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**RAMSET** · 03-24-2015, 08:28 PM

Soup to nuts

here we have some recommendations on how to get your feet wet
in this field
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Here is a simpler method for those wanting to get started in ECAT type testing. A single heater is used, but a curve of input power vs. temperature should first be generated to "characterize" the heater and it's losses to the ambient air with a dummy fuel. Insulation may be used on the heater for greater efficiency and sensitivity (signal to noise).

Requirements are a Kill-A-Watt meter or equivalent on the input and a temperature meter capable of 1000 C or greater. A Variac would be helpful but an ordinary light dimmer can also control the input heating rate manually over a certain range.

The attachment shows a temperature controller maintaining the target temperature. Very inexpensive temperature controllers including K thermocouple probe and solid state relay can be had for around $20 USD on ebay.

100 240V Digital PID Temperature Controller Max 40A SSR K Thermocouple Probe | eBay

Ohmite B20 series resistors can be used as a heater if you lack Nichrome and Alumina tubes. I use 50 ohms for 120 volt line, size your resistor ohms according to your line voltage.

A Mastech dual temperature meter with USB data logging feature can also be purchased for $60 USD

Dual Channel USB Digital Thermometer Thermocouple K J T E R s N MASTECH MS6514 | eBay

This device comes with two "K" thermocouple probes included.

The whole project can be done for $50 to $100 USD, ($100 including powders)

Attached is a graph of expected temperature vs. power input for a heater in free air (no insulation and only Nickel powder for reference). You should generate your own characterization based on your specific heater. This chart was made in 25 Watt increments.

Why aren't more people doing these experiments?

Cautionary Note:
Here is presented information on a low cost high temperature tube furnace to be used by professionals on a budget that wish to get started in this field.
The methods involve dangerous temperatures and should be used with care and not by persons inexperienced in the use of such devices.
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below is a calibration graph which can be used to "check" for excess heat against the mentioned resistor .
any interested in joining these open source experiments please contact
ChetKremens@gmail.com

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**gene gene** · 03-25-2015, 05:40 PM

Hi Chet,

Thanks for including Alexander's name in the title, he seems to be disclosing freely all info.

Here is the BANG!!! (with blast shield video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDfRaDY2R_A

Watch at about 2min 30sec....

I may have to give this a try. I will spend some time studying your last post when time permits.

Will you be attempting to replicate?

Thanks, Gene

**RAMSET** · 03-25-2015, 07:28 PM

yes

Gene
yes there will be several replications going on, initial runs have started
already, however we are trying to sort Alexander's ceramic material
Also looking into ways to initiate some nano cracks in the Ni[possible MO for the effect], this needs more investigation too.

I will be adding more info here in the next few days [for replicators]

thanks for looking and commenting ,

Chet

**genessc** · 03-25-2015, 07:37 PM

Howdy,

Presumably the vessel needs to hold the pressure of the heated gasses within it yeah? Thats been the hold up for me on trying to replicate the athanor or the e-cat.

I have the nickel and tungsten powders on hand... have some heating elements as well... different formats.

I don't have a good container thats insulative and will retain the pressure that might be developed.

Also prolly need both a pressure guage and an adjustable pressure relief valve type setup in case something runs away so the pressure is let out instead of the vessel exploding...

Last I read it needed about 400watts input to the heater to get the reaction started, then it was outputting loads of heat... multiples over the 400watts used to start the reaction. I believe they were just using the heat to make steam and power that traditional cycle of electrical generation...

Good stuff!
Gene

Originally posted by RAMSET View Post

Gene
yes there will be several replications going on, initial runs have started
already, however we are trying to sort Alexander's ceramic material
Also looking into ways to initiate some nano cracks in the Ni[possible MO for the effect], this needs more investigation too.

I will be adding more info here in the next few days [for replicators]

thanks for looking and commenting ,

Chet

**RAMSET** · 03-25-2015, 11:42 PM

materials available

We have some supplies to share with replicators, and will most likely share some of the ceramic sealer when we decide which one is best for this application.[input welcome].

we are doing this around the globe, so all are welcome to participate.

thx
Chet K

**woopy** · 03-26-2015, 10:30 PM

Hi Chet

Yes it seems to be doable

I have ordered some gramms of nickel powder and Li AL H4

Will study a way to heat it up in an easily way. Perhaps an enamel furnace or someting so, in order to see if i can get the reaction.

Good luck to all

Laurent

**RAMSET** · 03-27-2015, 12:53 AM

Laurent ...good to see you experimenting with this!!

One method which shows the simplicity here

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on: 2015-03-26, 17:50:22 �

Todays test stand lashup consisted of the $18 REX C100 temperature controller driving a 150 Ohm ten watt resistor directly switching mains power to the resistor from the internal mechanical relay.

While the 150 Ohm ten watt resistor was adequate for these tests, in actuality a 20 Watt Ohmite would be used.

The "K" thermocouple was placed into the resistor hole.

Companion to the test is the Intertek power meter registering all necessary power parameters, including elapsed time and elapsed kWHr.

At 120 Volts line, this setup used about 103 Watts, about 1 Watt for the controller.

Nice thing about the Intertek is that it has high resolution of elapsed kWHr (to 1 WHr) as well as better resolution of other parameters over the P3 International Kill-A Watt meter.

With the 150 Ohm resistor, a bit over 900 C is possible, I was able to get to 1000 C. Probably 100 Ohms would be good for well over 1000 C (220 volt users, size the resistor appropriately). With a bit of insulation even better power to temperature ratio can be had. This test as shown was with the resistor uninsulated in free air.

With this small 10 Watt resistor, about one inch of the center portion glows evenly orange, outside and inside, suitable for a small test sample.

So for under $50 here is a test setup that will give reasonably accurate data for LENR ECAT type temperature testing.

With a setup such as this, you will be able to get a good comparison of a sample run against a control run.

I still need to derive the the best PID (proportional, integral, and differential) settings for optimum control with this particular heating rate.

A low cost $35 Thermocouple to USB converter can be added for computer logging, charting if desired, otherwise a lab book and pencil will suffice. You could also run the thermocouple signal to a paper strip chart recorder if one is available.

I'll leave it to others to search for a suitable low cost particle detection monitor to complete the "poor man's ECAT test"

Note: Real time, quantitative power generated by the active exothermic sample can be derived by noting the cutback wattage value as compared to the reference run wattage vaue for a given target temperature.

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more to come tomorrow

*NOTE
see also posts #17,#23, #27 ,#29 by "Vortex 1" here [more info on this simple method]

Andrea Rossi Vindicated? Cold Fusion Takes Another Step Towards Credibility

thanks for looking and commenting

respectfully

Chet K

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**RAMSET** · 03-27-2015, 10:41 PM

http://www.iccf19.com/program_abstract.html

Dr.Jones did Mention that Alexander Parkhomov is listed on next months roster
for iccf19 in Italy

ICCF 19 Conference

this should be a good conference indeed

**Yvonne Hanna** · 03-30-2015, 10:10 PM

I am wondering if many roads lead to Rome with regard to some technologies:

Lattice Energy LLC - Surprising Similarities between LENR Active Site?

**RAMSET** · 03-30-2015, 11:24 PM

Sir
Thank you for that intriguing link ,I am quite certain we will be finding many Flavors of LENR .
I suspect we are seeing a path to LENR here....Slapping Photons out of orbit and causing a 9000C biological sonoluminescent event

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKPrGxB1Kzc

respectfully

Chet K

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