I have disproven Time Dilation and Theory of Relativity

[johnnyfalcon]

If your twin travel 10 times the speed of light for and came back to earth after 20 years , you could see his flight trail/hologram or impression in the sky for years to come but he would return 20 years older no time dilation...only his blur in the sky would be present for a few years

[Ernst]

From the video at the end about the clocks..
The bouncing and moveing light beam has a slower time interval between bounces because it has to travel through more space than the traveling light beam, big deal this isnt proof because if two objects are travelling and one object encounters more inteference and has to take a detour as well then he will just get to his destination slower

What are you not getting thats so simple to see?

Anytime you take a longer path such as with the moveing bouncing light in the vid will mean it will take more time to go through its bouncing intervals. There is no slowing down of time from the stationary point of view .

Its like going to the toolbox and getting a basin wrench now if iask a kid to get my basin wrench it may take him 5 hours, his path is longer but his clock isnt moving slower

You sir are a clown you arent thinking , but just posting a vid saying heres the proof

Your last statement proves the theory of relativity: seen from your frame of reference I am a non-thinking clown and seen from my frame of reference you are.
We are both right, I am sure!
(is that a paradox? )


Ernst.

[BroMikey]

If your twin travel 10 times the speed of light for and came back to earth after 20 years , you could see his flight trail/hologram or impression in the sky for years to come but he would return 20 years older no time dilation...only his blur in the sky would be present for a few years

Now that hits home. Just like the UFO technology where a ship can move in the blink of an eye. Time travel. To us that UFO seems like it is two places.

Stick with the very short simple analogies they really grab ya For me it's better. Time travel has been taking place for quite some time now but each time a trip is made disruptions are caused, I hear.

Supposedly the STARGATE story has some basis.

Mikey

[Aaron]

light speed

Well then incresed inertia/resistance is like driving into wind blowing in the opposite direction right, so there for causing you car commute to take longer

Let me upscale my example, in a spaceship traveling and encountering increased inertia at high speeds where the ship is faster than light, the ship will always be far ahead in its trajectory than what is viewable. Lets say the ship is 10 years ahead on its flight trajectory than what we actually see. Because the ship is going much faster than light...

Viewing the ship from earth will never be accurate it will be 10 years behined the actual location. Doesnt mean The ship isnt aging slower. Time is still the same everywhere. The ship is just faster than what we perceive.

We can only see the ship 10 years behined its actual location. Again time hasnt changed because the ship is out running light

Actually no because the wind doesn't blow unless the ship is accelerating. If the ship stops, that wind isn't blowing - not the same analogy. The wind is still and you start moving and experience an "apparent wind" but not actual wind. Like I said, apparent density of the aether, not actual. The wind only exists relative to the one driving a car but for someone standing still, there is no wind.

I get what you're trying to say about the 10 year example, but I do not believe in faster than light travel, only extraluminal travel that has no resistance of the aether. Speed limit is light speed, but if we deflect the aether around us, we have no speed because we are not traveling a distance since traveling through space is required to travel a distance at a given speed...if we are not traveling through the aether, but deflecting the aether around us, we are no longer traveling through space.

We can already prove that we can do this with transmission on certain transmission networks for communication, etc...

By stating time is the same everywhere, that can only be true in a universe void of any mass whatsoever based on what we do know from experimental evidence and sensible theories.

What you're saying shows me that you are discounting any possibility of individual frames of reference when plenty of simple experiments prove otherwise.

[ldrancer]

seems that time and relative ity, are both, no time is i dont know, time, and relative, ity is disproven. to me.
time dilation is just a thing off of theory of relativity. time is also a relative and also included in some weird thing too. right?

[ldrancer]

wait, dilation. relativity. time relativity theory of relativity time dilation.

someone seperate these and show how theyre actualy different theories. I just dont think, i get time dilation but it seems to be totally hooked to these things. so, relative. ity, anything related besides in a theory type of way is false. a theory cant be based on relative, ity.

you can't have a theory of relativity

[Ernst]

From the video at the end about the clocks..
The bouncing and moveing light beam has a slower time interval between bounces because it has to travel through more space than the traveling light beam, big deal this isnt proof because if two objects are travelling and one object encounters more inteference and has to take a detour as well then he will just get to his destination slower

What are you not getting thats so simple to see?

Anytime you take a longer path such as with the moveing bouncing light in the vid will mean it will take more time to go through its bouncing intervals. There is no slowing down of time from the stationary point of view .

Its like going to the toolbox and getting a basin wrench now if iask a kid to get my basin wrench it may take him 5 hours, his path is longer but his clock isnt moving slower

You sir are a clown you arent thinking , but just posting a vid saying heres the proof.

Ok, one last attempt. Let's see if this registers.
For the traveller the light goes straight up and straight down, let's call this distance h (for height).
For a stationary person the light moves diagonally up and down which is a longer distance than just h.
1 - the speed of light is the same for both persons and
2 - a stationary person sees the light travel further than a travelling person
How are you going to explain these two simple facts shown in the video?

