A1Mo-Gen: Tesla's Gift "The Electromagnetic Reactor"

[HuntingRoss]

When you look at the images, you must remember those motors have 4 inputs when motoring. Dual comm motors have 4 brush sets/4 brush channel... A neg and positive brush set at every magnet, 5° past each magnet.

The key word is during MOTORING only

Can you see the south and north fields sharing the same armature legs now?


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Midaz

Mark I hope you paid attention to the areas where the coils "Max Density" is with Group Winds, post #54

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Before I comment on UFO's schematic above, I'll offer my opinion on the max density 'thing'.

The 'melt down' on his thread with regards to timing and the confusion it seems to cause some (maybe nearly all) people I think is mostly due to the consideration of two live comm segments together at the same time. I think Sam and Gary's comments about coils 'ramping up' to full field is probably correct to some degree.

I favoured the single comm connection idea to estimate the interaction path of one set of energised coils ie. time on brush...and with Sam and Gary's comments I am all the more convinced.

So I think post #54 maybe correct or not, but I think it is misleading. There is A LOT of real world things to consider in the actual operation of fast spinning machines...most of these things make the theoretical just that...a best guess.

Looking at the schematic at the top of the post. With all brushes energising their respective coils as you suggest. The poles firing south are trying to make the shaft 'north' and the coils firing north are trying to make the shaft 'south'.

That certainly doesn't sound like something that is without consequences...I just don't know what those consequences are.

However each coil group north or south does not share its poles with an opposite coil field so in that respect it is a good design in my opinion. Each coil group is using its field to repel out of the magnet area and attract into the next as the field collapses and therefore reinforces the rotation.

I know that in my north / south motor the coils are reinforcing each other. And that seemed like a good thing to do. The flik-flak of the coils from north to south every half turn is an unavoidable consequence of the single comm design. But I was willing to trade.

Good Hunting

mark

[Midaztouch]

When you look at the images, you must remember those motors have 4 inputs when motoring. Dual comm motors have 4 brush sets/4 brush channels... A neg and positive brush set at every magnet, 5° past each magnet.

The key word is during MOTORING only.

Can you see the south and north fields sharing the same armature legs now?
RPMs don't = usable torque

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Midaz

Mark I hope you paid attention to the areas where the coils' "Max Density/magnetic strength" is with Group Winds, post #54... You motor is a 12pole 2magnts also. Be careful!!

[HuntingRoss]

Take a look at posts #6, 53, 54 & 55....
The north magnetic field and the south magnetic field are sharing the same armature poles/legs when motoring.
That weakens the magnetic fields strength/torque some how. How can two opposing fields share an armature(s) without a conflict? That's one of the reasons why I have been very critical about most of the past designs and CADs.

I don't think I'm seeing what you're seeing.

The schematics are for all north coils which are projecting towards the magnets and the corresponding south fields are projecting towards the shaft. Unless that is the point you're making.

UFO makes this point :

Dual Commutator Machines generates a "One Way Flow" within rotating fields...this has long, very long implications that range from flux flows to electrical fields flow...besides no constant colliding of electrons/flux...

Of course I have no way of testing this because of my

constant personal failures on dual commutator machines...

Single comm bench results are very close to complete. I will then get my test pilot suited up and see how it works out prior to posting any figures.

Happy Hunting

mark

[Midaztouch]

When you say "these motors" what design / schematic are you looking at ?

I'm having a problem imagining the scenario.

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mark

Take a look at posts #6, 53, 54 & 55....
The north magnetic field and the south magnetic field are sharing the same armature poles/legs when motoring.
That weakens the magnetic fields strength/torque some how. How can two opposing fields share an armature(s) without a conflict? That's one of the reasons why I have been very critical about most of the past designs and CADs.

That what I want to avoid or minimize with the Singular Coils = A1MoGen


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Midaz

Mark, when your ready, post the CAD & info for you latest build.

[HuntingRoss]

So, we have the "Giant Pink Elephant" sitting in the middle of the room and it effects the torque of these motors directly Underload.

