Barbosa and Leal Devices - Info and Replication Details

[level]

as for all the DRAMA QUEENS I will just leave them alone and let them keep warbling and waddling in their own continuum of puke and they will eventually annihilate themselves with their own virus.

Hello Clarence. For the most part people have been very respectful in this thread, and any questions raised seem to be legitimate questions along the lines of trying to get a better understanding of your setup. That you somehow perceive people raising questions as something negative tells me that something just is not right here.

From your own brief descriptions of how your setup actually performs, which people here had to practically pry out of you with a crow bar, if you connect any load to your setup the battery starts running down, and it still seems very much in question whether the battery is really even charging when you remove the load, as the battery voltage apparently then only rises very slowly, which a 12V battery would likely do to some extent anyway even without the charger connected, once the load is disconnected. If the captor were pulling energy into the system, your battery should begin to charge up quickly once any load is disconnected.

That you would represent this as a 'working' device again indicates to me that something is just not right here. Frankly I have not seen anything much from what little info you have provided about how your setup is really performing to suggest over unity here. You seem much more interested in having people dote on you, and you become very annoyed if people don't just blindly accept everything you are saying without question. Another bad sign.

As much as I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt, at this point it really doesn't look like there is really much likelihood of your setup showing anything out of the ordinary. You already have 60 ground rods in place and your battery still starts running down when you connect a load to it. Adding 20 more ground rods may help to some extent, but it might not either. From your own description of the current state of your setup, it just does not appear that your setup can at all reasonably be described as 'working'. Sorry Clarence, but this really is what it seems to boil down to at this point.

[med.3012]

hi Clarence , hi to all ,

Thank you very much for sharing your achievement, your success will lead to more improvement in this field

respectful

[Forthebest]

Hitby is doing that in the Gerard Morin thread.

Thank you BroMikey for your answer . Very interesting stuff however I thought the experiment was still with 60 Hz but higher voltage for a Clarence setup...so will keep with Clarence replication as to respect this thread for now . Thanks again .

Best regards

[Fjohnnyb]

Some of the people seem to suggest that you have been getting your power
from the power company and not the ground. I wonder if they ever hear themselves.

Are you all going to call Clarence names? Say he didn't get the power from his system while the entire area had the mains pulled?

When are these disgusting nay sayers ever gonna believe?

You people who think Clarence gets his power by stealing it, go back and read where Clarence is the only man with power in his house while the hood
is turned off.

Where is your big mouths now? Where is the affirmative response?

Where are all of your heads at?

BroMikey

NO ONE here as far as I have seen is accusing Clarence of stealing electricity from anywhere. We are however wondering if it isn't coming from his own battery though. Especially after he explained how small that fridge really is that he runs off it. Suddenly the equations do make that possible. We are not mean or ignorant, we are curious.

NO ONE here is trying to tell Clarence that we don't believe him either. We are simply trying to discover for our selves how viable a device this is to spend the money on. I have built many devices and so have many others here. This place is full of scams and most of us are just trying to avoid being a sucker... again. Clarence expects us all just to take his word for it. The world does not work like that. We don't know him or his uncle or anyone related to him so just blindly trusting him without question would make us sheep. Bahhh!

I, for one, would love to ask him to please: 1. Disconnect the ground windings from the captor and run his device and tell us what happens. Or 2. To leave the windings on and connect the neutral and ground leads together and run his device and tell us what happened. And then 3. To just run his loads straight from the inverter and see what happens. Things we all would be doing if we were in possession of his device. Very simple tests that shows the difference between using the earth and not using it.

But no one here dares to ask him that because we know he (and you) will simply jump on us and say we are ignorant and uninterested. For some reason Clarence does not like doing tests.

I want to build this device, I would't be here if I wasn't interested. I'm sure all if us would love to. And if I get it working, well or not, I would be willing to test the hell out of it until this forum has had enough test results to decide for themselves whether to spend their hard earned dollars or not.

