New permanent magnet motor video

[BroMikey]

Turion is right. There are some things that need to be considered in this configuration. I have built and experimented with many such tracks............................................ .................................................. ........................................ but I can configure it to not pull back after it gets to the end of the track. In this way it is truly self running. No need to push it past the gates entrance. It will exit more slowly but the speed and power at which it runs has enough inertia to overcome most of the stick point, as most call it.

Good Luck.


stealth

Hey Stealth

GOOD LUCK? Wait-A-Minute. What is your hurry? Who needs LUCK, we have you don't we?

I just knew someone had a set of working gates. What would a guy have to buy to do some proper testing? I have no rubber magnets unless you call the refrigerator door stripe magnets "RUBBER MAGNETS"


All I want is a self running motor Please Just kidding Stealth, I know this will take some effort.

If we could only have an experienced person give us a few pointers. I know many clues are peppered all over the world but they are hard to find

Then when you find them you don't know if they turned out to be dead ends.


Thanks Stealth, you have restored my hope for mankind

Mikey

[Stealth]

linear magnetic gate

I will try to help you with your magnetic gates. Through many hours of experimentation I have figured out what works and what doesn't. A magnet motor is the same as an electric motor, in that everything works at right angles. By studying the TOMI, you will clearly see that a linear magnetic motor has all magnets on one side facing north, while all magnets on the far side faces south. The corresponding rotor also has a N-S on each side. The rotor must be magnetized on the ends. As the rotor rolls or moves through the track where the stator magnets are arranged, they use a push/pull, on/off, same as an electric motor. At the end of the cycle you must reduce this magnetic push/pull so that the inertia will help move the rotor past the sticky point. This can be accomplished in one of two ways, use smaller magnets on the end, or move the magnets farther away from the rotor. I call mine the butterfly effect. With both ends curved out away from the rotor. This basically eliminates the effects of the magnetic gate. Also you can add a small piece of iron past the stator magnets to help reduce the magnetic effect on the rotor as it leaves the stator. As the last magnet is pulling back on the rotor, the iron is pulling in the opposite direction on the rotor and with expermentation, you can virtually negate any pull from the stator. I mostly use the rectangular ceramic magnets from Radio Shack for testing, although you will also need some round magnets if you want to build a rolling rotor. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Tomi

I will try to help you with your magnetic gates. Through many hours of experimentation I have figured out what works and what doesn't. A magnet motor is the same as an electric motor, in that everything works at right angles. By studying the TOMI, you will clearly see that a linear magnetic motor has all magnets on one side facing north, while all magnets on the far side faces south. The corresponding rotor also has a N-S on each side. The rotor must be magnetized on the ends. As the rotor rolls or moves through the track where the stator magnets are arranged, they use a push/pull, on/off, same as an electric motor. At the end of the cycle you must reduce this magnetic push/pull so that the inertia will help move the rotor past the sticky point. This can be accomplished in one of two ways, use smaller magnets on the end, or move the magnets farther away from the rotor. I call mine the butterfly effect. With both ends curved out away from the rotor. This basically eliminates the effects of the magnetic gate. Also you can add a small piece of iron past the stator magnets to help reduce the magnetic effect on the rotor as it leaves the stator. As the last magnet is pulling back on the rotor, the iron is pulling in the opposite direction on the rotor and with expermentation, you can virtually negate any pull from the stator. I mostly use the rectangular ceramic magnets from Radio Shack for testing, although you will also need some round magnets if you want to build a rolling rotor. Good Luck. stealth

"Theory"--"Of"--"Magnetic"--"Instability" Thus "TOMI" Gotcha

TOMI Build it


Now I know what's what, who has it goin on and who is dead in the water.

So study the TOMI Humm...




Is this a TOMI track? Or how does this diagram play into Howards work? I think some stuff on the web is a dead end.




I have played with magnets but don't know all of the terms.

I have one of those pancake washer motors with the magnet rotor? I am wondering about you essay on orientation of your setup.

