Where is the free energy?

[ldrancer]

no i mean, what is free? we all.. know what the idea, of free energy is. but whats free, as in free energy?

we know what energy is.. like heat from the sun.

whats free energy?

like the sun is free energy? we didnt do nothing to make it come on right?.. so it heats and its .. free?

yea but too bad we only get 12 hours a day of it right? right when you dont need it too, eh? haha.

but is that what you consider free energy? both, i think, free and energy are both wrong. if you look at that example. energy the sun. ok. but what about at night? then you have, no energy? is night no energy? we have no energy at night? the suns, hot so its free? is hot free then? is free hot? well alirghty then. i'll just reask you what is free. then you can ask what is free energy.

[wayne.ct]

Free Energy

It is hardly possible to give a definition of free energy that would be acceptable to more than some percent of the readers and contributors on this forum. One would surely find plenty of comments that contradict or give alternate definitions. My definition is quite simply MY definition and you will have to take it as it is.

When I pay my electric bill, the thing I most want in exchange for my money is the energy in the form of electricity. The power company is in the business of delivering ELECTRIC energy derived from coal, petroleum, gas or nuclear, I don't care which one or combination. The fact that I PAY means it is not FREE energy. The same applies if I buy batteries or hydrocarbons for my vehicle. I don't consider the price of the vehicle to be a factor in the price I pay for fuel. I consider those independent of each other. So, if I spend $100 on wire, magnets, ball bearings, etc. I have NOT spent money on energy. Then, if I harvest some energy from solar, wind or something else, and I do not PAY for the energy, that is FREE ENERGY to me.

The bottom line? If you can't logically separate the energy from the means of processing the energy, you will NEVER understand me when I talk about free energy. Also, if you make fun of me and call me a free energy nut, the problem is with YOU, not me. It is no different from solar or wind energy.

Now, if you do the solar or wind collection and SELL the energy to me, it is not free energy to me, only to you. But, if you sell windmills, we can all collect free energy as long as the wind blows.

The remaining element in this picture is to list all the sources of energy and see which ones offer the possibility of being free to the individual consumer. It should be the consumers' choice to buy energy or buy the means of collecting free energy. THAT is the question we should discuss.

Can nuclear energy be commoditized at the consumer level to offer free energy to the public? Not if we have to buy energy in the form of radioactive uranium pellets, etc. It won't happen for safety reasons. Many other ideas have been and are being made out of bounds because of stupid government rules and regulations. Etc. etc.

So, it seems to me the boundaries of the subject are rather well defined. What potential solutions fit within these boundaries?

To start, we should include solar and wind. After that, tidal power, wave power, hydrothermal are accessible to some people. The two that I am most interested in are the daily temperature difference between day and night and the electrostatic potential between earth and the atmosphere at elevation. I don't think anyone can argue that those two do not exist. The argument I hear against them is that they are too weak to make them worth trying to collect. Whatever!

Either support the free energy effort or get out of the way. That is what I think.

[Farmhand]

Sources of energy to harness. Feel Free to add to the list and to refine it.
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1) Solar - Voltaic - Thermal

2) Hydro - Hydro electric dam facilities - micro hydro electric devices

3) Thermal - Geo Thermal - Natural day/night temperature variations

4) Atmospheric - altitude potential difference

5) Vibration - By product of other human activities - Natural

6) Radio Waves - Electro Smog and Natural

7) Cosmic Rays - Tesla's radiant receiver type arrangements.

8) Biological - Bio-gas - Beasts of Burden.

Must be others as well.

[boguslaw]

Earth magnetic field

[ldrancer]

then all day, i get free energy from the sun. got you guys beat don't i? with my day, energy costs covered?

how do you harness magnetic field power ?

atomspheric, if I can't use it then i dont think that it can be made harnessable. you know me myself, being able, capable of using and harnessing that, ... globule.

[mbrownn]

Sources of energy to harness. Feel Free to add to the list and to refine it.
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1) Solar - Voltaic - Thermal

2) Hydro - Hydro electric dam facilities - micro hydro electric devices

3) Thermal - Geo Thermal - Natural day/night temperature variations

4) Atmospheric - altitude potential difference

5) Vibration - By product of other human activities - Natural

6) Radio Waves - Electro Smog and Natural

7) Cosmic Rays - Tesla's radiant receiver type arrangements.