More people need to address/talk about this topic.... I don't want to assume/estimate incorrectly. What is the truth!?

When you say "these motors" what design / schematic are you looking at ?

I'm having a problem imagining the scenario.

Happy Hunting

mark

[Midaztouch]

My final conclusion for Sampojo's 10pole & 4 Magnet motor


8 out of 10 armature legs at full torque driving the motor, sounds great to me! IMO


Some of you my be surprised by my conclusion but, here's my thoughts...
[VIDEO]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zqw4gp3DlNc[/VIDEO]


Sampojo, you know what's best for you. Good luck with your motor!


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Midaz

Dadhav, feel free to comment.

[Midaztouch]

I'm not certain that I'm understanding the question fully. But as it is presented, I would say the stronger field would be diminished by the value of the weaker.

However it seems to be a design flaw to have the north field attracting on the south magnet with the south field repelling on the south magnet at the same time.

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mark

I'm not sure if it's true or not... But, Your impression/statement is what I thought. So, we have the "Giant Pink Elephant" sitting in the middle of the room and it effects the torque of these motors directly Underload.

More people need to address/talk about this topic.... I don't want to assume/estimate incorrectly. What is the truth!?


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Midaz

[HuntingRoss]

If a North facing field coil(on attract mode) and a South facing coil(on repel mode), are sharing the same armature pole...
Do they cancel eachother OUT leaving the armature pole/leg neutral or working together?

I'm not certain that I'm understanding the question fully. But as it is presented, I would say the stronger field would be diminished by the value of the weaker.

However it seems to be a design flaw to have the north field attracting on the south magnet with the south field repelling on the south magnet at the same time. With both coils on the same pole.

Hunting

mark


Edit: Remark in RED added. Otherwise my comment made perfect design sense.

[Midaztouch]

I have a major important question that everyone seems to be quite about or just ignoring.

If a North facing field coil(on attract mode) and a South facing coil(on repel mode), are sharing the same armature pole...
Do they cancel eachother OUT leaving the armature pole/leg neutral or working together?

I need clarification on this point.


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Midaz

[grounded]

mark, that petrol scooter sites pretty good. ive seen a few of those same motors on ebay, and was interested in one for a pedal bike trial.
theres a much bigger choice on that site tho, and the prices are a bit better.

shopping there, i guess your based in england too ?

[Midaztouch]

With respect grounded, all this proves is single comm can't do all north.

Happy Hunting

mark

Hi Mark


Yes Mark you are right. It's just the nature of you motor... You know that you have an excellent platform for testing designs and it's easy to work with! Have pride with your work. You doing a great job!

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Midaz

Grounded

[grounded]

i went full retard

[HuntingRoss]

ok, thats settled then, lol, dual comm is superior

With respect grounded, all this proves is single comm can't do all north.

Happy Hunting

mark

[grounded]

how do neodymium mags suit this design ?

could you possibly open up a motor, and sling the 4 ceramic horse shoe mags, and fit rectangular neo's in ? ... for more power ?

i heard a few people say you can get more power this way, but apparently they dont generate electricity as well as the ceramics ?

i dont know much about it tho, just what ive heard from a few people.

[grounded]

For all practical purposes there is no delay in the flow of electricity from one end of the coil to the other end. The wire is not like a pipe where you put water into one end and have to wait for it to get to the other end. It is more like a pipe that is already full of water. So as soon as you put water in one end it pushes water out of the other end.

ah ok. rapido then.

Your idea of winding a coil on the armature with one end being clockwise and the other end being counter clockwise will give a north pole on both sides when the proper polarity of voltage is applied. However, you failed to consider what happens when the armature rotates 180 degrees. Now the brushes will be supplying a voltage of the opposite polarity and so you would have south poles on both sides of the armature and the motor would try to reverse.

ah yeah, your right, i didnt take into account the end of the wind, is still up top, on the single comm. doh.

ok, thats settled then, lol, dual comm is superior