Go get your toolbox, kid, let's see what you can make of this.


Ernst.

[johnnyfalcon]

wait, dilation. relativity. time relativity theory of relativity time dilation.

someone seperate these and show how theyre actualy different theories. I just dont think, i get time dilation but it seems to be totally hooked to these things. so, relative. ity, anything related besides in a theory type of way is false. a theory cant be based on relative, ity.

you can't have a theory of relativity

its bullsheit thats why it wont make sense to anyone probing it with relentless thought.

[johnnyfalcon]

Inertia is the effect of an apparent increase in density of the aether relative to the object, which restricts movement, including the movement of light, all motion of the mass and therefore the flow of time has slowed down compared to someone standing still.

If car a1 is going 60 mph dring against a constant windgust of 40mph then it will have more inertia than car b2 going 60 mph against a constant windgus of 2mph

Light is still going at light speed however if light goes through some dense material then the light is having a longer distance to travel. Becuse it has to weave, refract reflect through that material, ... the light is ultimatly taking a longer path because of increased inertia/resistance so there for it will arrive slower

Time isnt slown down, light is having to take a detour when it encounters a path of resistance\inertia thus it takes the light longer to go from point a to point b

[johnnyfalcon]

Ok, one last attempt. Let's see if this registers.
For the traveller the light goes straight up and straight down, let's call this distance h (for height).
For a stationary person the light moves diagonally up and down which is a longer distance than just h.
1 - the speed of light is the same for both persons and
2 - a stationary person sees the light travel further than a travelling person
How are you going to explain these two simple facts shown in the video?

Go get your toolbox, kid, let's see what you can make of this.


Ernst.

what are you asking exactly i feel you ask this question in good spirit are you talking about the clocks and bouncing light beam in the video?

[johnnyfalcon]

Now that hits home. Just like the UFO technology where a ship can move in the blink of an eye. Time travel. To us that UFO seems like it is two places.

Stick with the very short simple analogies they really grab ya For me it's better. Time travel has been taking place for quite some time now but each time a trip is made disruptions are caused, I hear.

Supposedly the STARGATE story has some basis.

Mikey

[johnnyfalcon]

I get what you're trying to say about the 10 year example, but I do not believe in faster than light travel, only extraluminal travel that has no resistance of the aether. Speed limit is light speed, but if we deflect the aether around us, we have no speed because we are not traveling a distance since traveling through space is required to travel a distance at a given speed...if we are not traveling through the aether, but deflecting the aether around us, we are no longer traveling through space.

We can already prove that we can do this with transmission on certain transmission networks for communication, etc...

By stating time is the same everywhere, that can only be true in a universe void of any mass whatsoever based on what we do know from experimental evidence and sensible theories.

.

Mass doenst slow time , mass can bend light, matter can retard light thereby slowing the path of light because it isnt going in a straightline anymore.


Jupiter may bend light , jupiter is hence a form of resistance to light.... jupiter is in the way of lights normal straight path, light bends around jupiter. Light hence is taking the longway home. Therefore light may take 15 years to reach antarus with jupiter in the way.. if jupiter wasnt in the way it may only take 10 years to reach antarus

[aljhoa]

NASA conducts spin test on15-foot-wide saucer


Al

[johnnyfalcon]

NASA conducts spin test on15-foot-wide saucer


Al

That guy sure did talk alot about nothing in the firs ten minites i hope it gets better

[Ernst]

what are you asking exactly i feel you ask this question in good spirit are you talking about the clocks and bouncing light beam in the video?

Yes.
Now consider just one such clock.
At one moment the light reflects on the lower mirror. This moment I label "moment A".
There is only one "moment A", so it is a unique event. Everyone can witness this once in a lifetime "moment A".
From this moment, the light goes up, reflects on the upper mirror and comes back at the lower mirror. This return to the lower mirror I label "moment B".
Thus we have defined two unique events "moment A" and "moment B".
There can be no discussion on when these moments occur, because they are uniquely defined. Agreed?
Now the question is how much time passes between these two events?
It is a simple question, but the answer is not as straightforward.
I think you will have no problem with this:
Solution 1: the light goes up over a distance of h, then travels down over a distance of h so light travels a distance of 2h. This we divide by c (the speed of light) to get our answer: 2h/c.
Am I correct?
Then comes the hard part. Remember we are still talking about the same clock!
Solution 1 only applies if the clock does not move with respect to me, now suppose it does because, for example, I am in a (very fast) train passing by. Now I see the clock and its light pulse moving in the opposite direction that the train is moving.
So the light does not only go up and down, it now moves in a triangular path which is longer then 2h, maybe 2.2h. That gives us solution 2:
The light goes up over a distance of 1.1h, then travels down over a distance of 1.1h so light travels a distance of 2.2h. This we divide by c (the speed of light) to get our answer: 2.2h/c.

So the time between these uniquely defined moments depends on my state of motion relative to the clock.

What does your toolbox say about that?


Ernst.