Water Mist Ionizer Prototype 1.0

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Water Mist Ionizer Prototype 1.0
This device is my prototype “Water Mist Ionizer”
This is really a just for fun project, where the original intension was to use the water mister with added citronella for getting rid of Mozzies. But the project expanded. Now the intension is to ionise water mist for various purposes. It is mainly constructed of standard PVC pipe & fittings.

I’ve always had the impression that these cool water mist devices might have some alternative use? They’re pretty cheap these days. This shows only one unit, there will be three installed soon.


The water tank will have an auto fill function using a sensor switch and a small peristaltic pump from a larger reservoir. I may yet need to cut air intake holes.


This shows a standard 12V, 120mm fan installed on top to extract and blow the mist upwards. Only 5v supplied gives about the right speed.

[Sputins]

Ionizer section


This shows the next section, yet to be refined. Here is a Teflon tube, with 16 ‘root hairs’ made of 0.5mm nylon covered stainless steel cable. The high voltage supply from a voltage multiplier will be connected. (100,000V) Yet to determine if –HV or +HV (positive or negative ions) will be selected.


This shows shroud housing around the HV section, with a stainless steel cone on top. Another section to go on next is being formulated, not yet reviled.

Next post in a few days will show it working..

Has anyone built a similar device?

Any ideas what I could use it for?

Sputins

[dutchdivco]

Not sure,..

exactly what your going for?
Reminds me of a 'project' thats been sitting on my 'back-burner' for awhile, MAYBE similar?
I want to put a inverter on my vehicle, so I've got 120V AC, to supply current to an 'ioniser' which I intend to mount in the duct feeding the air filter in my vehicle.
First stage would be to SEE if this would cause any particulates, dust etc. to 'bond' to the ductwork, thereby eliminating the need for an air filter, while guaranteeing 'clean' IONISED air to the engine.
Next step would be to put water injection before the ioniser; that way the water SHOULD be converted to hydrogen and oxygen gas.
At least,...thats the idea.
Just eliminating the restriction from the air filter SHOULD give me slightly better perfomance, and if I can use the water injection as a 'boost', might increase performance, or reduce fuel consumption?

I THINK this is what you are trying to do; 'ionise' water mist to convert the water to hydrogen/oxygen gas,...right? Jim

[kEhYo77]

I wonder how ionized water mist would dissociate in Murakami plasma spark ignition in comparison to plain tap water mist.
Hmm... a bigger bang maybe?

kEhYo

[Sputins]

exactly what your going for?
Reminds me of a 'project' thats been sitting on my 'back-burner' for awhile, MAYBE similar?
I want to put a inverter on my vehicle, so I've got 120V AC, to supply current to an 'ioniser' which I intend to mount in the duct feeding the air filter in my vehicle.
First stage would be to SEE if this would cause any particulates, dust etc. to 'bond' to the ductwork, thereby eliminating the need for an air filter, while guaranteeing 'clean' IONISED air to the engine.
Next step would be to put water injection before the ioniser; that way the water SHOULD be converted to hydrogen and oxygen gas.
At least,...thats the idea.
Just eliminating the restriction from the air filter SHOULD give me slightly better perfomance, and if I can use the water injection as a 'boost', might increase performance, or reduce fuel consumption?

I THINK this is what you are trying to do; 'ionise' water mist to convert the water to hydrogen/oxygen gas,...right? Jim

I’m not entirely sure what it will be either hehe, it’s an open ended experiment... The concept is to ‘charge’ the water mist. Like the dielectric medium between capacitor plates, is the medium that holds/stores the charge, not the metal plates. Not really to disassociate the mist as such..
So then we have charged water mist. (The ‘mist’ being a combination of all the components that comprise both air and water. – Uses could vary from simulating (in a room) the fresh ionised smell and feeling after rain and a lightning storm, to an ‘automotive application’ or other?

The in this first instance the ionised section has the stainless steel wires charged with positive HV DC (ions) from a voltage multiplier. The inside of the shroud is at the moment just THE pvc plastic and see what happens. Then try negative HV DC (ions) and see. I may then line the inside of the pvc shroud with stainless steel as the other ‘plate’. The Teflon and root hair wires may yet be replaced with a single stainless steel tube also. So two concentric cylinders, one cylinder or root hairs will form one plate and another lining the shroud, forming the capacitor plates. The mist passes through them.

The root hairs or plates may then be energised with HV DC, positive and/or negative (ions). However it may be easier and simpler to make a small tesla coil to ionise this space, but that’s high frequency, (which passes through a capacitor). Although it does make ozone, so some of the oxygen component in the mist should converted to O3?
So if the dielectric medium, the water mist is to be charged, this is why the DC, in theory should work better?

What happens if I were to take charged water mist and strongly rotate and vortex it inside a suitable container? What if the charge mist was condensed again (on glass or similar and then you drank it or fed it to your plants)?
I’ve run it recently but need to re-do the HV supply circuit and I have a few leaks to fix too.

@Dutchdivco, you probably don’t need an inverter as such, just make your own ioniser device from an ignition coil(s) or similar.
I’m sure someone has tried ionising the air intake of their car? I’m not sure what effects this has, except some O2 would become O3 and the nitrogen might be affected too? Surely this has already been done and the effects documented somewhere?

[Wallywonka]

exactly what your going for?
Reminds me of a 'project' thats been sitting on my 'back-burner' for awhile, MAYBE similar?
I want to put a inverter on my vehicle, so I've got 120V AC, to supply current to an 'ioniser' which I intend to mount in the duct feeding the air filter in my vehicle.
First stage would be to SEE if this would cause any particulates, dust etc. to 'bond' to the ductwork, thereby eliminating the need for an air filter, while guaranteeing 'clean' IONISED air to the engine.
Next step would be to put water injection before the ioniser; that way the water SHOULD be converted to hydrogen and oxygen gas.
At least,...thats the idea.
Just eliminating the restriction from the air filter SHOULD give me slightly better perfomance, and if I can use the water injection as a 'boost', might increase performance, or reduce fuel consumption?

I THINK this is what you are trying to do; 'ionise' water mist to convert the water to hydrogen/oxygen gas,...right? Jim

You can run your car on the gas from your air conditioner.

[jtanguay]

You can run your car on the gas from your air conditioner.

Yes I believe r134a does contain propane or some type of hydrocarbon but only a small amount.

As for this setup it sounds great, but the electrodes will erode quite quickly. Depending on how you do it, you might end up creating ozone rather than ionizing the air, but that can still be beneficial. Remember that even simply ionizing the intake air will help better atomize the fuel as the opposite charges will better disperse and cling to the fuel.

Ionizing the fuel will help as well as it will reduce the molecule clusters. This should mean that it evaporates/atomizes extremely well. I have a water ionizer, but I paid too much for it to test it on gasoline as I would never trust it with my drinking water afterwards. As for the permanent magnet ionizers, I'm very skeptical but given the right orientation and the amount of fuel that passes by them (faster the better) it should ionize. The problem with this is that the fuel pump isn't always on, and fuel isn't always flowing. Once you reach 50 psi or so (depending on your make/model) the fuel pump shuts off. This is why I would like to see the conventional ionizer using electroplates. If the results from this experiment can be trusted, then perhaps the solution is even more simple than we thought?