Since where I live we have intermittent power interruptions throughout the day I already have an good inverter, some serious deep cycle batteries and a serious battery charger on the way. In fact when I saw this thread I though it was pretty neat because I already have most of the big parts on the way regardless. Expanding to ground rods and some pre-wound torroids would not be too hard. So I'm not full of sh...drama and I don't think any of the other are either. I think you are and should take it easy.

Since Clarence won't do any tests I guess we have gotten everything from him that we need. No need to bother him with any more questions. I will do my own tests.

Peace

[dragon]

Repost of diagrams

I've had a multitude of requests to repost the circuit diagrams I deleted. I've decided to repost only these simple circuits for those interested in experimenting with ground energy. They can be constructed of simple components - hand wound coils on a ferrite core or simply grab a transformer with a center tapped low voltage output and a transistor. The ferrite should be 2000u or higher although most will work with varying degrees of success. I use Stormwise cores for ELF or ULF frequencies.

I have no intention of deterring Clarances discussion on the B&L build although I believe he's overlooked some key features from the patents. Clarence is a smart man and I know he will see it... descriptive words, quite often, don't paint the picture in one's mind the same as the individual explaining it - we have to get there on our own.

Below are the circuit diagrams...far left is the basic hartley circuit - you should start there. Once you achieve success in lighting an LED then you can move on to a more advanced circuit. The second one is a pump and it recycles the energy from each side. The third is a more descriptive diagram of the basic circuit for use in charging batteries or large capacitors. Far right shows that it can be used with an antenna similar to the original Tesla patent - the coils become the capacitor forming a charge displacement between earth and atmosphere.

You can run more than one circuit on the earth grounds - quite often there is a substantial current flowing between the rods but at ultra low voltages. When the transistor base sees a spike or difference between the base and emitter it will fire and the current will flow through the coils then imediately turn off causing a back rush which will continue firing the base. Similar to a ram pump. The second diagram shows how this can be kept going by using the output of one to fire the other and store the inrush in a cap between grounds. I've used a number of different transistors with good success and the only thing you need to look for is a low base threshold ( .25 to .3 volt ) and high amperage rating. I use the MJE18008 because of these features as well as their ability to handle up to 1000 volt spikes. These are quick, simple and cheap ( do with what you have ) - the only difficult part is getting the grounds right which sometimes takes a little time... don't expect to achieve success with a couple nails in the ground...

[Wistiti]

Thank you Dragon!
It is apreciated.

[dragon]

One to ponder...

This is for Clarence to ponder... others as well. I know you'll see it - I think your very close to opening the flood gates. I really had no intentions to build this but after re-reading the documents I decided to put together a small system using what I have based on the B&L theory.

[dielectric]

I've had a multitude of requests to repost the circuit diagrams I deleted. I've decided to repost only these simple circuits for those interested in experimenting with ground energy. They can be constructed of simple components - hand wound coils on a ferrite core or simply grab a transformer with a center tapped low voltage output and a transistor. The ferrite should be 2000u or higher although most will work with varying degrees of success. I use Stormwise cores for ELF or ULF frequencies.

I have no intention of deterring Clarances discussion on the B&L build although I believe he's overlooked some key features from the patents. Clarence is a smart man and I know he will see it... descriptive words, quite often, don't paint the picture in one's mind the same as the individual explaining it - we have to get there on our own.

Below are the circuit diagrams...far left is the basic hartley circuit - you should start there. Once you achieve success in lighting an LED then you can move on to a more advanced circuit. The second one is a pump and it recycles the energy from each side. The third is a more descriptive diagram of the basic circuit for use in charging batteries or large capacitors. Far right shows that it can be used with an antenna similar to the original Tesla patent - the coils become the capacitor forming a charge displacement between earth and atmosphere.