8) Biological - Bio-gas - Beasts of Burden.

Must be others as well.

Yes, all sources of energy other than the fossil fuels, but what is driving them? To me it makes sense to tap into the primary driving force which must be colossal when we look at all the energetic things going on around us.

There must be something that is the source of it all. Aether is one answer but we cant detect it and have little idea how to take advantage of it if it does exist.

Electric Universe, again its unproven and it may be the same thing as the aether, but the way that this works is something we can understand. The tether experiment conducted by NASA showed that there is energy to be collected from a long wire, and a lot of it too. The question is was this energy coming from the earth’s magnetic field or something else?

If we can find some source of energy to drive our electrical system directly, we have a much better and ultimately cheaper system.

Thinking of the tether experiment, this is easy to replicate on earth on a smaller scale as there are many tall buildings and masts. Basically its the copper strip of a lightning conductor, all we have to do is find some method of regulating what comes out of it as it varies from very little to huge amounts of electrical power. Now have thousands of these across the planet rigged up to the grid. Yes this will collect man made energy as well as naturally occurring energy.

Most of us that have tried a long wire experiment did it horizontally even when we know that there is energy in a lightning conductor.

I believe that whatever it is that is producing the phenomenon in our coils could also have the same source as these natural energies we get in a long wire. We have detected it with our coils. Once we know what it is, it will be easier to tune them in to receive this power.

What is the "Free energy" is just as important as where. Putting an electrical device where a magnetic one would work will give uncomprehendable results if we did not know magnetism was the driving force and vice versa.

[wayne.ct]

Tether

The tether experiment is related to one of my interests. If you are interested also, we might share some ideas. My basic design goes like this. Construct a vertical receiving wire with the upper end about 10 yards above ground. At the lower end in series between it and earth ground 1. the primary of a transformer 2. a mechanical safety cutoff (in case of stormy weather) and 3. the AC end of a FWBR. Across the DC connections of the FWBR, connect an electronic switch driven by a 555 timer. The frequency of the timer should be in the 50 to 60 Hz range. The transformer should have multiple secondary windings. Each secondary is connected to a FWBR and the collected energy can be stored in capacitors or batteries as desired. Have fun with your free energy.

[thx1138]

1) Solar - Voltaic - Thermal

2) Hydro - Hydro electric dam facilities - micro hydro electric devices
I would rephrase this as gravity but it's a combination of gravity and solar because solar drives the weather that drives the water circulation cycle to feed the rivers that feed the hydroelectric generators.

3) Thermal - Geo Thermal - Natural day/night temperature variations

4) Atmospheric - altitude potential difference

5) Vibration - By product of other human activities - Natural -
This could be considered solar - weather again in the case of natural vibration or secondary in the case of human activities.

6) Radio Waves - Electro Smog and Natural
Secondary again and dependent on someone else's transmitter.

7) Cosmic Rays - Tesla's radiant receiver type arrangements.

8) Biological - Bio-gas - Beasts of Burden

9) Wind - but that could be considered solar - weather again.

10) Earth's magnetic field (boguslaw) - it's huge but it's low density.

11) Atomic - nuclear fission, fusion, LENR, RTG, etc

The problem with most of them is energy density. That's the problem with 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And anything weather related is inconsistent. It's the energy density that makes oil and gas and their derivatives so practical. Battery technology is coming along but that just changes the focus from petrochemicals to rare earth minerals.

If one is going to expend energy to retrieve energy it's necessary to retrieve more than is expended. I built a Tesla radiant energy collector and it worked but very weakly. I calculated I would need somewhere around 20 acres of elevated, insulated plate to power a single home at the elevation I was working at.

And that brings us around to goals. Is the goal to power a home or a neighborhood or a city? The larger the geographic area, the more important either location or transmission becomes.

Just my thoughts - energy density is the problem because you can't consume it faster than you collect it.

