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  • #61
    Here is the same circuit I am looking at showing you one possible
    connection path for the relay. As you adjust the pot (Variable resistor)
    you can set the maximum voltage ceiling for the out going.

    In this case a 50v SCR is used for controlling 12vdc.

    If you were controlling two 12vdc batteries in series equaling 24vdc
    the scr rating might need to be a 100 volt device and so on.

    In this drawing the relay stops the incoming power from reaching the
    other side. However in the case of an oscillator we can not do it that way.

    We must stop the oscillator itself.

    Last night I tested the max voltage my SSSG circuit could produce
    using a 400v cap rated at 1500uF and all I had to do to light the neon
    was tap the connection to turn it on.

    Instantly a voltage of 70 volts plus is reached with a single tap.

    One second of uncontrolled circuit operation is long enough to put
    my oscillator in the dump. In 3 seconds I stopped at over 200 volts.

    At 200vdc the voltage increase drops back or slows dramatically
    due to the device parameters (MJL4281A)

    So in doing this test I am learning.

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    • #62
      New update on mini Bedini Oscillator with mini cap
      dump to charge controller board. Coil platform is
      placed a good distance away from all iron such
      as the tin box or any screws. The heat sinks are
      1"-2" away from the copper coil and they
      are made of Aluminum.

      This new coil goes to 200 volts very quickly and
      I guess that is because the 6 litzed strands of
      21awg going to a single device, increases wire
      surface area.

      Fencers use this method.

      I go to 200 volts in 3-5 seconds even with a very
      small input of 12vdc @ 500ma.

      The Oscillator section is not shown, these devices
      are for the discharging circuit.

      More to come. One step at a time.











      Last edited by BroMikey; 04-13-2015, 09:23 AM.

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      • #63
        Simple Crowbar Circuit

        Originally posted by SkyWatcher View Post
        Hi all, Hi mike, do you or anyone have the cap dump circuit bedini is using in that video, thanks.
        peace love light

        I am progressing in building control circuits for my Sg Oscillator circuits.
        This is a voltage control circuit. Hi,Med,Low and OFF for
        OVER VOLTAGE PROTECTION.

        You need never fry your Oscillator boost circuits again when battery
        anomalies or connection problems arise.

        Enjoy the adventure and most of all share it.

        Mikey




        Here I use a "CROWBAR" circuit to trigger a relay but this same circuit
        might be used to trigger the base of a transistor whenever the set
        voltage is reached.

        Last edited by BroMikey; 07-14-2016, 07:21 PM.

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        • #64
          Hello

          I think there is no need for diode 6A10 in trigger circuit, it just drops voltage and heats,
          Maybe a capacitor instead, and a capacitor 1-10-100nF and resistor 1-10-40k
          in parallel with 1N4001. For such exercise scope would be almost a must.
          Just opinion, no experience in that circuit.

          Better not listen to me. Keep it simple.

          regards
          Last edited by padova; 04-29-2015, 03:44 PM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by padova View Post
            Hello

            I think there is no need for diode 6A10 in trigger circuit, it just drops voltage and heats,
            Maybe a capacitor instead, and a capacitor 1-10-100nF and resistor 1-10-40k
            in parallel with 1N4001. For such exercise scope would be almost a must.
            Just opinion, no experience in that circuit.

            Better not listen to me. Keep it simple.

            regards
            Thanks I can try it and if it works better, we will see. Positive triggering
            at the base is an age old practice starting back in the 1920's with the crystal radio's.

            There is no heating there but I had that big diode and stuck it in there, a 1N4007 would work too. Yes you are right about a tank circuit. The tank is there just further up in the diagram.

            On another note about the positive triggering diode and the tank in the triggering circuit of this SSSG Oscillator, I use a temp probe all of the time during testing and a scope or am radio to see and listen to the oscillations.

            The only time it becomes needed to have that cap shown in my circuit is when I go to GENMODE or if I reduce the power input so far down that
            the oscillator wants to stall.

            It should also be noted that this circuit can run power at levels like 40 volt input at 3 amps. Now I am running 14.5v input at 2.5 amps with no heating or oscillation faltering in all modes of operation.

            The coil is 6 power strands of 21awg all connected together 75 feet long of Litzed wire like Bedini winds them up. Only John uses 130feet or 100 feet.

            The trigger wire is 75 feet also of 25awg wire.

            The single transistor can handle all 6 strands all connected to it at the collector without any heating, running 20-90 watts.

