycling although there is a lot of losses in those caps. To get amplification you need an input from another source. This thread asks where is that source

[boguslaw]

energy amplification is only possible using coil or capacitor or (better) both

[mbrownn]

energy amplification is only possible using coil or capacitor or (better) both

Coil definitely, but im not sure about a capacitor. The problem is when we store energy in most capacitors, we loose half by the time we have drained it.

To me the only reason LC circuits work is because the coil provides double the energy back to the cap. Hit a suitable coil with a 1 joule pulse to charge the cap, the joule passes through the coil into the cap and inductive kickback provides another joule therefore 2 joules enter the cap. When we discharge that cap we find only one joule comes out so we had a 50% loss.

There are some circumstances where caps seam to self charge and that’s another phenomenon, but a significant amount of time is required for that to happen.

If we placed one joule into the coil during the pulse, where did the second joule in the inductive kickback come from? Its one of the oldest questions. In itself it is proof of another source of energy, well it is to me anyway.

Tesla liked to discharge coils into coils, there could be more to this than meets the eye. Maybe cascading coils into coils into more coils is worth looking at. I suspect that each successive coil would have to be double the inductance but have the same resistance, maybe even the same amount of copper in it too. How do we do that? The core

[mbrownn]

Just thinking about my last post reminded me of a recent video that I have seen. Some guy was putting energy into the low voltage side of a pole transformer. The high voltage side was connected to the high voltage side of a second pole transformer and he used the output of the low voltage side to power his loads which were claimed to be greater than his supply. Hmmm could there be something in this?

Is this a part of how Tesla's magnifying transmitter worked? Is this the magnification?

[Ernst]

What would happen if you put a switches in the system? Look at Matt's dawning he put together, that was taken from my thread. What is your opinion of that circuit... I posted it below.
Is energy amplification or recycling possible?

-Dave Wing

As long as the switches are open, no motor will run.
If you close the left most switch, M1 will very shortly run very fast (5x rated voltage).
The motor's impedance and the capacitor size determine how fast and how long it will run.
Then it will stop running when the first capacitor is charged to almost 60 V.
I do not know how you plan to switch but I do know this:
Energy can neither be created or destructed and therefore there will always be a constant amount. If you convert electrical energy into mechanical energy, then that energy is no longer in your electrical system, so it can not be recycled in that way.
But for the same reason, all energy can be called recycled energy.
If you recover the heat energy generated in the wiring and the mechanical energy then you can use that again.
Energy can not be "amplified" because that suggests that it would appear out of nowhere, or out of itself (as in 1 becomes 1 + 1). That simply will never happen.
If you want to generate energy, you require a source of energy. Next you will only generate what you obtain from your source. In other words you can only convert energy from one form into another.
All other schemes are illusionary.



Ernst.

[boguslaw]

Just thinking about my last post reminded me of a recent video that I have seen. Some guy was putting energy into the low voltage side of a pole transformer. The high voltage side was connected to the high voltage side of a second pole transformer and he used the output of the low voltage side to power his loads which were claimed to be greater than his supply. Hmmm could there be something in this?

Is this a part of how Tesla's magnifying transmitter worked? Is this the magnification?

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[Ernst]

Just thinking about my last post reminded me of a recent video that I have seen. Some guy was putting energy into the low voltage side of a pole transformer. The high voltage side was connected to the high voltage side of a second pole transformer and he used the output of the low voltage side to power his loads which were claimed to be greater than his supply. Hmmm could there be something in this?

Is this a part of how Tesla's magnifying transmitter worked? Is this the magnification?

I saw that one too.
The first question I ask myself is: Where could this energy come from? And as there seems to be no plausible source (that I can think of), I tend towards disbelieving. The fact that you can hook up 10 heaters and a circular saw, does not mean that every heater does indeed take up 1500 W. In fact, that is rather unlikely. Also you hear the sound of the saw change as they switch some loads on and off. This indicates that the saw is not running on full power.
Anyway, soon I hope to have my pole-pigs, and then I can verify that claim in a few minutes.



Ernst.

[Ted Ewert]

Just thinking about my last post reminded me of a recent video that I have seen. Some guy was putting energy into the low voltage side of a pole transformer. The high voltage side was connected to the high voltage side of a second pole transformer and he used the output of the low voltage side to power his loads which were claimed to be greater than his supply. Hmmm could there be something in this?

Is this a part of how Tesla's magnifying transmitter worked? Is this the magnification?

I've read numerous references stating that efficiency of a transformer rises with the amount of iron used. Not the ratio, or the configuration, but just the mere quantity of iron. I'll bet those pole Xformers have a lot of iron in 'em.
Another aspect of energy generation, which is often overlooked, is time "displacement". It seems one has to have a certain amount of time between stages, and some form of isolation in order for these devices to work. For example: the water pump driving the nozzle which turns the Pelton wheel on a generator which then powers the pump. Energy is converted, amplified, gathered and reconverted in a series of stages which take time. The isolation, and amplification is in the water, with pressure being converted to kinetic energy.
In a transformer you also have a time displacement between voltage and current, which may have a cascading effect through multiple units. Nature doesn't seem to like this one little bit and is apparently willing to dump a lot of energy into the system to make things right again. I smell a free lunch....