Further way on both endsor a chuck of metal to pull fields overor magnets on the end out farther? You got me thinking.

Right angles for motorsHumm......Right angles from rotor to stator?

Do you have a basic diagram of that jewel? I got to see it to roll it around.

I mean I see a lot all over the world wide web but I am like a wandering blind man when it comes to pin pointing a visualization of your specific brain storm.

I don't doubt you can see it in your minds eye.

Thanks for the start Stealth, I am looking at TOMI stuff right now.

TOMI humm... To all good things there is a start.

What is your youtube handle so I can see it running

Mikey

[Stealth]

Sorry, but I don't post videos on you tube. Many of the videos on there are fake anyway. It is easy to make a video and dub it so to make it look real. I have built some of the motors that came off you tube and they didn't work, followed them to the letter, too. The two stator magnet sections have their poles straight up, one North and one south. The rotor poles are side to side towards the magnetic stator sections, therefore at a right angle, same as an electric motor. Put a steel plat under the stator magnets to concentrate their power. Put a divider (wood/metal), one third the thickness of each stator section between them. Here is what I consider to be the easiest magnet motor to build to date, works too. It will give you more insight into how magnets interact with each other. This is the Bedini magnet motor. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Bedini Magnet Motor?

Sorry, but I don't post videos on you tube. Many of the videos on there are fake anyway. It is easy to make a video and dub it so to make it look real. I have built some of the motors that came off you tube and they didn't work, followed them to the letter, too. The two stator magnet sections have their poles straight up, one North and one south. The rotor poles are side to side towards the magnetic stator sections, therefore at a right angle, same as an electric motor. Put a steel plat under the stator magnets to concentrate their power. Put a divider (wood/metal), one third the thickness of each stator section between them. Here is what I consider to be the easiest magnet motor to build to date, works too. It will give you more insight into how magnets interact with each other. This is the Bedini magnet motor. Good Luck. stealth

Wow. I never saw this at the ICEHOUSE. Is it really a John Bedini diagram? Or are you giving John some credit here?

This is too Kool. You mean all these decades have past and no one is showing this on YOUTUBE? I believe you are right Stealth with the disinformation groups sent out to confuse folks.

I am with you on the stuff posted in video form. And when some do post a working (At their house) they either can't speak English or can not teach.

Okay looking at this motor I have seen this picture on the web for years.

Not your drawing, I mean this drawing.

But when compared to your diagram we see that things are missing.

In your diagram it looks like to me that the handle object is a sort of counter balancing weight to promote the oscillation as magnets pass by.



Also the handle/balancing weight, I assume made of metal, performs a shielding task that allows the rotor magnet to approach it without repulsion.

Your diagram is more precise.



BRB everyone, we really need to give honor where honor is due. Thanks Stealth. I will be right back to rake this over the coals. This is what we have all been waiting for.

Mikey


Okay I am back Stealth

This is so simplewait or is it?

The handle looking thing is a shield, now I got it. It doesn't move. Okay now.

Put a divider (wood/metal), one third the thickness of each stator section between them.
Good Luck. stealth

Hum....... I got to have more time 1/3 thickness wood/metal

It looks like this forum is stuck Stealth. Everyone is saving this drawing. Thank you very much Stealth.

Also before I go look at this more I wanted to make sure it was alright to send this to all of my friends. I have this in a special place.

MikeyPS you are the man of the hour

[wayne.ct]

Understanding the magnetic "gate"

I think by now you've figured this out, Mike, but I want to add a bit of explanation for anyone else that may be still in the dark. Imagine some children sledding on the snow on the side of a hill. The sled wants to slide down the hill and just a "little" push at the top of the hill gets you started. From that point you could "go" forever if only you could cut down on the friction. The problem is that you continue adjusting the grade of the slope and waxing the runners, but there remains that pesky problem of getting back to the top of the slope to start again. The "ski lift" is the "gate" or "sticky spot" and you've got to put some energy in to get back to the top of the hill. The only escape from that may be the "twist" in the magnetic flux, but I have yet to see an actual build that gives me enough confidence to drop my "other" projects and try to construct a replication. If you go back far enough in this forum you will see that I tried to build a magnet motor. I was very excited about it at the time. But in the end I did not have good results so I stopped talking about it. With money and better construction technique, I might make a new attempt. But for now, I think I have a better idea and so I am concentrating on that.