            Thanks for the shout.

            Mikey

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            • #66
              Here I have connect the voltage control circuit directly to the Oscillator's
              power source. This will shut down the SSSG oscillator completely at which time the LED lights up. Any color LED to let you know the charge cycle has finished.

              And once these SCR devices have been engaged the only way to get it to work again is to hit the momentary reset button.


              Also always remember that when using GENMODE that the source battery voltage can not be higher than the charging battery set. This is why John Bedini is able to charge both the run and the charge batteries at the same time.

              If the run battery is slightly higher than the charge battery the energy will run down hill and equalize. However it is really fun to see a 12v battery charge a 12 volt battery in GENMODE because once the run battery drops alitle and the charge battery goes up a little they will climb together in voltage if tuning is done right.

              GENMODE is a form of pulsating current.

              Mikey





              Last edited by BroMikey; 04-30-2015, 08:24 PM.

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              • #67
                Here is my last control board circuit. No atmega's, no C code ++, no high tech
                super fast boards, no ardu's, just 9th grade level electronics for practical, indestructible circuit operation that is easy to build.

                Everybody wants it computerized except me.

                Very effective. Industrial grade.

                The charging levels for this layout are 600ma, 1200ma and 2400ma with
                circuit shutdown at 15.2v.

                That oscillator works with 60v input, 40v input, 28v input, 15v,12v,9v,5v

                Input up to 3amps for all voltages.

                Mikey


                Last edited by BroMikey; 04-30-2015, 08:25 PM.

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                • #68
                  Scr bt151-500r

                  This is circuit 2 ( Voltage Shutdown) and I have changed the SCR out to a non-sensitive gate type. The sensitive gate SCR that you can build with
                  is CR3CM and can be found on EBAY. For those who do not want to use a sensitive gate type SCR I have also used a BT151-500R (SCR)

                  The resistance values have changed and are all part of the change.

                  This part (SCR BT151-500R) is a 3 amp SCR and is more than enough
                  to get the job done, kicking the relay.

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                  • #69
                    Thanks for the circuits and others info.I've planning to build one Solid state Bedini style
                    oscillator charger. Any info is welcome.
                    I didn't want to disrespect your work in my previous post, sorry if I did that in any way.

                    regads

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by padova View Post
                      Thanks for the circuits and others info.I've planning to build one Solid state Bedini style
                      oscillator charger. Any info is welcome.
                      I didn't want to disrespect your work in my previous post, sorry if I did that in any way.

                      regads
                      No I didn't take it that way, enjoy the circuits, I do.

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                      • #71
                        I updated the diagram again for those who will be connecting
                        the circuit up to their Cap Dump. The powerful pulsing action
                        setup by a cap dump will tent to set off the shutdown circuit
                        prematurely. notice the simple addition of 2 caps and one
                        resistor inside the circle. This stops the problem of inaccurate
                        readings by the circuit. The first cap passes the energy through
                        the 39 bleed resistor to produce a 2 second delay to ensure
                        that battery voltage is truly reached before shutdown. Also
                        effecting power level changes in your circuit if you are going from
                        a 2 amp input to a 1amp input based on battery levels.

                        Last edited by BroMikey; 05-01-2015, 09:31 PM.

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                        • #72
                          Control Board updates

                          As you can see I am building circuits and hardware parts
                          from scratch such as the transformer. Cap Bank, multi power
                          voltages , snap switch over loads, cooling fans and heat sinks.

                          And for now I am doing circuit controls. So far I have only
                          built and shown circuits that operate without a capacitor
                          discharge bank and charging a 12volt battery up to 15.2volts
                          directly off the the SSSG oscillator.

                          Next I will move up to the 2 battery systems running a 24volt
                          charge off the SSSG up to 31volts.

                          After that the the changes for the addition of a capacitor discharge bank,
                          complete with simplified reverse voltage protection mosfets.

                          However before all of this I have built a high voltage shutdown tonight
                          for the Oscillator section.

                          Some of you might be wondering why am I jumping the gun
                          and building the circuit to charge caps with now?

                          The reason is because even though the SSSG may only be used
                          to direct charge a battery and this keeps the voltage far below
                          oscillator maximums, we must remember that battery plates
                          can break. If battery plates break the battery will still absorb
                          energy but at elevated voltages.

                          Sometime those voltages can reach over 100 volts. This is unsafe.

