Full use of motor driving coil two pole,Motor performance doubling

[Arthurs]

Hello everyone
This may be a simple low-level problem,
Our traditional normal pulse motor,Almost all of the structure of FIG 1 using.Drive coil is actually an electromagnet,When the motor is working,Drive coil will produce N, S two poles,But we are generally used only one pole,Magnetic poles of the rotor magnet drive coil interaction,So that the pulse motor rotor is rotated.

But: this configuration causes the drive coil of one magnetic pole which is idle。

In my view,In theory:
You can then add a coaxial rotor,Full use of the two poles of the drive coil,Let the drive coil two poles simultaneously on two rotors,This keeps the rotor speed or torque doubled.It is essential that:And the input power does not increase（Fig 2）.

But when I do a real experiment, Figure 3 and Figure 4.
The actual experimental results is not what I imagine,When using two coaxial rotors,Motor speed and torque did not increase,And use of one rotor when the effect is almost exactly the same.

My understanding is wrong?Or am I wrong experiment?
How we look?Welcome to your comment.

Yuan

[Matthew Jones]

Hello everyone
This may be a simple low-level problem,
Our traditional normal pulse motor,Almost all of the structure of FIG 1 using.Drive coil is actually an electromagnet,When the motor is working,Drive coil will produce N, S two poles,But we are generally used only one pole,Magnetic poles of the rotor magnet drive coil interaction,So that the pulse motor rotor is rotated.

But: this configuration causes the drive coil of one magnetic pole which is idle。

In my view,In theory:
You can then add a coaxial rotor,Full use of the two poles of the drive coil,Let the drive coil two poles simultaneously on two rotors,This keeps the rotor speed or torque doubled.It is essential that:And the input power does not increase（Fig 2）.

But when I do a real experiment, Figure 3 and Figure 4.
The actual experimental results is not what I imagine,When using two coaxial rotors,Motor speed and torque did not increase,And use of one rotor when the effect is almost exactly the same.

My understanding is wrong?Or am I wrong experiment?
How we look?Welcome to your comment.

Yuan

Its easy to explain, every motor of this type produces Back EMF. This is energy that is generated in the coil, of an opposite polarity that must be burned off prior to YOU charging the coil. The BEMF is the inhibitor. It stops the process of the coil accelerating or creating torque.
So with 1 rotor you get 1x the BEMF. 2 Rotors you get 2x the BEMF, for no net gain. 10 rotors and 9 coils same delima.

Answer:
Catch or remove BEMF before firing coil.

Matt

[erfinder]

Its easy to explain, every motor of this type produces Back EMF. This is energy that is generated in the coil, of an opposite polarity that must be burned off prior to YOU charging the coil. The BEMF is the inhibitor. It stops the process of the coil accelerating or creating torque.
So with 1 rotor you get 1x the BEMF. 2 Rotors you get 2x the BEMF, for no net gain. 10 rotors and 9 coils same delima.

Answer:
Catch or remove BEMF before firing coil.

Matt

There is also a third option, comprehend the induction mechanism, and then invert the induced. The inverted CEMF now aids the applied EMF.

In certain martial art practices, this idea is embodied in the statement "using your opponents strength against him".

In systems designed with this thinking at its core, the induced EMF rises till it equals the applied EMF, at which time the operator can witness consumption increasing with increasing RPM. For lack of a better way of putting it, the machine behaves as if it were broad band series resonant, that's how I would classify it, I am not classically trained so you can take what I say with a nice fat dash of salt.

Either way, if and when one were so inclined to do the investigation, one would find that there very specific and simple lessons we must take from both motors and generators.

Careful analysis of motors reveal that the applied magnetic fields are neutralized by induced magnetic fields.

Careful analysis of generators reveal that the induced magnetic fields oppose inducing magnetic inducing magnetic fields.

A more intense analysis of motors reveals that they don't exist, as the motor aspect is a reaction, an effect born out of setting up a potential difference across generator using an external voltage source. The shorting of that gradient on itself across some resistance gives us our so called magnetic poles. In reality (mine), the generator is the only thing that exists. A powered generator is a motor, a generator powering a load is a motor, here in this latter case, the torque operates in opposition to the prime mover. Torque and induced EMF are in this instance representing the same mechanism and are under certain conditions interchangeable.

Observing the motor and generator from their own sphere of dominance facilitates the inevitability of our being able to see them and experience them as ONE.

Imagine a machine which can generate potentials, potentials which move currents, currents which set up magnetic fields which do not operate in opposition to those which induced them. No motive force, positive nor negative manifest. Here we are considering for possibly the first time, the possibility that a potential can manifest independent of force. It doesn't take a degree to recognize that if this is true, and I am aware of one who shares this view, (all I need is one), that we can make the force appear where we want, independent of the potential.

Food for thought is all this is. Once the horse has been beaten to the point to where its substance in its entirety has been completely absorbed into the ground, its time to move on. This is where I find myself.


Regards

[Joit]

Hello everyone
This may be a simple low-level problem,
Our traditional normal pulse motor,Almost all of the structure of FIG 1 using.Drive coil is actually an electromagnet,When the motor is working,Drive coil will produce N, S two poles,But we are generally used only one pole,Magnetic poles of the rotor magnet drive coil interaction,So that the pulse motor rotor is rotated.

But: this configuration causes the drive coil of one magnetic pole which is idle。

In my view,In theory:
You can then add a coaxial rotor,Full use of the two poles of the drive coil,Let the drive coil two poles simultaneously on two rotors,This keeps the rotor speed or torque doubled.It is essential that:And the input power does not increase（Fig 2）.

But when I do a real experiment, Figure 3 and Figure 4.
The actual experimental results is not what I imagine,When using two coaxial rotors,Motor speed and torque did not increase,And use of one rotor when the effect is almost exactly the same.

My understanding is wrong?Or am I wrong experiment?
How we look?Welcome to your comment.

Yuan

Hello
It is because the Device allready runs at say 70%.
You create a Force at the coil what push/pull he rotor away.
This Force works on the rotor, and it doesnt matter if its divided on one Rotor or two.
The force what you create at the Coils is, say 0,1 horsepower.
So the 0.1 hp can work directly on the rotormagnet and it will not be more when its at 2 rotors

Or, compare it with, when you would drag one rotor with your hands or have 2 Rotors and drag them with your hands