You can run more than one circuit on the earth grounds - quite often there is a substantial current flowing between the rods but at ultra low voltages. When the transistor base sees a spike or difference between the base and emitter it will fire and the current will flow through the coils then imediately turn off causing a back rush which will continue firing the base. Similar to a ram pump. The second diagram shows how this can be kept going by using the output of one to fire the other and store the inrush in a cap between grounds. I've used a number of different transistors with good success and the only thing you need to look for is a low base threshold ( .25 to .3 volt ) and high amperage rating. I use the MJE18008 because of these features as well as their ability to handle up to 1000 volt spikes. These are quick, simple and cheap ( do with what you have ) - the only difficult part is getting the grounds right which sometimes takes a little time... don't expect to achieve success with a couple nails in the ground...

Awesome thanks for the repost Dragon!

A quick question comes to mind, what do you recommend for grounding? How many rods, what depth, what material? I know this is entirely subjective to the person's location but having a baseline to start with would be good for everyone that wants to experiment with these circuits.

[dragon]

Patent # 690151 - also E.T.Jones earth antenna 1,372,658 is the one that started me in this direction years ago. Understanding Telluric currents helps as well.

[level]

Hello Dragon. That looks really interesting. I suspect there will be enough interest in those circuits you posted to start a thread on it. Maybe if people are interested, as many people do seem to be, someone can start a brand new thread here. Looks like there is lots to discuss and experiment with in relation to those circuits you posted. Like you, I don't want to see this thread get derailed too much either.

[Minsky]

Whats going on here?

@Clarence,
Awesome work. Just wanted to say your breakthrough and enterprise is appreciated and I look forward to your future builds.

If you feel the need to start a new thread for those who are looking to replicate your successful B&L build then do it. Don't let the detractors get you away.

@All.
There is a place and time for improvements to designs and experimentation. But the design shown by Clarence looks close to the B&L design and should be followed before attempting other designs.

Best of luck.

[dragon]

Hello Dragon. That looks really interesting. I suspect there will be enough interest in those circuits you posted to start a thread on it. Maybe if people are interested, as many people do seem to be, someone can start a brand new thread here. Looks like there is lots to discuss and experiment with in relation to those circuits you posted. Like you, I don't want to see this thread get derailed too much either.

Consider it an introduction to ground energy - learning about the earths potentials, a place to start learning about what Clarence is trying to accomplish. These circuits can be considered an earth energy detector. They are so stupid simple they really need no more discussion. Further discussion should be on connecting with the earth and ways to capitalize on what is there - the circuits mean nothing without knowledge of the actual source of energy, how to extract, manipulate and turn it into something useful.

[totoalas]

Thanks Dragon
OPENING THE FLOODGATE is the magic word
Clarence has contributed by his unit being discussed
as I have made mine from Neutral water pipe and utility ground the inverter application will be a good way to separate from the utilities
The circuit will charge up to 65 v dc a a cap in 5 to 10 sec and pulsing will do the trick,,,

[dragon]

This is for Clarence to ponder... others as well. I know you'll see it - I think your very close to opening the flood gates. I really had no intentions to build this but after re-reading the documents I decided to put together a small system using what I have based on the B&L theory.

This is the same as the patent drawing using Clarences toroid schematic to make the arrangement much clearer... the last piece of puzzel is getting the current loop and earth to form a ferroresonant connection...

[Fjohnnyb]

This is for Clarence to ponder... others as well. I know you'll see it - I think your very close to opening the flood gates. I really had no intentions to build this but after re-reading the documents I decided to put together a small system using what I have based on the B&L theory.

Dragon your post didn't reveal any hidden solution to me yet but it did get my mind running over the circuit and a certain "lightbulb" moment emerged that might explain why Clarence's battery is charging slowly. Even if it is not the only reason it most definitely plays a part.

The battery charger is constantly charging the batteries but from those same battery terminals goes the power needed to run the inverter. So even with no other loads the charging power from the battery charger is still shared between the battery and the inverter running the circuit. That means that with the device turned off and the charger plugged into the mains the charging will always be faster.

Another thing to consider is Lead Acid batteries do not charge nearly as fast as they can discharge. A possible solution could be using more and larger batteries causing the charger to push more amps. Or finding a way to ultimately cut the battery out of the loop once the system is running would be ideal. In one of B&L's videos they power their device with a big UPS and once the return current from their device kicks in the batteries are completely out of the loop.