[BroMikey]

I think by now you've figured this out, Mike, but I want to add a bit of explanation .................................................. ..............................

The only escape from that may be the "twist" in the magnetic flux


If you go back far enough in this forum you will see that I tried to build a magnet motor............................................. ............................

I did not have good results

Hi Wayne

I think many of us with a half hearted attempt has fudged a magnet motor or two it is time now to shift gears to positive results, let's focus on that.

Now if you felt that SOME of the data you had collected through testing was worth salvaging, by all means dig it up. I wouldn't have a clue where that data is.

It would be welcome I am sure. Many men having working units similar to what Stealth has shown but there always seems to be a missing part.

Maybe now we can all move out of our down cast junk room into high gear

Many young men would hoover a project such as this till they succeed. Let's not deny them this opportunity to be physically consumed by a worth wile device.

Run Rabbits run.

Mikey

[Turion]

The problem with this design is that there is nothing that says the roll of magnets will be pushed Up the hill rather than DOWN the hill from the first interaction between like magnets that repel.

[Stealth]

The four reference names say it all. It was designed with the help of Bearden, Johnson and Cole. Bedini built the motor and did the testing, as well as I remember. The arm is iron or steel which attracts the magnets, then at the point where it travels past the steel arm, the magnet behind the arm repels the magnetic rotor. The steel arm is fashioned in a way so that as the magnetic rotor approaches it, It comes closer and closer to the arm, therefore it moves along in the attraction mode until it enters the point where the magnet repels it. It doesn't show it, but I would guess that a device is in place to prevent the rotor from turning backwards. Also you could add more arms and magnets to make it a stronger motor. The only limit is size and space. I don't know the date at which it was released, but I am speculating in the 1980's. I think John made a reference as to its working continuously somewhere. Anyway it is straight forward simple. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Direction from stealth

The four reference names say it all. It was designed with the help of Bearden, Johnson and Cole. Bedini built the motor and did the testing, as well as I remember. The arm is iron or steel which attracts the magnets, then at the point where it travels past the steel arm, the magnet behind the arm repels the magnetic rotor. The steel arm is fashioned in a way so that as the magnetic rotor approaches it, It comes closer and closer to the arm, therefore it moves along in the attraction mode until it enters the point where the magnet repels it. It doesn't show it, but I would guess that a device is in place to prevent the rotor from turning backwards. Also you could add more arms and magnets to make it a stronger motor. The only limit is size and space. I don't know the date at which it was released, but I am speculating in the 1980's. I think John made a reference as to its working continuously somewhere. Anyway it is straight forward simple. Good Luck. stealth

Hi Stealth

I found a site where this information has been for some time now, I just never heard of this before now. I like John B and all of these other guys John learned from.

So you have our undivided attention. Sometimes I hear buzzing in the background but the air noise can be squelched.

Here is that site I should have found but just didn't.

Projects




Bedini advanced motor - 06/08/01


It is at THE ICEHOUSE

MOTOR DIAGRAMS AND LAB NOTES


PETER PEREGRIUS MOTOR


http://www.icehouse.net/john1/hamel.html

[BroMikey]

[QUOTE=Turion
The problem with this design is that .................................................. ........................[/QUOTE]

So did he (John) or didn't he make this run? I need a simple starting point.

You advanced men are light years ahead.