                          This crowbar control is tuned to give the relay 12-14 volts when
                          a 73volt over voltage is reached so the SSSG oscillator losses
                          power when the relay goes. I will update this one soon as it is
                          not complete.

                          No more toasty components.

                          Remember the beauty of this thread is that I am taking the
                          time to give you actual values for use with a specific device,
                          namely the Bedini Oscillator.

                          I realize 1000's of you have already employed these circuits
                          as standard procedure and may have better ways of doing this.

                          Yet when you look around the web, nothing compete is available.

                          Yeah, nothing available worldwide that is actual, complete working
                          circuits for the safety we all need using the SSSG and SSG.

                          Doesn't anybody find that strange? It is probably because no one
                          wants to take the time or figures it's every man for himself that
                          are schooled in the art.

                          In the early 70's as a 8th and 9th grader we built all of
                          these circuits and much more. We had complete TV sets strung out over the entire
                          length of the class room stretching some 40 feet shop counter top.

                          Complete Television sets built long hand using a slide rule without a single
                          555 time chip or any other chip for that matter.

                          Radio's with great big tubes.

                          I call it fun stuff, you just sit down, put yer thinkin cap on and
                          apply yourself, anybody can do that.





                          Last edited by BroMikey; 05-03-2015, 08:42 PM.

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                          • #73
                            battery charging

                            @ Bro Mikey, refreshing to see somebody designing simple easy and reliable circuits such as yourself... old school stuff. Compared with conventional charging methods how do you compare these oscillator pulse circuits from your own experience for sealed lead acid batteries. I have just been given 2 x 6volt 100AH sealed and will use them in series for a 12 volt system with 230v inverter.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Dupe View Post
                              @ Bro Mikey, refreshing to see somebody designing simple easy and reliable circuits such as yourself... old school stuff. Compared with conventional charging methods how do you compare these oscillator pulse circuits from your own experience for sealed lead acid batteries. I have just been given 2 x 6volt 100AH sealed and will use them in series for a 12 volt system with 230v inverter.

                              Thanks for the pat on the back, I love simple.. Well the best way to start is to feel your battery. If it is warm or medium warm
                              this is normal for conventional chargers. I would say that way my batteries
                              go up to about 13.9v - 14.2v and will got no higher on fast charge.

                              This battery is boiling and friction from heat is our enemy. If I stop and check the battery in 1hr, it will read 12.5v.

                              Mine sit at 13.3v and the difference from 12.5 up to 13.3 is 25 percent
                              more. Also your battery burns out the fluid in days, mine last all years without refilling.

                              Your plate will crust over with big hard crystals called sulfates, swell and crack the plates, because you did not,could not complete the charging
                              cycle by conventional means.

                              I can charge my clear acrylic cells that are 100lbs and watch them boil
                              up to a full voltage of 16v with zero heat. Stone cold.

                              My batteries are being charged with great care so I don't have to throw
                              them in the trash in a couple of years and suffer the AH loss from day
                              to day as the battery disintegrates internally from the forced fed friction.

                              Destructive Charging as I call it.Boil the battery, fry it, take it out and
                              smash it on the wall because I spent another pile of money for
                              a boat anchor.

                              The last time I charged a brand new set of scooter batteries using
                              conventional chargers they had goten low on fluid after 30 days
                              and when i got back to check them all 3 batteries (36v pack) were fused
                              together. Completely melted cases to each other.

                              I did every thing right and nothing worked so I gave up for 2 years on batteries. Then I heard about John Bedini

                              The rest is history.

                              Pulse circuits are the best. GenMode is warm current pulses.

                              SSG mode or spike mode is high voltage pulses/spikes that clean
                              and condition.

                              Capacitor discharging can be added for the best charging in the world.

                              You can shoot a battery with intermittent high energy discharges fast
                              charging the battery with no heat on a tiny input. A tiny input, less than half
                              of normal input levels call for.



                              Last edited by BroMikey; 05-03-2015, 08:40 PM.

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                              • #75
                                Here I have added a reed relay also know as an impulse relay,
                                to control the larger relay. This circuit shuts off the power
                                and when my power levels reach 500 watts I am going to
                                need it.

                                This is the update and all diagrams have been updated.

                                Also it is good to remember that this circuit is powered
                                directly off the source. As I begin to increase power
                                levels and voltages this circuit will run 15v to the relays
                                off the control voltage source that operates the 555
                                timer.

                                Last edited by BroMikey; 05-03-2015, 10:57 PM.

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