[mbrownn]

The tether experiment is related to one of my interests. If you are interested also, we might share some ideas. My basic design goes like this. Construct a vertical receiving wire with the upper end about 10 yards above ground. At the lower end in series between it and earth ground 1. the primary of a transformer 2. a mechanical safety cutoff (in case of stormy weather) and 3. the AC end of a FWBR. Across the DC connections of the FWBR, connect an electronic switch driven by a 555 timer. The frequency of the timer should be in the 50 to 60 Hz range. The transformer should have multiple secondary windings. Each secondary is connected to a FWBR and the collected energy can be stored in capacitors or batteries as desired. Have fun with your free energy.

Interesting because you have attempted to control what you collect with the 555 timer. I don't expect you will get a lot with 10 yards and only one wire. I was able to get 50v into a 63uF cap with a lightening conductor on a church in a matter of 20 mins or so. The copper strip had corroded away at ground level leaving the rest more or less intact. If the conductor had been isolated from the building I suspect the voltage could have been higher and would have charged faster. I guess the church was 50 to 60m high.
What sort of output do you get?
Have you looked at it on a scope?

[mbrownn]

1) Solar - Voltaic - Thermal

2) Hydro - Hydro electric dam facilities - micro hydro electric devices
I would rephrase this as gravity but it's a combination of gravity and solar because solar drives the weather that drives the water circulation cycle to feed the rivers that feed the hydroelectric generators.

3) Thermal - Geo Thermal - Natural day/night temperature variations

4) Atmospheric - altitude potential difference

5) Vibration - By product of other human activities - Natural -
This could be considered solar - weather again in the case of natural vibration or secondary in the case of human activities.

6) Radio Waves - Electro Smog and Natural
Secondary again and dependent on someone else's transmitter.

7) Cosmic Rays - Tesla's radiant receiver type arrangements.

8) Biological - Bio-gas - Beasts of Burden

9) Wind - but that could be considered solar - weather again.

10) Earth's magnetic field (boguslaw) - it's huge but it's low density.

11) Atomic - nuclear fission, fusion, LENR, RTG, etc

The problem with most of them is energy density. That's the problem with 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10. And anything weather related is inconsistent. It's the energy density that makes oil and gas and their derivatives so practical. Battery technology is coming along but that just changes the focus from petrochemicals to rare earth minerals.

If one is going to expend energy to retrieve energy it's necessary to retrieve more than is expended. I built a Tesla radiant energy collector and it worked but very weakly. I calculated I would need somewhere around 20 acres of elevated, insulated plate to power a single home at the elevation I was working at.

And that brings us around to goals. Is the goal to power a home or a neighborhood or a city? The larger the geographic area, the more important either location or transmission becomes.

Just my thoughts - energy density is the problem because you can't consume it faster than you collect it.

Yes energy density is the problem, I suspect our devices are a bit like putting a dip stick in a swimming pool, the only water we get is what remains on the dip stick when we pull it out. The energy is there but we are not good at making it flow. Using the swimming pool example, we need to make a syphon. If the electrical phenomenon has frequency our syphon (device) could operate between the crest and troughs of the waves but even this is only taking a tiny amount of energy out of a ripple. At the moment we are paying for that by pulsing to make the ripples.

[sadang]

There is no free energy anywhere, at least in the actual paradigm of thinking! And as it is now shaped the current world! The one possible could be zero-point energy, a kind of energy existent in a specific volume of space (that 99,99 "empty space" of Universe or atom). But this is until now only a pure theoretical energy. No one know how to tap this energy in efficient manner or quantity!

The concepts of "energy" and "free" at a deep analysis will be found to be just nonsenses, in absence of a prime mover. And according to my years of practice and readings this prime mover exists but not belong to the known world and its human interpreted rules. The understanding of this prime mover can be achieved studying philosophies of ancient Greeks, and others older than them.

But this understanding has no utility in the actual world, has no commercial applicability, because that prime mover is the same which make you be animate and alive, so any form of energy that can be taped from that "zero point energy field" or as Ken call it "dielectric inertial plane" or as Dollard call it "counter-space" or simple called "aether" have to be harmonized by your own energy or otherwise will destroy your own body functional harmony.

What has become evident to me, is like trying to get free energy experiencing exclusive in the current frame of electromagnetic and thermo-dynamic theory is a waste of time and prove a misunderstanding of the symmetry of this system of thought (or circular thinking) and of the concepts of energy and free.

Just my thoughts!