Mikey

[Stealth]

I heard he did make it run. The problem is it lacks many measurements and tolerances needed to replicate. What is the rotor made of? What diameter is the rotor? What is the stator arm made of? How long and wide is the arm/stator? What are the magnets made of, what size and what strength? What is the distance between rotor and stator? Does it run better horizontally or vertically? At what angle are the magnets attached to the rotor? This the real reason many of these can't be replicated easily. The diagram only shows the actual motor but not he dimensions. This is one of the easiest magnetic motor to understand, but even as simple as it its, there are many experiments that would be needed to get it running. Trials and errors are what makes these things exciting. When you experiment with these things you will learn far more than if I tell you all the details. When I first started doing magnetic experiments, I quickly learned that the information I needed wasn't available in ant form(pre internet). So, I took a year out of my building and just experimented with magnets, every configuration, all difference shapes, strengths, sizes, and materials. After that years experiments and documenting everything, I wrote a book with these experiments. Good Luck. stealth

[BroMikey]

Wrote a Book?

I heard he did make it run. .................................................. .. I took a year out of my building and just experimented with magnets, every configuration, all difference shapes, strengths, sizes, and materials.

After that years experiments and documenting everything, I wrote a book with these experiments. Good Luck. stealth

Yes I agree experiments can be time consuming and complicated so documenting questions and answers is important.

Thanks for the run down on what questions I should be answering.

I am very shallow when it comes to understanding magnet motors, other maybe very deep into this subject. When I think about testing magnets I think about iron dust as a means to view results as changes are made.

Did you ever use dust? Did you put any of your magnet sets on glass?

I have found many puzzling reactions within these experiments so I have wondered if most advanced researchers might be using some kind of visual tool.

When I get up to the Radio Shack or Wal-mart I see small ones, like donuts and some square. The kids lost some of them but the 11 year old loves these experiments.

If only I could advance his and my understanding. That is what it is all about.

Thanks Stealth. I saw that huge wheel outside the backyard of someones house and I still think about it often. I think it is a gravity wheel but it could be a magnetic motor as well as it is a gravity wheel.

Did YOU post that? I still can't get over that big wheel.

Mikey

[Turion]

A long time back, probably 10 years ago, I built a magnetic device that ran for several weeks, before I didn't have room for it anymore, and took it apart. I hadn't figured out how to get any usable work out of it, but now I can think of a couple ways. Picture a child's see-saw. It will tip back and forth because it has a pivot point in the middle. Whichever side is overbalanced will tip down until it hits the ground. When one end is on the ground it resembles a long ramp with a pivot point in the center.

I put magnets in repulsion along both sides of half of the ramp (see saw) so it forces a roll of magnets to move up the ramp past the center point. The see-saw will tip, and the roll of magnets will now roll down the other side. The weight of the magnets in the roll would cause this side of the see-saw to tip down, where it should now come into alignment with magnets along THIS side which will force it back up the hill and past the center point again in the opposite direction. The see-saw would tip back and forth as the roll of magnets went up and down. This up and down movement will move the ramp into and out of alignment with the magnets on the side, I actually had wheels on my roll of magnets, but not out at the end. I also had HO scale train track on my ramp.

You could connect at the center pivot point to do usable work. The heavier the roll of magnets, the more work it will do. If this were designed like the linear magnetic gates that have been shown here, each half would be in repulsion mode sending the magnets in the opposite direction. An advantage would be that you can have a big POWERFUL magnet on each end that sends the moving magnets back in the other direction.

Just an idea...I should mention that one flaw in the design was that as the ramp came down and the magnets that were in repulsion came closer to each other, it would often "lift" the wheels off the track. I never figured out a way around this, although now I can think of a couple.

Dave

[Stealth]

Your see-saw machine sounds familiar to one I designed several years ago, although mine was more like the drinking bird. With a magnet on the bottom and one on the top. Whenever the long lever(neck) would go up and down it would encounter the magnets at the end of each stroke causing the magnet on the lever to flip polarity, therefore sending it in the opposite direction. I also designed one to run on water with the same principle. Although I haven't built either one, I have run simulation on them and they should work as designed. The problem with this design is that it would take the better part of most peoples yard to build and run with enough energy to power a generator, or you could use a magneto like a windmill and produce power off the moving arm. Both of these designs should work great. I got frustrated with Radio Shack and started ordering my magnets. Seems they were always running out of them when I wanted to buy some. Good luck. stealth