[Bob Smith]

I've read numerous references stating that efficiency of a transformer rises with the amount of iron used. Not the ratio, or the configuration, but just the mere quantity of iron. I'll bet those pole Xformers have a lot of iron in 'em.
Another aspect of energy generation, which is often overlooked, is time "displacement". It seems one has to have a certain amount of time between stages, and some form of isolation in order for these devices to work. For example: the water pump driving the nozzle which turns the Pelton wheel on a generator which then powers the pump. Energy is converted, amplified, gathered and reconverted in a series of stages which take time. The isolation, and amplification is in the water, with pressure being converted to kinetic energy.
In a transformer you also have a time displacement between voltage and current, which may have a cascading effect through multiple units. Nature doesn't seem to like this one little bit and is apparently willing to dump a lot of energy into the system to make things right again. I smell a free lunch....

Great insight! There are so many systems that bear this kind of multiple stage displacement. Perhaps this is an important key to understanding this puzzle. More to the item at hand, there is something about the process of stepping up, then down that seems to stimulate nature's desire to, as you say, "make things right." If we can identify the principles, in very concrete and replicable terms, that stimulate Mother Nature's abundant outpouring of electrical love, perhaps we can be onto something.
Bob

[mbrownn]

I saw that one too.
The first question I ask myself is: Where could this energy come from? And as there seems to be no plausible source (that I can think of), I tend towards disbelieving. The fact that you can hook up 10 heaters and a circular saw, does not mean that every heater does indeed take up 1500 W. In fact, that is rather unlikely. Also you hear the sound of the saw change as they switch some loads on and off. This indicates that the saw is not running on full power.
Anyway, soon I hope to have my pole-pigs, and then I can verify that claim in a few minutes.



Ernst.

I had come to the same conclusion as you when I saw the video but now I'm beginning to wonder. Think of what is happening.

1) When you pulse a transformer with DC, if the frequency is fast enough and the duration of the pulse is short enough, we get an AC output. (its not a sine wave AC but it is AC) One polarity of the AC is a direct transformer action and the second polarity is the inductive kickback.

2) This AC signal is fed into another coil on a second transformer.

3) Maybe the output of the first transformer and the coil on the second transformer act as a resonant circuit. Its like an LC circuit with one coil acting as L and the other acting as C and reversing when the polarity reverses. As there is no capacitor loss of 50% it may be possible that with each oscillation the power increases by as much as 2x. I'm just speculating here but hear me out,

4) This resonant circuit is also added to every cycle by the pulse

5) The oscillations in this circuit cause an AC current in the secondary transformer which we can feed to a load.

Assuming we had no losses that would be a potential COP of 4 or 1x2x2=4

Is this possible? have I missed something? or am I making a pole pig of my self?

I've read numerous references stating that efficiency of a transformer rises with the amount of iron used. Not the ratio, or the configuration, but just the mere quantity of iron. I'll bet those pole Xformers have a lot of iron in 'em.
Another aspect of energy generation, which is often overlooked, is time "displacement". It seems one has to have a certain amount of time between stages, and some form of isolation in order for these devices to work. For example: the water pump driving the nozzle which turns the Pelton wheel on a generator which then powers the pump. Energy is converted, amplified, gathered and reconverted in a series of stages which take time. The isolation, and amplification is in the water, with pressure being converted to kinetic energy.
In a transformer you also have a time displacement between voltage and current, which may have a cascading effect through multiple units. Nature doesn't seem to like this one little bit and is apparently willing to dump a lot of energy into the system to make things right again. I smell a free lunch....

I have no idea, but it would be nice if it were true.

Another thought on this, two transformers can be used like this to impedance match, to some degree the source does not see the load. Is it possible that the load will not drain all the power out of the resonant circuit? this has always been the problem when trying to use resonance to power a load.

I suppose we should get a couple of ignition coils or microwave transformers and see if there is something here. I suspect we will have to pulse at the resonant frequency of the secondary coils. I also suspect the secondary coils have to be low resistance, so that the energy is not lost to heat under ohms law, so that my make small transformers like I have suggested ineffective.

[boguslaw]

Nature reacts not only on energy but also on power! And reaction is frequently different ! So if somebody tell you that it doesn't matter if you release energy slowly or quickly, do not believe !
You can have almost COP=2 with simple transformer with iron/ferrite core ....

[Ted Ewert]

Another thought on this, two transformers can be used like this to impedance match, to some degree the source does not see the load. Is it possible that the load will not drain all the power out of the resonant circuit? this has always been the problem when trying to use resonance to power a load.

Impedance matching only optimizes power transfer. It does not isolate the load from the source.
Anything which is in resonance can only have a relatively small amount of energy withdrawn directly from the resonant circuit without screwing it up (in my experience).
Depending on the device, energy should instead be extracted indirectly. For example: A Milkovic double oscillator does not extract energy directly from the swinging pendulum. It rather extracts energy from the lever attached to the pendulum. It extracts energy at 90 degrees to the direction of the pendulum.
Pulsing a battery at its resonant frequency, or some harmonic, would be another case. The battery goes into resonance and better charging is a result. Energy is being extracted from the environment as a result of resonance, instead of from the circuit itself.
It can be tricky sometimes...