[TheoriaApophasis]

so any form of energy that can be taped from that "zero point energy field"!

the great impossible, the point and the line, neither one exists definitionally.


in greek the aoristos dyas, the 'indefinte attribute/dyad"




nobody can make a point without drawing a line (towards making a point)

likewise nobody can make a line without beginning at a point.


As such, there is a pointline, but no such thing as a point or a line.



by zero point we can only conclude and deduce retroductively that "zero point" is in reference to an unmanifest substrate, or inertia, by which all energy and extrapolation of field modalities originate.





The question then becomes, can we draw the right lines (device) by which we can cause a leak in the unmanifest inertia to manifest itself as force to be tapped (to power our toasters and TV sets)


can you rip a hole in the Ether and spring a leak?

all signs say no.

[Dog-One]

The question then becomes, can we draw the right lines (device) by which we can cause a leak in the unmanifest inertia to manifest itself as force to be tapped (to power our toasters and TV sets)

can you rip a hole in the Ether and spring a leak?

all signs say no.

Okay, lets look at it another way.

Can you borrow this inertia briefly, let it perform work then allow it to go back in a state similar as to how you found it?


But yes, there is more we may wish to consider first.

But this understanding has no utility in the actual world, has no commercial applicability, because that prime mover is the same which make you be animate and alive, so any form of energy that can be taped from that "zero point energy field" or as Ken call it "dielectric inertial plane" or as Dollard call it "counter-space" or simple called "aether" have to be harmonized by your own energy or otherwise will destroy your own body functional harmony.

This tapping of the zero point may have an unwanted side effect and I'm glad sadang mentioned it. I have considered for quite some time energy acquired by living creatures doesn't all come from what they consume materially. Ken knows that effects of magnetism can increase or decrease simple plant growth. So we know at the very least this inertia is a regulator.

What I'm getting at is if this inertia can be harnessed in a man-made fashion, doing so may quite literally suck the life right out of all living things. Be that the case, one can understand why there would be a concerted effort by those that may already know the answer to keep this research (search again) stifled.

It's been said, "It's not nice to mess with mother nature." There may be more truth to that then we realize.

[mbrownn]

Yes energy density is the problem, I suspect our devices are a bit like putting a dip stick in a swimming pool, the only water we get is what remains on the dip stick when we pull it out. The energy is there but we are not good at making it flow. Using the swimming pool example, we need to make a syphon. If the electrical phenomenon has frequency our syphon (device) could operate between the crest and troughs of the waves but even this is only taking a tiny amount of energy out of a ripple. At the moment we are paying for that by pulsing to make the ripples.

I have been thinking about what I posted here, in respect of the Electric universe theory. In that theory we have flowing current so all we have to do is tap into that current at two points on its path. If the resistance of our load between the two points is higher than the path itself we will have a dramatic drop in what we see in our load. If our load has way too much resistance then what we see will be feeble, which is exactly what we are getting.

This would suggest that we lower our resistance but to do so would require massive conductors that may be impractical. Having said that, if their is an oscillation in this current then our massive conductor needs only to be on the primary of a transformer, and the secondary could be of a reasonable size.

Before we can consider that as a possibility, we have to find out if we do have a flowing current and also find out if it does have frequency, but how would we test this?

I keep thinking about Earth Currents, by sticking two copper rods in the ground some distance apart we can detect a small voltage and a somewhat larger current (provided we have thick enough wire) which suggests DC or very very low frequency AC. just food for thought

Are earth currents generated by our rotating magnetic field or by a current flowing through the earth from an outside source?

[TheoriaApophasis]

Can you borrow this inertia briefly, let it perform work then allow it to go back in a state similar as to how you found it?
.

"let it perform"....... the inertia is like training a CAT, it licks itself and gives you that "F YOU" stare of indifference.


Too bad, the inertia is a cat, not a DOG.





thats where efforts are directed, .....like sticking a generator under a waterfall, and borrowing forces


you can borrow the forces, but the forces must be made to manifest from the inertia.


to cause the inertia to SPONTANEOUSLY manifest forces is the Unicorn everyone is looking for.


you just cant squeeze the water balloon anywhere and have your hands on the water


of course you can use the leaking water from a leaking balloon, but you cant grab the balloon and get anything.